The National League resolution vote

[jacobncfc]

Clear pattern from the step two clubs now. Those that want to carry on (Hungerford, Gloucester, Fylde et al) voting against resolution one. Those that want to null and void voting for it.

Shouldn’t matter if the NL clubs are pretty much all happy to vote for it. Becomes a problem if there’s 7 NL teams keen enough on null and void to try and force it via that route, I think.

 

[#Beebot]

Clear pattern from the step two clubs now. Those that want to carry on (Hungerford, Gloucester, Fylde et al) voting against resolution one. Those that want to null and void voting for it.

Shouldn’t matter if the NL clubs are pretty much all happy to vote for it. Becomes a problem if there’s 7 NL teams keen enough on null and void to try and force it via that route, I think.

That first list is a who's who of bankrolled teams. Dorking too.

 

[Atavistic]

Even King's Lynn Town, the National League club most vocally in favour of null and void (other than Dover, perhaps) have voted in favour of resolution 1, so it would be incredibly surprising if that did not pass and the leagues got their separate votes.

Their chairman also admits that he fully expects there won't be enough other clubs in the National League voting for null and void whether resolution 1 passes or not.

 

[Stocky]

Even King's Lynn Town, the National League club most vocally in favour of null and void (other than Dover, perhaps) have voted in favour of resolution 1, so it would be incredibly surprising if that did not pass and the leagues got their separate votes.

Their chairman also admits that he fully expects there won't be enough other clubs in the National League voting for null and void whether resolution 1 passes or not.

This is how I thought the scenario would play out tbh.

The vote is generally set up for Resolution 1 to pass as I read it. King's Lynn have gone for it even though they want Null and Void, you generally want control of your own destiny in these scenarios.

I think the National League will carry on, really not sure about North and South though. The issue of no relegation from NL is a potential problem to the intregrity and you can see the likes of Dover, King's Lynn throwing the competitve towel in so to speak. Not ideal but one of the divisions will have to absorb this lack of relegation. If N/S carried on it would be that step, if NL went void it would be EFL League Two. In my opinion the most vital step to carry on is the National League to keep the bridge from the EFL AND NL organisations. National League needs to muddle its way to the end.

 

[chipmunx]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357666134296850434

 

[Kenneth Dodd]

Very sad but it had to be done to ensure we can survive and be able to restart next season , interesting footnote Jono said on Twitter “ if ten teams wanted to play on in the North they should be allowed to form a mini league taking away all results against teams who have null and voided even if we are not involved.

 

[TonyM]

Very sad but it had to be done to ensure we can survive and be able to restart next season , interesting footnote Jono said on Twitter “ if ten teams wanted to play on in the North they should be allowed to form a mini league taking away all results against teams who have null and voided even if we are not involved.

That might make a mess at NL level if any 'mini league' was recognised for promotion, meaning relegation from the step 1. Still think the fairest method would be to roll forward games to next year rather than null and void these part seasons (but then also thought that last year rather than the folly that was campaigning for step 2 to be classed as elite)

 

[jacobncfc]

We’ve voted for resolution one and against two and four, as you’d expect.

 

[Kenneth Dodd]

That might make a mess at NL level if any 'mini league' was recognised for promotion, meaning relegation from the step 1. Still think the fairest method would be to roll forward games to next year rather than null and void these part seasons (but then also thought that last year rather than the folly that was campaigning for step 2 to be classed as elite)

It the National league plays on why shouldn’t the teams at the bottom be relegated if you are going to promote teams at the top, you went up last season on a rule change so why couldn’t you go down this year you still have lots of games left to pull things around.

 

[TonyM]

It the National league plays on why shouldn’t the teams at the bottom be relegated if you are going to promote teams at the top, you went up last season on a rule change so why couldn’t you go down this year you still have lots of games left to pull things around.

