there's an election

[Captain Scumbag]

Was following a live feed of the results in Surrey earlier (fuck knows why as they were a TREMENDOUSLY BORING set of results with very little movement) but I was quite amused by how petty and embittered some of the defeated candidates appeared. Not sure that insulting the public you were vying to represent is THAT GOOD A LOOK.

There aren’t many things that would make local council elections even more TREMENDOUSLY BORING, but discouraging the no-marks from expressing the full extent of their sore loser bitterness is one of them.

Please think through the full implications of what you're saying, and reconsider.

 

[Captain Scumbag]

What's going on? Is this PP's alter ego?

Years of obstreperous troublemaking has finally caught up with the nation’s favourite pineapple. He is temporarily banned and thus reduced to using an alternative account he set up a few years ago (no doubt he anticipated his inevitable fall from grace).

Not before time, I'm sure you'll agree.

 

[Alty]

Years of obstreperous troublemaking has finally caught up with the nation’s favourite pineapple. He is temporarily banned and thus reduced to using an alternative account he set up a few years ago (no doubt he anticipated his inevitable fall from grace).

Not before time, I'm sure you'll agree.

Pineapple banned. Johnnytodd still here. Seems reasonable.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Pineapple banned. Johnnytodd still here. Seems reasonable.

Well, Mr Todd isn't still here in the politics section at least...

 

[Martino Knockavelli]

The Times is positing the 'UKIP as a gateway drug' theory. A lot of long-term Labour voters might have felt uncomfortable switching to the Tories but were more willing to give UKIP a shot. Now that they've broken the Labour voting habit and the Tories are actually getting on with Brexit, they're willing to vote Conservative.

Don't know if they have much data to back it up, but it sounds plausible. The majority of UKIP's vote at the last election came from people who weren't previously Tories. Although ex Tories did make up about 40% of it (and of course those voters look to have drifted back to the Tories in droves).

Alty ponders himself as an abstract political phenomenon and finds it "plausible".

 

[Alty]

Alty ponders himself as an abstract political phenomenon and finds it "plausible".

Except I wasn't a long-term Labour supporter. And I didn't vote UKIP in the last election. So yeah, apart from not fitting my recent history at all it applies to me perfectly.

 

[Martino Knockavelli]

Whatever helps you sleep at night, chap.

 

[Martino Quackavelli]

Whatever helps you sleep at night, chap.

Stamping a big 'REJECTED' on the visas of Syrian orphans imo.

 

[BeesKnees]

New poll
BluKip 46 (+4) Lab 31 (nc) LD 9 (-1)

 

[Benji]

Slightly concerned by the wrap around front-page adverts the Tories are using on local newspapers. A quite blatant attempt to masquerade as an endorsement to passers-by.

 

[Oeuf]

There aren’t many things that would make local council elections even more TREMENDOUSLY BORING, but discouraging the no-marks from expressing the full extent of their sore loser bitterness is one of them.

Please think through the full implications of what you're saying, and reconsider.

Oh, I don't really wish to dissuade them. Indeed, I would POSITIVELY ENCOURAGE just this sort of behaviour. I was greatly impressed by their complete lack of MAGNANAMITY

What's going on? Is this PP's alter ego?

Very much enjoyed the Domino's line.

Yes, I'm afraid THING ONE lost the plot a bit and THING TWO and THING THREE appear incapable of doing the obvious and reversing my banning so I am destined to roll across the forum as an egg for the forseeable. On the plus side, it has been pointed out that I now have a MARVELLOUS like : post ratio so it seems as though enforced exile can positively enhance one's standing. I'm basically NELSON MANDELA

 

[RavenBish]

I dislike Corbyn and think he's utterly incompetent and I voted Conservative in the last general election but even I am too uncomfortable with this potential BluKip majority to vote anything other than Labour in June.

 

[Red]

Slightly concerned by the wrap around front-page adverts the Tories are using on local newspapers. A quite blatant attempt to masquerade as an endorsement to passers-by.

This has happened in our local rag. It's called the Derbyshire Times and encompasses north and south Derbyshire. I'm pretty sure the south of the county is Toryland, but my town is a Labour stronghold.

