The National League resolution vote

[TheShayWay]

If the north and south finish but the national carries on, how would that work for relegation?

Surely you can't carry on with no relegation, brings the integrity of the competition into dispute with teams near the bottom not bothering, or what's to stop them Flatly refusing to play to save money if there is nothing to play for? And if forced to play, just playing weakened teams etc.

It's a farce. It's not just National league though. What's to stop league 2 teams doing the same.

Everyone should be on the same page because each league has a knock on effect to the next either up or down

However the National league season will carry on. The feeder leagues probably won't though.

What I don't get though is why these teams are not applying for Grants the very fact that these teams are asking for null and void is because they can't afford to take on loans but if they can prove they can't which their actions suggest they can why are they not applying for a grant.

 

[#Beebot]

Just updated. South is massively voting as play on, North massively voting null and void. Going to be awkward.

So 19-16 with 8 clubs not yet declared. Only 3 more needed for N&V

 

[#Beebot]

It's a farce. It's not just National league though. What's to stop league 2 teams doing the same.

Everyone should be on the same page because each league has a knock on effect to the next either up or down

However the National league season will carry on. The feeder leagues probably won't though.

What I don't get though is why these teams are not applying for Grants the very fact that these teams are asking for null and void is because they can't afford to take on loans but if they can prove they can't which their actions suggest they can why are they not applying for a grant.

Because they can afford loans, but it is not enough for them to accept some cost. It's zero cost or N&V.

 

[TheShayWay]

It’s late and my heads battered, but if you were a Step 2 club wanting to null and void, wouldn’t it be in your best interest to pass resolution 1 and then vote independently, division by division?

But don't those leagues only get 4 votes per regional league. So 8 in total. How do they decide who's vote matters and who's doesnt.
If they vote to include our league that's a mistake on their part as every club in this league gets a vote and I'm pretty sure more than 8 will want to carry on.

 

[jacobncfc]

So 19-16 with 8 clubs not yet declared. Only 3 more needed for N&V

If resolution one passes. If the four votes from the south go against it, only takes four NL teams (although you’d have expected KL to be one really).

Of the eight who haven’t indicated either way, you’ve got:

Kidderminster (Carry on?)
Leamington (No idea)
Hereford (No idea)
Oxford City (Carry on?)
Hampton and Richmond (Carry on?)
Havant (Carry on?)
Braintree (Void?)
Billericay (Void?)

Could be really close.

 

[Swedes]

damn right we want to continue. We got absolutely shafted last year. We need the season to carry on

But you wanted null and void last season when you were struggling?! No consistency from Dog Food Dave as per usual.

 

[dedwardp]

They should be putting pressure on the NL to extend the suspension until the resolution(s) have been passed.

Isn't that sort of what they are doing by refusing to play the games, that is them pressuring the league to extend the suspension? i.e. nothing has changed since the games were suspended a fortnight ago, so we won't resume until it does?

 

[Luke Imp]

I feel like jacobncfc is missing a Magic Wall like CNN had back in November.

 

[Fyldefan]

But you wanted null and void last season when you were struggling?! No consistency from Dog Food Dave as per usual.

Yes we did and that didn’t happen. The powers that be chose PPG and changed north and south to elite teams and included promotion from the north/south via playoffs. If this season ends now the same should apply or are we getting shafted again?

 

[Swedes]

Yes we did and that didn’t happen. The powers that be chose PPG and changed north and south to elite teams and included promotion from the north/south via playoffs. If this season ends now the same should apply or are we getting shafted again?

No team is coming out of this unscathed, everyone is getting shafted whatever the outcome, with the possible exception of any sides who actually get promoted if the league(s) carry on.

For what it's worth, if every side in the league had played at least 50% of their matches this season I'd have supported PPG. The fact that we've got to this stage and everything is in chaos suggests the season probably shouldn't have started in the first place, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[Luke Imp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357961979017777153

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357966543410384897

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357966545536835585

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357966547696910337

 

[jacobncfc]

Sod it, let’s have some excitement with a running total.

National League:

Continue:
Hartlepool United (For R1)
Notts County (For R1)
Sutton United (For R1)

Altrincham, Maidenhead United, Solihull Moors, Chesterfield, Boreham Wood

Void:
King’s Lynn Town (For R1)

Abstain:
Wrexham

Dover Athletic

North:

Continue:
Gloucester City (Against R1)
AFC Fylde (? R1)

Brackley Town, York City, Boston United, Chorley

Void:
Curzon Ashton (? R1)
Telford United (For R1)
Bradford Park Avenue (For R1)
Darlington (? R1)
Chester (? R1)
Blyth Spartans (? R1)
Southport (For R1)
Spennymoor Town (? R1)
Kettering Town (? R1)
Farsley Celtic (? R1)

Gateshead, Guiseley, Alfreton Town


South:

Continue:
Hungerford Town (Against R1)
Dorking Wanderers (? R1)
Ebbsfleet United (Against R1)
Eastbourne Borough (Against R1)
Dartford (Against R1)
Chelmsford City (? R1)
Hemel Hempstead (? R1)
Concord Rangers (? R1)
Oxford City (? R1)
Havant and Waterlooville (Against R1)

St Albans City, Welling United

Void:
Bath City (For R1)
Slough Town (For R1)
Tonbridge Angels (For R1)
Dulwich Hamlet (? R1)
Chippenham Town (? R1)

Maidstone United

Oxford City and Havant both wanting to play on in the south.