I wasn't saying step 1 teams shouldn't be relegated, just that the accepted thinking seems to be if step 2 does n&v this will mean no promotion/relegation between steps 1&2 this year (who would you promote?). I didn't think last years PPG at step 2 was the right decision then and certainly wouldn't be this year with so much of this season still to go. We are currently 'safe' but all sorts of scenarios if the NL continues and some clubs can't afford to field proper teams in the months ahead

 

[Chief Rocka]

As expected, we've voted For Resolution 1 and Against Resolution 2&4

 

[jacobncfc]

Sod it, let’s have some excitement with a running total.

National League:

Continue:
Hartlepool United (For R1)
Notts County (For R1)
Sutton United (For R1)

Altrincham, Maidenhead United, Solihull Moors, Chesterfield, Boreham Wood

Void:
King’s Lynn Town (For R1)

Abstain:
Wrexham

Dover Athletic

North:

Continue:
Gloucester City (Against R1)
AFC Fylde (? R1)

Brackley Town, York City, Boston United, Chorley

Void:
Curzon Ashton (? R1)
Telford United (For R1)
Bradford Park Avenue (For R1)
Darlington (? R1)
Chester (? R1)
Blyth Spartans (? R1)
Southport (For R1)
Spennymoor Town (? R1)
Kettering Town (? R1)
Farsley Celtic (? R1)

Gateshead, Guiseley, Alfreton Town


South:

Continue:
Hungerford Town (Against R1)
Dorking Wanderers (? R1)
Ebbsfleet United (Against R1)
Eastbourne Borough (Against R1)
Dartford (Against R1)
Chelmsford City (? R1)
Hemel Hempstead (? R1)
Concord Rangers (? R1)
Oxford City (? R1)
Havant and Waterlooville (Against R1)

St Albans City, Welling United

Void:
Bath City (For R1)
Slough Town (For R1)
Tonbridge Angels (For R1)
Dulwich Hamlet (? R1)
Chippenham Town (? R1)

Maidstone United

 

[GTFCfish]

We’ve voted for resolution one and against two and four, as you’d expect.

As expected, we've voted For Resolution 1 and Against Resolution 2&4

As a fan of a BELT* club to two others I can’t believe you’ve stitched us up like this, it means to stay up now we will have to actually win some games instead of staying up through the back door as we were hoping, shame on you both.












*Copyright ChrisFGR c 2016

 

[Chief Rocka]

Sod it, let’s have some excitement with a running total.

National League:

Continue:
Hartlepool Utd
Notts County

Void:
King’s Lynn Town

North:

Continue:
Gloucester City
AFC Fylde

Void:
Curzon Ashton
Telford United
Bradford Park Avenue
Darlington
Chester
Blyth Spartans
Southport
Spennymoor Town

South:

Continue:
Hungerford Town
Dorking Wanderers
Ebbsfleet United
Eastbourne Borough

Void:
Bath City
Slough Town
Tonbridge Angels

Excellent stuff, keep it updated Statto!

 

[Shrimper92]

Sod it, let’s have some excitement with a running total.

National League:

Continue:
Hartlepool United
Notts County
Sutton United

Void:
King’s Lynn Town

North:

Continue:
Gloucester City
AFC Fylde

Void:
Curzon Ashton
Telford United
Bradford Park Avenue
Darlington
Chester
Blyth Spartans
Southport
Spennymoor Town

South:

Continue:
Hungerford Town
Dorking Wanderers
Ebbsfleet United
Eastbourne Borough

Void:
Bath City
Slough Town
Tonbridge Angels

Possible to do one of these with Resolution 1?

 

[jacobncfc]

Possible to do one of these with Resolution 1?

Not really, not all clubs are saying. You can make an educated guess that step one clubs who want to continue will vote yes and vice versa, then the complete opposite at step two.

But King’s Lynn have kind of screwed that theory because they haven’t voted tactically and voted yes to resolution one anyway. If the NL clubs all do that, it’ll pass. Might be close if though if the south has a majority to carry on, which looks possible, and therefore a majority against resolution one.

 

[Shrimper92]

Not really, not all clubs are saying. You can make an educated guess that step one clubs who want to continue will vote yes and vice versa, then the complete opposite at step two.

