Attacks in Paris + Belgium

[Aber gas]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/112510

Yeah I've signed it. And what?

Good for you blade, I have too.

 

[JoshBCFC]

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2015/11/close-borders-petition.html?m=1

If the world really did turn against ISIS we could probably defeat most of them in about 4-5 months. Problem is though is that to use all our power means nukes, and launching nukes into Syria would cause WW3. So realistically IMO we could probably kill most of ISIS in about a year (as they are now) . Just bare in mind they have only 100,000 people, which is under 1% of the Muslim religion, never mind the world.

 

[smat]

Merkel will soon be asking us for asylum as she's been turned on by the German electorate.

I really don't see what Merkel's kinks have to do with her seeking asylum.

 

[TheMinsterman]

If the world really did turn against ISIS we could probably defeat most of them in about 4-5 months. Problem is though is that to use all our power means nukes, and launching nukes into Syria would cause WW3. So realistically IMO we could probably kill most of ISIS in about a year (as they are now) . Just bare in mind they have only 100,000 people, which is under 1% of the Muslim religion, never mind the world.

If we wanted to we could put boots on the ground in conjunction with air strikes and probably beat ISIS relatively quickly, however, the issue would be that we'd be unlikely to have the stomach for a "long game" in the region which would require us to not pull out prematurely and leave a vacuum for another extremist group to exploit.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Every cloud!

Better yet we could personally keep an eye on them. It's like your very own DIY James Bond kit, national security from the comfort of your living room!

 

[DarkSithLord]

News_Executive ‏@News_Executive 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Local reports say #German police find an ambulance/pickup truck with explosives near the #Hannover stadium.

Cheeky wankers

 

[Womble98]

Unconfirmed reports of a truck bomb found near the stadium in Hannover

 

[Gashead]

Crikey, was a few false alarms in the aftermath of Friday night so I'll wait till reports confirmed. The guy getting arrested doesn't look promising though re: it being false.

 

[JJH]

Music arena in Hanover has now been evacuated. Police there saying they received a 'concrete threat' about a bomb. Interesting stuff.

 

[BlueBee]

Mainland Europe looks a very risky place to be right now. I don't know why that could be.....

 

[Dave-Vale]

Very surprised the England game has gone ahead to be honest.

 

[Dave-Vale]

Mainland Europe looks a very risky place to be right now. I don't know why that could be.....

Because Belgian and French citizens who have been radicalised are committing terror attacks?

 

[BlueBee]

Perhaps.

 

[JJ1532]

What, are you doubting the official reports because it doesn't suit your agenda?

Oh and there's this:

BREAKING: German regional minister says no explosives found around stadium in Hannover & no arrests made after @DFB_Team v @KNVB cancelled.

 

[Bobbin']

What, are you doubting the official reports because it doesn't suit your agenda?

Oh and there's this:

BREAKING: German regional minister says no explosives found around stadium in Hannover & no arrests made after @DFB_Team v @KNVB cancelled.

In fairness, official reports did also state that one of the terrorists passed through Greece in October.

 

[Conker]

And you should see of the abuse targeting Ian. He's being calm by using idiot. I know that I wouldn't be keeping that calm.

You must have some issues then mate.

Yeah, that wasn't fair. What I meant is reacting to this by demanding greater border security is deeply stupid and counter-productive.

Fair enough Ian, even though I don't completely agree with you regarding border control!!

 

[Aber gas]

You must have some issues then mate.



Fair enough Ian, even though I don't completely agree with you regarding border control!!

Why would you think that?

 

[BlueBee]

What, are you doubting the official reports because it doesn't suit your agenda?

Oh and there's this:

BREAKING: German regional minister says no explosives found around stadium in Hannover & no arrests made after @DFB_Team v @KNVB cancelled.

What agenda is that?

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

If we wanted to we could put boots on the ground in conjunction with air strikes and probably beat ISIS relatively quickly, however, the issue would be that we'd be unlikely to have the stomach for a "long game" in the region which would require us to not pull out prematurely and leave a vacuum for another extremist group to exploit.

daesh as an an army, occupying territory and wreaking havoc, could be defeated in a month if the west decided to. the u.s. war machine is a terrifying one, can't think of a conventional army that ain't been obliterated by them in a loooong while. the thing is, the terror attacks ain't been executed by the 'armed forces' of daesh. it's daesh's third wing that did the attacks. no amount of bombing can rid the world of that

 

[Aber gas]

daesh as an an army, occupying territory and wreaking havoc, could be defeated in a month if the west decided to. the u.s. war machine is a terrifying one, can't think of a conventional army that ain't been obliterated by them in a loooong while. the thing is, the terror attacks ain't been executed by the 'armed forces' of daesh. it's daesh's third wing that did the attacks. no amount of bombing can rid the world of that

But if daesh are defeated and hold no territory then the caliphate can't be valid. Would this not affect their recruitment and ability to strike?

