12th Feb Games

[Master D]

Be some red faces on here after viewing that.

Good tackle and not even a foul, just unfortunate he's been injured off it.

 

[We Are Sailing]

Be some red faces on here after viewing that.

Good tackle and not even a foul, just unfortunate he's been injured off it.

Jeff kings wasn't a foul. We need consistency. They're either both reds or both good tackles.

 

[#Beebot]

That wouldn't have been a foul 20 years ago, but in the modern game I'm not so sure. He takes ball and man and leaves his studs in.

 

[Hollywood Red]

Looks like a fair tackle and unfortunately one of the players has ended up accidentally injured

 

[jacobncfc]

Jeff kings wasn't a foul. We need consistency. They're either both reds or both good tackles.

I doubt we’ll end up agreeing on this, but IMO the King one is different because he wins the ball but then his follow-through is high and he makes contact with the guy’s leg with his studs. To me, the Weymouth one looks like he wins the ball and his follow-through is completely normal and low with his studs down. That the less bad tackle caused serious injury is just the randomness of life, but obviously can understand why Chesterfield would be annoyed about how it’s fallen.

 

[We Are Sailing]

I doubt we’ll end up agreeing on this, but IMO the King one is different because he wins the ball but then his follow-through is high and he makes contact with the guy’s leg with his studs. To me, the Weymouth one looks like he wins the ball and his follow-through is completely normal and low with his studs down. That the less bad tackle caused serious injury is just the randomness of life, but obviously can understand why Chesterfield would be annoyed about how it’s fallen.

You're right Jacob, we don't agree.

 

[Shrimper92]

That's nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be.

 

[Shrimpurh]

That’s literally a good tackle

 

[John Still]

The rule for a Red is if excessive force is used, granted it’s a strong tackle but I don’t think it’s excessive force and there does not look to be any intent but the only one that knows that is the defender, we will never know. Refs are there to apply the law and most of the discussion on here is not about applying the law it’s more opinions with unconscious bias in mind.

Football is a contact sport and these things unfortunately do happen occasionally but the tackle is nowhere near as described on here last night. Hope the lad come backs soon.

 

[shaymen down under]

You're right Jacob, we don't agree.

Think it’s going to be chesterfield fans vs everyone else on this one.

 

[We Are Sailing]

Think it’s going to be chesterfield fans vs everyone else on this one.

Isn't that the usual case on this forum?

I don't see what the argument is. They're the same tackle. One was a red and resulted in no injury, one was no foul and resulted in a broken leg. Inconsistency.

 

[Son of Cod]

2 goals against Dead Aldershot for James McAtee. The man feasts out exclusively against the rubbish of the league tbf, you can't knock him. A goal is a goal.

That would be a superb analysis if his primary role was to score goals.

Mullin came on a free.

Ah yes and you're not paying him a wage, apologies stand corrected.

 

[Ooh Aah Paskin]

Unfortunately there is inconsistencies in officials all through this league. I've seen players blatantly elbowed and no foul given and even on the same match, a player hardly make contact and get a red.

Looking at that tackle (I haven't seen Kings) it is a hard but fair challenge that you see several times a game. It would have been harsh to call a foul as the ball was taken cleanly.

Yes, contact was made in the follow through due to momentum but literally every tackle has that to some extent.

Unfortunately it looks like a fair tackle and a freak occurrence that has left a player with potentially a serious injury.

Let's just hope it's not as serious as first feared and he can make a full recovery.

 

[Son of Cod]

Would also like to state for the record that I was absolutely smashed last night so any attempted goading of Wrexham fans and/or overly lavish praise may have been as a result of that.

