Welcome Burton Albion

[THE TERRACEMAN]

Good away day Burton.

Buzzing they've come up, survival just became a whole lot easier and not because of their budget, size etc.. But because Nigel Clough is useless and he did his best to fuck them up this season.

Just like he did when he first took the job almost 18 years ago ! If you can't see what an achievement this is for him back at the club where he first started then that is amazing. He has his way of doing things but it has always yielded success at Burton.

 

[gazbrewer]

Good away day Burton.

Buzzing they've come up, survival just became a whole lot easier and not because of their budget, size etc.. But because Nigel Clough is useless and he did his best to fuck them up this season.

Yep Clough F*s it up wherever he goes if you can call:
* Getting Burton promoted up 3 divisions
* More than halving Derby County's wage bill, yet still finishing higher in the league
* Getting Sheffield United to the play off final (first attempt), and fa cup semi-final in his year there
* For every single year he has been a manager the club he has been in charge of has finished higher in the league than the year before....
...if that's a F* up I hope he stays with Burton for a very long time!

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Just like he did when he first took the job almost 18 years ago ! If you can't see what an achievement this is for him back at the club where he first started then that is amazing. He has his way of doing things but it has always yielded success at Burton.

Mate you were a donny goal away from the play offs.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Yep Clough F*s it up wherever he goes if you can call:
* Getting Burton promoted up 3 divisions
* More than halving Derby County's wage bill, yet still finishing higher in the league
* Getting Sheffield United to the play off final (first attempt), and fa cup semi-final in his year there
* For every single year he has been a manager the club he has been in charge of has finished higher in the league than the year before....
...if that's a F* up I hope he stays with Burton for a very long time!

His first season in charge of derby he nearly relegated em, so wasn't hard to improve on the second season.

Sheff U fans on the whole haven't got a good word to say about Clough.

 

[Nuttall]

His first season in charge of derby he nearly relegated em, so wasn't hard to improve on the second season.

Sheff U fans on the whole haven't got a good word to say about Clough.

they're in a worse position since he left though tbf

 

[Rammy]

* For every single year he has been a manager the club he has been in charge of has finished higher in the league than the year before....

Except one year when we finished 19th after being 14th the season before.

However, fantastic achievement and can't wait to face my second favourite club in the league. Will be so weird, given I remember when Radio Derby started covering you in non-league, just because of Clough.

I wonder what they'll do for our two games in terms of coverage? Still have our commentary team on FM, and yours on AM?

 

[THE TERRACEMAN]

Mate you were a donny goal away from the play offs.

And your point is ?
Ifs buts and fine margins. Will be interesting to play you next season as you have another ex Albion manager in charge in Neil Warnock, other ex Albion managers who we will be coming up against are Gary Rowett and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink. Our chairmain Ben Robinson seems to be a pretty good judge of managers looking at that list, Nigel Clough included !

 

[Dayman]

Mate you were a donny goal away from the play offs.

If you'd have told me at the beginning of August that we'd be a Donny goal away from the play offs yesterday I'd have snatched your hand off. I think you need to look at a few more things as well that happened when Clough got appointed. Hasselbaink came back for our top scorer and best player and the money we got for him paid for the money we lost last season. Replacing a player like that in league one for a club with barely any money to spend is virtually impossible. I believe Clough also had a mandate to keep the squad small, again because of our finances. I've a feeling one of the reasons Jimmy went is because he knew he'd have to "trim the fat" and wouldn't be able to spend. Obviously, a move to a big club, bigger salary etc...were bigger factors but he'd have been limited in pushing us forward. The idea was to keep the club financially stable in league one. Promotion was always going to be a huge and unexpected bonus.

Look, I can appreciate why people don't rate him on the strength of our run in but I think you need to look a bit deeper. Personally I think he's performed a miracle getting us up but Jimmy undoubtedly set the groundwork for this season...but he wouldn't have done as well as he did last year without what Gary Rowett did for Burton Albion. He's the biggest factor (apart from the chairman) in our climb. Changed the club top to bottom. Such an under rated manager.

 

[Destruction]

Never been to Burton, heard good things about it as an away day though.

Land a few good loan players and who knows, it's not a given they will go straight back down.

I wish them all the best but they've limped over the line since JFH left, I'd be amazed if they finished as high as 23rd next year.