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

But if daesh are defeated and hold no territory then the caliphate can't be valid. Would this not affect their recruitment and ability to strike?

nah not in any meaningful way. they offer the promise of taking territory that's what matters. they offer the promise of power, of meaning - that's what matters. the majority of daesh's member don't join cause they are psychopaths, they don't join cause of religion. they join as children of a brutal iraqi occupation. they join cause their fathers were tortured and killed by maliki's goons after he took over. they are children of a counter-revolution. too often we denigrate and deliberately misconstrue the members of daesh as monsters when they are, in fact, just people born of circumstances us, in our comfy peaceful lives, can't understand

same way a lower league fan things he's better than the supporter of a prem team, same way a territory-less daesh supporter will think he's better than us. may be shit, but he's being honest

 

[G-Dragon]

What agenda is that?

PC idiots here would claim you have some sort of agenda if you don't agree with them.
In the other news - Police in Serbia arrest migrant carrying the SAME passport as that found close to Stade de France suicide bomber… fuelling speculation ISIS are using forgeries to fool investigators
But but....

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

'All the idiots claiming this tragedy had nothing to do with refugee situation are pretty quiet now huh.'

'but but PC idiots here are claiming it has nothing to do wit the refugee situation....'

'PC idiots here would claim you have some sort of agenda if you don't agree with them.
In the other news - Police in Serbia arrest migrant carrying the SAME passport as that found close to Stade de France suicide bomber… fuelling speculation ISIS are using forgeries to fool investigators
But but....'

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

no-one has actually disagreed with u that refugees represent legitimate security concerns. people had a problem with the pathetic way u jumped on a tragedy in an attempt to ram your xenophobic shit heap down people's throats, before any facts had actually appeared. WHILST PEOPLE WERE STILL DYING. we needed unity and compassion at the time. u presented 'politics 4 dummies' and it was hateful and it was disgusting, as is your attempt to 'one up' those absolutely LAME people who believe in altruism

 

[G-Dragon]

no-one has actually disagreed with u that refugees represent legitimate security concerns. people had a problem with the pathetic way u jumped on a tragedy in an attempt to ram your xenophobic shit heap down people's throats, before any facts had actually appeared. WHILST PEOPLE WERE STILL DYING. we needed unity and compassion at the time. u presented 'politics 4 dummies' and it was hateful and it was disgusting, as is your attempt to 'one up' those absolutely LAME people who believe in altruism

Actually, you did. You claimed refugee situation had "nothing" to do with the terrorist attack. You were acting like a retard and labeling everyone who said "refugees represent legitimate security concerns" as Islamophobic and trying to spread some sort of agenda on this forum (i mean seriously??). Now you agree with it - but then somehow my opinion was "xenophobic." The only person trying to ram shit down people's throat is you here. "Pathetic," "hateful," "disgusting" - perfectly describes the way you reacted.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Actually, you did. You claimed refugee situation had "nothing" to do with the terrorist attack. You were acting like a retard and labeling everyone who said "refugees represent legitimate security concerns" as Islamophobic and trying to spread some sort of agenda on this forum (i mean seriously??). Now you agree with it - but then somehow my opinion was "xenophobic." The only person trying to ram shit down people's throat is you here. "Pathetic," "hateful," "disgusting" - perfectly describes the way you reacted.

where did i do that? by all means i'll admit i'm wrong if u present evidence. my fault was, if u read my posts, with u pushing an anti-refugee agenda whilst the crisis was playing out. it was opportunistic and reeked of an agenda. it was out of place and truly disgusting, and i don't use that word lightly

 

[G-Dragon]

where did i do that? by all means i'll admit i'm wrong if u present evidence. my fault was, if u read my posts, with u pushing an anti-refugee agenda whilst the crisis was playing out. it was opportunistic and reeked of an agenda. it was out of place and truly disgusting, and i don't use that word lightly

Where did i push an anti-refugee and xenophobic agenda?

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

u blamed the refugees before any evidence had emerged of any refugee involvement. that is an agenda. it had no basis in reality

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

The posting of a countrywide petition? Am I missing something?

Possibly. My basic view is that it's highly distasteful to exploit a tragedy for political ends. I'm not accusing you of doing that (might have been half-cut when I made that post so I'm sorry if it seemed overly aggressive in tone) but I imagine that's exactly what the author of that petition is seeking to do. There's obviously some scope for discussion about increased control of borders, security measures etc (ideally when everyone's slightly more rational and sober than in the immediate aftermath) but no one who signs this kinda thing is "brave"; they're either a a bigot or they're guilty of a knee-jerk emotional response to a highly unpleasant event. Closing the borders is pure fantasy and, given that the vast majority of terrorist offences on European soil have been committed by individuals who are "homegrown", is no panacea when it comes to combating terrorism. I think what happened in Paris on Friday is terribly, terribly sad (and I'm somewhat unsure of how to respond to it beyond that rather trite sounding sentiment) but the whole point of terrorism is to instill fear. If we regard anyone who wishes to come to these shores with fear and suspicion, if we view any incomers as would-be terrorists, then I can't help but think that the militants have already gained the upper hand.

 

[G-Dragon]

u blamed the refugees before any evidence had emerged of any refugee involvement. that is an agenda. it had no basis in reality