 

[spireite]

I think it's one where if there's no injury on the play you might go 'oosh, big tackle' but you're not on your feet demanding a red. It's just a horrible accident. Still, that said, I hope he's burnt his toast this morning and stubbed his toe in the doorway

 

[Son of Cod]

8 points behind play offs 17 to go. Our form does have to be amazing no doubt Grimsby at home Friday night, win and it will be 5 points behind for a short while atleast followed by Eastleigh we could run close

I think you'll fall short, purely because there's no more room at the inn. I'm struggling to see who from the teams above us is going to drop down and allow us back into the playoffs. As good as your form is right now, I just can't see a side 8 points off the pace getting a top 7 spot. Big match for you on Friday, anything other than a win and you're out of it.

 

[Gladders]

Would also like to state for the record that I was absolutely smashed last night so any attempted goading of Wrexham fans and/or overly lavish praise may have been as a result of that.

Obviously not seen much of McAtee this season so can only go off other fans opinions of him, but if he is better than peak Hearn he must be good.

JT said on the radio yesterday that he wasn't even having a good game by his standards, he just happened to score two goals.

 

[Gladders]

Boreham Wood are proving this season that there is life after Tshimanga by winning the treple themselves. So Chesterfield will be fine, it just depends if they can beat Bromley in the play-offs.

 

[AdamStag]

I doubt we’ll end up agreeing on this, but IMO the King one is different because he wins the ball but then his follow-through is high and he makes contact with the guy’s leg with his studs. To me, the Weymouth one looks like he wins the ball and his follow-through is completely normal and low with his studs down. That the less bad tackle caused serious injury is just the randomness of life, but obviously can understand why Chesterfield would be annoyed about how it’s fallen.

Having looked at them both myself the issue with ref consistency is very much the point, different ref, different game and you get a different outcome. No-one expects humans to be robots but thats very frustrating if you “come down on the wrong side of it” chesterfield or not.

I wish Tshimanga the best in his recovery, it’s not something you’d want to see on any player, he’s a young lad evidently going places until then, hope he’s back up and playing ASAP

 

[Ooh Aah Paskin]

Boreham Wood were no great shakes yesterday.
Maybe they wanted out, but they certainly aren't my favourites for the title

 

[SuperHans]

I didn’t think Kings was a red and tbh that isn’t a red either.

 

[Gladders]

Boreham Wood were no great shakes yesterday.
Maybe they wanted out, but they certainly aren't my favourites for the title

Taking any cup game, never mind the tinpot trophy to rate how good a side is not a clever thing. The league table doesn't lie. They have lost two games all season to Chesterfield and Solihull.

I certainly would have them down as favourites.

 

[Museshrimper]

I think you'll fall short, purely because there's no more room at the inn. I'm struggling to see who from the teams above us is going to drop down and allow us back into the playoffs. As good as your form is right now, I just can't see a side 8 points off the pace getting a top 7 spot. Big match for you on Friday, anything other than a win and you're out of it.

Agreed. Teams can come off the pace to reach the play-offs in a normal season when 6th/7th is looking at being 65-70 points.

We're looking at 75 minimum to get in this season with 9 teams averaging 1.64 PPG or better. To get 75 points is 12 wins and a draw from 17 for Southend. I just can't see it.

 

[Gladders]

I think you'll fall short, purely because there's no more room at the inn. I'm struggling to see who from the teams above us is going to drop down and allow us back into the playoffs. As good as your form is right now, I just can't see a side 8 points off the pace getting a top 7 spot. Big match for you on Friday, anything other than a win and you're out of it.

Someone said to me the other day we would need to win 11 of our last 17 games just to match the rest of the play-off contenders on current form. Southend would need one hell of a run to get into the top 7 from where they started from. Yes they have done well over the last 10 games or so but the only decent side they have played is Bromley really.

See how they do when they still have to play 5 of the top 7 plus us (not that we are good at the mo.) and Notts, they also have the hardest run in of every side in the division looking at PPG of remaining opponents.

 

[Ooh Aah Paskin]

Taking any cup game, never mind the tinpot trophy to rate how good a side is not a clever thing. The league table doesn't lie. They have lost two games all season to Chesterfield and Solihull.