But King’s Lynn have kind of screwed that theory because they haven’t voted tactically and voted yes to resolution one anyway. If the NL clubs all do that, it’ll pass. Might be close if though if the south has a majority to carry on, which looks possible, and therefore a majority against resolution one.

Olli Bayliss has some clubs that have said what way

Think 3 in each said they were voting for 1 so far from what I saa.

Hungerford and Eastbourne confirmed against. Eastbourne pro continuing

 

[jacobncfc]

Olli Bayliss has some clubs that have said what way

Think 3 in each said they were voting for 1 so far from what I saa.

Hungerford and Eastbourne confirmed against. Eastbourne pro continuing

Yeah, most are saying to be fair. I’ll add to the list where they have.

 

[JaredSUFC]

From The Boardroom 27 - Sutton United Football Club

All of the talk in National League circles this week has been dominated by the prospects for the League to be able to complete the season and the Resolutions that have been presented to member clubs to that effect, now that central assistance seems to be offered as loans in most cases rather...

www.suttonunited.net

We want the league to continue and have voted to let the individual divisions decide what to do

 

[Minstermen central]

Sod it, let’s have some excitement with a running total.

National League:

Continue:
Hartlepool United (For R1)
Notts County (For R1)
Sutton United (For R1)

Altrincham, Maidenhead United, Solihull Moors, Chesterfield, Boreham Wood

Void:
King’s Lynn Town (For R1)

Dover Athletic

North:

Continue:
Gloucester City (Against R1)
AFC Fylde (? R1)

Brackley Town, York City, Boston United, Chorley

Void:
Curzon Ashton (? R1)
Telford United (For R1)
Bradford Park Avenue (For R1)
Darlington (? R1)
Chester (? R1)
Blyth Spartans (? R1)
Southport (For R1)
Spennymoor Town (? R1)

Gateshead, Farsley Celtic, Kettering Town, Guiseley, Alfreton Town


South:

Continue:
Hungerford Town (Against R1)
Dorking Wanderers (? R1)
Ebbsfleet United (Against R1)
Eastbourne Borough (Against R1)

Dartford, St Albans City, Hemel Hempstead Town, Welling United

Void:
Bath City (For R1)
Slough Town (For R1)
Tonbridge Angels (For R1)

Maidstone United, Dulwich Hamlet, Chippenham Town

Can we get a transfer to south

 

[Stoney Ground]

Can we get a transfer to south

Wouldn’t make any difference Res 3 will N&V both

 

[jacobncfc]

Wouldn’t make any difference Res 3 will N&V both

Yup. Although I saw the Hungerford chairman suggest that he thinks the south ‘overwhelmingly’ wants to continue (only five null and voids). That seems unlikely, but would probably swing a majority vote over the two leagues. Dunno what’s happened with them, were one of the first to call for a suspension and vehemently against loans a few days ago, now one of the most vocal about the need to continue!?!

Indicative of the north being more heavily populated by traditional clubs with big fan bases, and the south more moneyed clubs less reliant on crowds, I guess?

 

[LongEatonPie]

Someone just posted on the National League fb that clubs refusing to play this weekend in league matches will be fined. Pfffft, do they just pull plans from a hat or something?!

 

[DarkSithLord]

Can we get a transfer to south

Shut your mouth. Seems (possibly) Alfreton might be trying to get the game on tomorrow should it beat the weather...

 

[Jerry]

Probably obvious how we voted but you'll never know as our club almost never make any public statements at all, except from the manager about the actual football.

 

[Fyldefan]

Sod it, let’s have some excitement with a running total.

National League:

Continue:
Hartlepool United (For R1)
Notts County (For R1)
Sutton United (For R1)

Altrincham, Maidenhead United, Solihull Moors, Chesterfield, Boreham Wood

Void:
King’s Lynn Town (For R1)

Dover Athletic

North:

Continue:
Gloucester City (Against R1)
AFC Fylde (? R1)

Brackley Town, York City, Boston United, Chorley

Void:
Curzon Ashton (? R1)
Telford United (For R1)
Bradford Park Avenue (For R1)
Darlington (? R1)
Chester (? R1)
Blyth Spartans (? R1)
Southport (For R1)
Spennymoor Town (? R1)