 

[Red]

I'm getting increasingly concerned that May will win this GE by a landslide.

Brexit has muddied the waters in so many ways and I think it was astute of May to call the election.

I think UKIP are pretty much finshed now. Their surge in support over the last few years came predominantly from Euro sceptic Tories and confused people who had usually voted Labour in the past. UKIP's raison d 'etre was leaving the EU and now that is happening it looks like people who had previously voted for them no longer see the need to. Obviously the Euro sceptic Tories have returned to the Tory party, but it seems a worrying amount of people who voted Labour seem to have defected there too in the misplaced belief that May is striving for a Brexit that will benefit working class people. The fact that May will be free from EU legislation that protected workers is seemingly insignificant to these people so long as there won't be as many Johnny foreigners coming over here clogging up our health service, housing waiting lists and taking our jobs.

As for Labour ,they're in a mess for three reasons. First working class people are buying onto the media demonisation of him without even considering his policies, second the PLP have refused to back him, some even now and also in my view he's messing it up himself. His refusal to take part n the leadership debate is a big mistake. He complains that people are judging Labour on their policies and demonising him, yet he is spurning a great opportunity to get over his policies to millions of people who are undecided etc. I reckon the only way to stop the Tories is through an alliance, yet he is refusing to do this also. As much as I'd like to see JC as PM the reality is that it won't happen.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

 

[Aber gas]

The weird old weirdo is bringing back fox hunting. The only people who like fox hunting are Tories anyway ( apart from Hoey). Very strange thing to do.

 

[Aber gas]

I'm getting increasingly concerned that May will win this GE by a landslide.

Brexit has muddied the waters in so many ways and I think it was astute of May to call the election.

I think UKIP are pretty much finshed now. Their surge in support over the last few years came predominantly from Euro sceptic Tories and confused people who had usually voted Labour in the past. UKIP's raison d 'etre was leaving the EU and now that is happening it looks like people who had previously voted for them no longer see the need to. Obviously the Euro sceptic Tories have returned to the Tory party, but it seems a worrying amount of people who voted Labour seem to have defected there too in the misplaced belief that May is striving for a Brexit that will benefit working class people. The fact that May will be free from EU legislation that protected workers is seemingly insignificant to these people so long as there won't be as many Johnny foreigners coming over here clogging up our health service, housing waiting lists and taking our jobs.

As for Labour ,they're in a mess for three reasons. First working class people are buying onto the media demonisation of him without even considering his policies, second the PLP have refused to back him, some even now and also in my view he's messing it up himself. His refusal to take part n the leadership debate is a big mistake. He complains that people are judging Labour on their policies and demonising him, yet he is spurning a great opportunity to get over his policies to millions of people who are undecided etc. I reckon the only way to stop the Tories is through an alliance, yet he is refusing to do this also. As much as I'd like to see JC as PM the reality is that it won't happen.

Don't give up. The polls and right wing press are there to demoralise and defeat people. It's certainly not over.

 

[Blitzballer]

Fox hunting is barbaric. She can go fuck herself with that one

 

[Abertawe]

The dogs have fun though.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

It's a weird one. I'd imagine (might be wrong) that even amougst staunch Tories the active support for fox hunting is pretty low. I have a foot in both urban and rural environments, and far as I know it's just not seen as particularly relevant today. Even if it went to a vote in Parliament I'd be very surprised if it passed assuming a free vote.

Maybe that's the point, putting it to a free vote and seeing it fail will kill off what pro-fox hunting lobby there is left in the Tory party.

 

[smat]

Maybe that's the point, putting it to a free vote and seeing it fail will kill off what pro-fox hunting lobby there is left in the Tory party.

That's a good idea, worked with Brexit.

 

[mowgli]

Don't give up. The polls and right wing press are there to demoralise and defeat people. It's certainly not over.

Good to see you back posting again mate,i may not agree with your views but you put them across well.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Don't give up. The polls and right wing press are there to demoralise and defeat people. It's certainly not over.