 

[SF_]

I wish them all the best but they've limped over the line since JFH left, I'd be amazed if they finished as high as 23rd next year.

They've been disappointing when i've seen them on TV but 37 goals conceded is great going.

Three lower than what we managed although we scored 22 more.

Wouldn't be shocked to see them do a Yeovil though.

 

[Rammy]

Clough is absolutely the perfect man to lead them next season (despite all my moaning about him). He kept us up despite the huge budget cuts, and led us to several tedious mediocre mid-table seasons. I'm sure Burton fans would be ecstatic if he could repeat that with very little money again. Obviously this is a litte more difficult mind.

Unfortunately for Clough, when he did have money he spent it on Conor Sammon which resulted in our board not trusting him with any more. Thus to take us forward, he was sacked and replaced with McClaren.

 

[SMH]

Agreed that Clough will do well by them next season. His style of management and football will suit them in the Championship. They won't be easy to beat and will scrap for every point. Still don't think they'll have enough to survive though.

I still can't quite believe we managed to make a profit on Conor Sammon, thanks Derby

 

[LondonOrn]

Fantastic achievement.

What a perfect model of how a football club should be run.

Well done.

Hmm, no offence and compared to Charlton they certainly are, but weren't people saying the same about Yeovil this time three years ago?

Of course it's a fantastic achievement and relegation would be no disgrace, but I'd honestly be amazed if they finish anything other than bottom. Only Rotherham, Huddersfield and Walsall if they go up look probable (rather than definite) relegation candidates, and the Championship gets tougher season after season (as someone said on another thread, it's became like the old first division) as proved by the gap between 21st and 22nd - Bristol City certainly found that out for themselves, and it was only really their brave if ruthless decision to sack the manager that got them up that saved them. They only scored 57 goals (same as Colchester and less than Shrewsbury) this season, and that ain't going to cut it at this level with teams that know how to break down defences.

 

[Bobbin']

Hmm, no offence and compared to Charlton they certainly are, but weren't people saying the same about Yeovil this time three years ago?

Of course it's a fantastic achievement and relegation would be no disgrace, but I'd honestly be amazed if they finish anything other than bottom. Only Rotherham, Huddersfield and Walsall if they go up look probable (rather than definite) relegation candidates, and the Championship gets tougher season after season (as someone said on another thread, it's became like the old first division) as proved by the gap between 21st and 22nd - Bristol City certainly found that out for themselves, and it was only really their brave if ruthless decision to sack the manager that got them up that saved them. They only scored 57 goals (same as Colchester and less than Shrewsbury) this season, and that ain't going to cut it at this level with teams that know how to break down defences.

Not sure what any of that has to do with my post?

Burton will obviously be favourites to be relegated but that doesn't take away the fact it's a fantastic achievement for them to even be there or how well run their club is.

If they are relegated, it won't have anything to do with being run poorly just the matter of not being able to compete and it currently being a step too far for a club of their size.

 

[LondonOrn]

Not sure what any of that has to do with my post?

Well, the fact I mentioned Yeovil, who went up three years ago, and then swiftly fell all the way to League 2 (and might have dropped out of the League altogether if they hadn't sacked Paul Sturrock mid-season).

The fact they had two proven and experienced managers at the helm who weren't able to arrest the decline proves that the problems there must have lied deeper than the manager. Of course time will tell if the same happens to Burton, but football is a notoriously fickle and unpredictable game, and we've seen more than numerous examples of managers and clubs who appear to be respectively the best and most well managed in the country who can seemingly do no wrong, and whose reputations then see a steep nosedive.

 

[Bobbin']

So I shouldn't say that they are a well run club incase they get relegated and nosedive back to L2?

I appreciate what you're saying but not really sure it applies to what I have said.

 

[Dayman]

Not sure what any of that has to do with my post?

Burton will obviously be favourites to be relegated but that doesn't take away the fact it's a fantastic achievement for them to even be there or how well run their club is.

If they are relegated, it won't have anything to do with being run poorly just the matter of not being able to compete and it currently being a step too far for a club of their size.

This.

We'll take on the championship on our own terms. Relegation isn't a certainty but it's incredibly likely. Ben Robinson has been either owner, chairman or on the board (I think...Terraceman will know better than me) for 41 years and so he'll make sure the priority is what happens to Burton Albion AFTER next season. He knows the dangers. He'll be well aware.