 

[Chief Rocka]

The South voting against Resolution 1 is making me concerned for Resolution 4, isn't that going to be a tight vote when it comes down to it?

 

[jacobncfc]

The South voting against Resolution 1 is making me concerned for Resolution 4, isn't that going to be a tight vote when it comes down to it?

I still reckon resolution one will pass, but the number of south clubs voting for the season to continue means there’s probably a majority overall IMO. You’re looking at minimum 18 now, maybe as many as 20 across the two divisions. Would only need 13-15 NL clubs to be in favour of continuing.

 

[valefan16]

Looking outside in there seems to be one major problem...

Let’s say the NL vote to carry on but Kings Lynn and Dover for instance and possibly a couple of others say null and void it... the KL chairman has pretty much said they can’t afford to carry on so they are either forced to play on taking on debt they can’t afford or refuse to play or play the youth team which completely takes away the integrity of the league (look at Weymouth getting walloped a few times with their kids a few years back).

Even if it carries on there is possibly some further twists to it.

Looks a mess and should of been sorted long before now.

Dover and Solihull have somehow got to fit 29 games in as well.

It’s a difficult one, every club has self interest at heart virtually and teams at the top will want to finish of course.

Same in the EFL last year sorting the end of that season out, Vale were a rare example going against self interest but Peterborough etc were more the norm.

 

[Chief Rocka]

You're not wrong with regards to integrity, but you could use the same argument for League 2, the bottom dwellers up there would basically cut costs and down tools if they knew there would be no relegation.

 

[valefan16]

You're not wrong with regards to integrity, but you could use the same argument for League 2, the bottom dwellers up there would basically cut costs and down tools if they knew there would be no relegation.

Based on what I’ve seen of the bottom 2, Southend pretty much have!

Just know Stevenage would stay up again mind.

 

[#Beebot]

Should clear one thing up - the NL are not powerless to sanction the step 2 clubs refusing to play.

They have the power, but are refusing to exercise it.

 

[Kenneth Dodd]

Should clear one thing up - the NL are not powerless to sanction the step 2 clubs refusing to play.

They have the power, but are refusing to exercise it.

Not suppressing thou considering it’s their complete and utter fuck up that’s caused all this mess we are in at the moment.

 

[Shrimper92]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1358082555749298176

Was one of the stumbling blocks

 

[#Beebot]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1358082555749298176

Was one of the stumbling blocks

Sadly there is a cohort of clubs that will not accept any additional cost. It isn't enough for them to just reduce it.

 

[Kenneth Dodd]

Sadly there is a cohort of clubs that will not accept any additional cost. It isn't enough for them to just reduce it.

Can’t speak for any other teams but if Chester had got the correct amount of funding from The original grant we could have seen the season out, we have not spent a penny on players since the squad was put together at the start of the season.

 

[Swedes]

1:54 - 8:22

Liam Watson not holding back when talking about the current situation and the National League board.

 

[CFC91]

1:54 - 8:22

Liam Watson not holding back when talking about the current situation and the National League board.

Very good interview that

 

[B2TF]

Looking outside in there seems to be one major problem...

Let’s say the NL vote to carry on but Kings Lynn and Dover for instance and possibly a couple of others say null and void it... the KL chairman has pretty much said they can’t afford to carry on so they are either forced to play on taking on debt they can’t afford or refuse to play or play the youth team which completely takes away the integrity of the league (look at Weymouth getting walloped a few times with their kids a few years back).

Even if it carries on there is possibly some further twists to it.

Looks a mess and should of been sorted long before now.

Dover and Solihull have somehow got to fit 29 games in as well.

It’s a difficult one, every club has self interest at heart virtually and teams at the top will want to finish of course.

Same in the EFL last year sorting the end of that season out, Vale were a rare example going against self interest but Peterborough etc were more the norm.

I predict the gates will be opened again at this level within the next 10 games..........

 

[GTFCfish]

You're not wrong with regards to integrity, but you could use the same argument for League 2, the bottom dwellers up there would basically cut costs and down tools if they knew there would be no relegation.

Our players downed tools in October.

 

[Chief Rocka]

From The Athletic:

A chairman of a National League club has estimated that around 15 of the 23 clubs in the top division want to keep playing - with #StockportCounty acting as what they describe as “the de facto whip”, rallying clubs to vote against the season being stopped.


Obviously third hand information and supposition, but anyone wanna take a stab at the 8 turncoats who hate football

 

[GTFCfish]

From The Athletic:

A chairman of a National League club has estimated that around 15 of the 23 clubs in the top division want to keep playing - Obviously third hand information and supposition, but anyone wanna take a stab at the 8 turncoats who hate football

Probably lower half relegation fodder so Chesterfield will be in there.

 

[Master D]

The bottom 8, clearly.

 

[ForzaCounty]

I see Parmenter has resigned from the clown fiesta board

No mea culpa from him, of course, just pointing the finger elsewhere