Indeed, in a strange irony it's reminiscent of the Trump campaign in a sense, the repeated insistence of the media that Corbyn is incompetent, unable to lead, unfit to govern etc consistently rammed home, yet it ultimately did him no harm, it's only over if people lap it up.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Indeed, in a strange irony it's reminiscent of the Trump campaign in a sense, the repeated insistence of the media that Corbyn is incompetent, unable to lead, unfit to govern etc consistently rammed home, yet it ultimately did him no harm, it's only over if people lap it up.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are though.

Plus, Trump is/was incompetent. Thing is, USA have more left leaning media than us (with the obvious exception of Fox) shockingly.

Murdoch is in control of politics in this country it seems, he won the referendum, and he won the last 2 elections for the Tories. Unfortunately I feel he'll win this one too, much as non-brainwashed-sun-reading-morons like us are trying to change that.

 

[Krazy8]

Murdoch is in control of politics in this country it seems, he won the referendum, and he won the last 2 elections for the Tories. Unfortunately I feel he'll win this one too, much as non-brainwashed-sun-reading-morons like us are trying to change that.

 

[blade1889]

Unfortunately, a lot of people are though.

Plus, Trump is/was incompetent. Thing is, USA have more left leaning media than us (with the obvious exception of Fox) shockingly.

Murdoch is in control of politics in this country it seems, he won the referendum, and he won the last 2 elections for the Tories. Unfortunately I feel he'll win this one too, much as non-brainwashed-sun-reading-morons like us are trying to change that.

Do you not think casting people who 'believe' these stories (in parenthesis' to not get into an argument over whether they are true or false) as brainwashed is part of the problem? It comes across as very patronising without wanting to take counter views into account, if I were to be one of the 'brainwashed' the opposition telling me I was such would only seek to push me in the opposite direction...build a bigger divide between their views and mine to irreconcilable levels. This is a big problem when the 'brainwashed' already feel as though their views are being disregarded and are thus leaning towards anything anti-establishment they can, which, rightly or wrongly, is currently the Tories and their hard Brexit.

 

[Oeuf]

it's difficult to think of anything MORE establishment than the flippin' Conservative Party

why do people even like May? She's genuinely GHASTLY. I can only imagine they don't really know ANYTHING MUCH ABOUT HER. Strong and stable MY ARSE

 

[JaseTheVillain]

it's difficult to think of anything MORE establishment than the flippin' Conservative Party

why do people even like May? She's genuinely GHASTLY. I can only imagine they don't really know ANYTHING MUCH ABOUT HER. Strong and stable MY ARSE

This.

Though I do appreciate I could have made my point more eloquently.

 

[RavenBish]

demonising every tory leader has a bit of a diluting effect that does nothing but help them imo. People said the same shit about Cameron and he's far less offensive than May. I also don't think the NHS will all be privatised and schools will implode either but you read that shit on Twitter every day. It definitely helps someone sneak in and do some batshit stuff occasionally because people who vote conservative probably zone out from all the noise created daily by internet memes and your 1 million vice/buzzfeed journos (?) who get hysterical about everything.

I'm still pretending to have a social conscience and voting labour as it stands - my borough have binned the long-term Labour candidate and replaced him with Mr Socialist it seems though which given the area's demographic seems ill-advised - I also think Soubry's one of the least offensive Tory MPs out there (again, imo).

 

[Aber gas]

Do you not think casting people who 'believe' these stories (in parenthesis' to not get into an argument over whether they are true or false) as brainwashed is part of the problem? It comes across as very patronising without wanting to take counter views into account, if I were to be one of the 'brainwashed' the opposition telling me I was such would only seek to push me in the opposite direction...build a bigger divide between their views and mine to irreconcilable levels. This is a big problem when the 'brainwashed' already feel as though their views are being disregarded and are thus leaning towards anything anti-establishment they can, which, rightly or wrongly, is currently the Tories and their hard Brexit.

It's a difficult balance between debunking these sometimes ludicrous "articles" and opinion pieces and being patronising. Personally I believe that the hand has been overplayed by the BBC and the press. The stories are so ludicrous and the bias so obvious that people are being turned off by it. Perhaps the damage has been done but as Tony Benn probably sorta said ours is a perpetual struggle so toughen the fuck up and get on with It.