Gateshead, Farsley Celtic, Kettering Town, Guiseley, Alfreton Town


South:

Continue:
Hungerford Town (Against R1)
Dorking Wanderers (? R1)
Ebbsfleet United (Against R1)
Eastbourne Borough (Against R1)

Dartford, St Albans City, Hemel Hempstead Town, Welling United

Void:
Bath City (For R1)
Slough Town (For R1)
Tonbridge Angels (For R1)

Maidstone United, Dulwich Hamlet, Chippenham Town

damn right we want to continue. We got absolutely shafted last year. We need the season to carry on

 

[Ellis]

Someone just posted on the National League fb that clubs refusing to play this weekend in league matches will be fined. Pfffft, do they just pull plans from a hat or something?!

So they should be, the damage to the integrity of the league is so great if clubs can just decide they don’t want to play.

At the very least if the clubs are really are as broke as they state, furlough all your players and staff and just play the kids. I have to say, as one of the clubs which got shafted with the arbitrary £x per month banding the league did with the Camelot money it really does stick in the craw seeing the smaller clubs which are massively up for the first half of the season compared to previous seasons refusing to honour fixtures. They should be putting pressure on the NL to extend the suspension until the resolution(s) have been passed.

And from a wider point of view, if the NL or NLN/S is cancelled there should be a real investigation into how the NL board distributed those grants and whether it was effective use of public money to give to football teams who acted like the cat which got the cream and used it to inflate their budgets rather than using it as a lifeline. Grant money has in essence been spaffed up the wall.

What do the clubs think will happen in April when the furlough scheme closes. I don’t see it being extended again?

 

[Jerry]

At the very least if the clubs are really are as broke as they state, furlough all your players and staff and just play the kids.

That's what Billericay are doing.

Billericay Town to resume season with young line up this weekend

BILLERICAY Town have confirmed they will resume their National League South season on Saturday.

www.echo-news.co.uk

 

[Ellis]

That's what Billericay are doing.

Billericay Town to resume season with young line up this weekend

BILLERICAY Town have confirmed they will resume their National League South season on Saturday.

www.echo-news.co.uk

A sensible decision. Once again this is down to the incompetence of the NL really as the NLN/S suspension should be extended to the 28 day window they require by law or until all the clubs have voted.

I wonder if some clubs will leave it to the death given the fast moving nature of COVID and how successful our vaccine roll out is? It’s really not that unlikely that by April limited amounts of fans could be allowed to return once the 1st phase of vaccinations has been completed. Of course, the nation have given themselves Stockholm syndrome so I can see the appetite being to keep us under these restrictions for an eternity...

 

[jacobncfc]

Sod it, let’s have some excitement with a running total.

National League:

Continue:
Hartlepool United (For R1)
Notts County (For R1)
Sutton United (For R1)

Altrincham, Maidenhead United, Solihull Moors, Chesterfield, Boreham Wood

Void:
King’s Lynn Town (For R1)

Abstain:
Wrexham

Dover Athletic

North:

Continue:
Gloucester City (Against R1)
AFC Fylde (? R1)

Brackley Town, York City, Boston United, Chorley

Void:
Curzon Ashton (? R1)
Telford United (For R1)
Bradford Park Avenue (For R1)
Darlington (? R1)
Chester (? R1)
Blyth Spartans (? R1)
Southport (For R1)
Spennymoor Town (? R1)

Gateshead, Farsley Celtic, Kettering Town, Guiseley, Alfreton Town


South:

Continue:
Hungerford Town (Against R1)
Dorking Wanderers (? R1)
Ebbsfleet United (Against R1)
Eastbourne Borough (Against R1)
Dartford (Against R1)
Chelmsford City (? R1)
Hemel Hempstead (? R1)
Concord Rangers (? R1)

St Albans City, Welling United

Void:
Bath City (For R1)
Slough Town (For R1)
Tonbridge Angels (For R1)

Maidstone United, Dulwich Hamlet, Chippenham Town

Just updated. South is massively voting as play on, North massively voting null and void. Going to be awkward.