 

[MagpieBee]

Yeovil's promotion to the Championship had a lot more luck about it than Burton's has, sneaking into the playoffs on a ridiculous run and scoring with their only 2 shots in the play off final. From the outside, Burton's rise looks very calculated, and certainly they will have gone well past any of their estimations but they seem to have slowly built a very well run club, rather than a one off run of good form getting them up.

And if they get relegated this season, it won't be necessarily because they messed it up, it will be because the odds are stacked against them anyway.

 

[THE TERRACEMAN]

Well said MagpieBee !

 

[hodge]

At least that leaves only two relegation spots to avoid next year.

1 with Rotherham having somehow survived

 

[LondonOrn]

Actually, I take back my comments about Burton being relegation certainties. When Colchester went up to the Championship for the first time in their history, it was with no prolific strikers (scored 58 goals in total, only one more than Burton) and with a ground even smaller in capacity than Burton's, but after signing Jamie Cureton on a free, they had an amazing season with a phenomenal home record that saw them miss out on the play-offs only on the penultimate game. Most of the smaller newly promoted clubs to the Championship these days struggle, but given the number of upsets we've seen this season already, who knows what could happen?

 

[Depthcharge]

Is there any room on the roof or can we climb up any floodlights?

 

[Dayman]

Is there any room on the roof or can we climb up any floodlights?

Plenty of room on the rooves (roofs?)

*Note to chairman. Money saving/making idea. Get supporters to pay to sit on the roofs (rooves?), give them torches, get rid of floodlights.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

1 with Rotherham having somehow survived

You've fell for the myth (or you helped create it) that we're a bad side.

Take away Redfearn's woeful 21 game spell and we'd have finished mid table comfortably.

The players have always been there, Evans was starting to get em playing before he left (2 wins and a draw in last 3 games) and They were unbelieavable under Warnock.

Yeah we might struggle again but that's only if Warnock doesn't stay and the new appointment is a poor one, as the players we have are more than good enough to be nowhere near a relegation scrap.

 

[THE TERRACEMAN]

This.

We'll take on the championship on our own terms. Relegation isn't a certainty but it's incredibly likely. Ben Robinson has been either owner, chairman or on the board (I think...Terraceman will know better than me) for 41 years and so he'll make sure the priority is what happens to Burton Albion AFTER next season. He knows the dangers. He'll be well aware.

Absolutely bang on there Dayman !

 

[THE TERRACEMAN]

I gather our chairman stated on the local BBC news that there will be an expansion to the away end. I can't firm that up with any details but that would seem to be the most sensible way of doing things as it would also increase the number of seats available to our own supporters. Personably as my name suggests I am delighted I can still stand !

 

[JJH]

You've fell for the myth (or you helped create it) that we're a bad side.

Take away Redfearn's woeful 21 game spell and we'd have finished mid table comfortably.

The players have always been there, Evans was starting to get em playing before he left (2 wins and a draw in last 3 games) and They were unbelieavable under Warnock.

Yeah we might struggle again but that's only if Warnock doesn't stay and the new appointment is a poor one, as the players we have are more than good enough to be nowhere near a relegation scrap.

You could say the same about us under Cotterill, since he's been fucked off we've picked up the sixth most points in the league and you were saying that we disrespected the league by not signing players (not through lack of trying).

 

[JustinQPR]

Congratulations and welcome.

Good to see some new, well informed and level headed posters in here. Certain Wigan fans should take note!

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

You could say the same about us under Cotterill, since he's been fucked off we've picked up the sixth most points in the league and you were saying that we disrespected the league by not signing players (not through lack of trying).

You did.

It's no coincidence your form picked up after actually making signings, Tomlin, Matthews, Odemwinge, O'Donnell etc...

The fact you improved after changing your lineup from the one you got promoted with proved my point.

 

[Ciderup]

You did.

It's no coincidence your form picked up after actually making signings, Tomlin, Matthews, Odemwinge, O'Donnell etc...

The fact you improved after changing your lineup from the one you got promoted with proved my point.

It wasn't through the lack of trying though bud. Unrealistic targets maybe but we certainly did try to sign additional players. I don't see that being 'disrespectful to the league' WTGR.