I certainly would have them down as favourites.

I know you can't rate them on one game but even with their placing and games in hand I think they will fall short of the title.
Imo it will be between Stockport and Chesterfield still.
Boreham Wood will be the other team in the top 3 most likely.
Notts County, Halifax, and then two out of Wrexham, Bromley, Grimsby and Solihull...

All I know is it will be tight for who finishes top seven.

 

[AJS]

Nothing wrong with the tackle for me. Hard but fair. Unfortunate he got a serious injury from it but just a freak accident. Wish him well and it doesn’t keep him out too long.

 

[Son of Cod]

Obviously not seen much of McAtee this season so can only go off other fans opinions of him, but if he is better than peak Hearn he must be good.

JT said on the radio yesterday that he wasn't even having a good game by his standards, he just happened to score two goals.

Hard to say really, Hearn was class but a completely different player. Technically, McAtee is streets ahead of Hearn but not as fast/dynamic. I don't think we've seen the best of McAtee yet, as I'm not convinced we're using him right. I think he'd be great at the tip of a diamond midfield behind a front two but Hurst would never go with that and we'd need an Efete type full back on the left to have any width.

Agreed. Teams can come off the pace to reach the play-offs in a normal season when 6th/7th is looking at being 65-70 points.

We're looking at 75 minimum to get in this season with 9 teams averaging 1.64 PPG or better. To get 75 points is 12 wins and a draw from 17 for Southend. I just can't see it.

Yeah, it's certainly a tall order but you've also got nothing to lose really, I think that could aid you well whereas the teams that have been in and around the playoff mix are probably gonna be taking part in some very cagey matches. What you lot can take from the last few months is a lot of encouraging signs for next season when I think you'll have a great shout at a playoff spot which would be great progress considering where you were at the start of the season. A second season playoff challenge is definitely not to be sniffed at. Took us until our 3rd season the first time round and you've only got to look at the likes of Lincoln, Stockport and Chesterfield to see that adapting at this level is by no means a given.

Someone said to me the other day we would need to win 11 of our last 17 games just to match the rest of the play-off contenders on current form. Southend would need one hell of a run to get into the top 7 from where they started from. Yes they have done well over the last 10 games or so but the only decent side they have played is Bromley really.

See how they do when they still have to play 5 of the top 7 plus us (not that we are good at the mo.) and Notts, they also have the hardest run in of every side in the division looking at PPG of remaining opponents.

Don't necessarily agree that we aren't good at the moment, we're massively improved post-horror slump and we're starting to get the rub of the green a bit more finally.

 

[Shrimpurh]

I think you'll fall short, purely because there's no more room at the inn. I'm struggling to see who from the teams above us is going to drop down and allow us back into the playoffs. As good as your form is right now, I just can't see a side 8 points off the pace getting a top 7 spot. Big match for you on Friday, anything other than a win and you're out of it.

Teams in the play off places now will have bad patches there’s still more than a third of the season left the top 7 aren’t just going to start winning every game and no doubt people will face each other sides will drop points with so long to go. We’ve got everyone to play above us other than Bromley they will be massive for us and essential if we are to make it if we continued our current form (won’t happen) we’d make the play offs at a canter.

 

[The_Boss]

Nowt wrong with that tackle. Anyone got a clip of the King one? I’ll take a look, give you my decision as independent adjudicator and we can all move on.

 

[jacobncfc]

I think you'll fall short, purely because there's no more room at the inn. I'm struggling to see who from the teams above us is going to drop down and allow us back into the playoffs. As good as your form is right now, I just can't see a side 8 points off the pace getting a top 7 spot. Big match for you on Friday, anything other than a win and you're out of it.

One of the top eight (including us rather than you with the games in hand) is going to miss out with a record that would ordinarily have you up pushing for third. Mad season. I think it’d take a ridiculous effort from here for Grimsby to make it, let alone Southend.