Attacks in Paris + Belgium

[HertsWolf]

Why polarise it? It isn't a case of us accepting them into the UK or them dying, if it was, I don't think anyone would be able to object. We should instead look after them in Syria, in Lebanon, in Turkey so that they can easily return.
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Why in Lebanon and Turkey? In many respects that is already being done. Being in a refugee camp is pretty horrific even where they ahev some degree of care and welfare.

I understand why not in Syria because it's more or less a war zone. Would you be volunteering to go and set up desert camps for hundreds of thousands of people in that part of the world?

 

[sl1k]

All you're doing is further illustrating why the analogy doesn't work. Besides, I said "where possible" and "if you have the capacity".

Were possible? Yeah, I'm sure they were. If not, that's a stupid decision.

Tbf EG you said "were".

That's about how pedantic you're being about the analogy.

To add, it works fundementally in the context of refugees cos it demonstrates a) people getting massacred in an enclosed area b) people trying to flee that area to survive c) should people on the outside close the doors when lives are endangered in the HERE and NOW, incase there are extremists amongst them.

Ofcourse the ideal situation is to ensure that there aren't extremists in their midst.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Your first premise is false.

 

[Womble98]

Why in Lebanon and Turkey? In many respects that is already being done. Being in a refugee camp is pretty horrific even where they ahev some degree of care and welfare.

I understand why not in Syria because it's more or less a war zone. Would you be volunteering to go and set up desert camps for hundreds of thousands of people in that part of the world?

Well I'm paying to go Lebanon to look after the disabled there next year so um pretty much.

 

[sl1k]

Your first premise is false.

How so? Borders in this case representing the enclosed space.

Sure the area is a little bigger.

 

[HertsWolf]

Well I'm paying to go Lebanon to look after the disabled there next year so um pretty much.

In which case, I am indeed impressed. Is that connected with this current crisis or not. It will be interesting to see how your view of the situation changes (or doesn't) after exposure to many of the issues on the ground.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

How so? Borders in this case representing the enclosed space.

Sure the area is a little bigger.

All of Syria isn't a warzone, and all of the warzone isn't in Syria. It couldn't be much less enclosed.

 

[HertsWolf]

All of Syria isn't a warzone, and all of the warzone isn't in Syria. It couldn't be much less enclosed.

Yes, you're quite right. Most, but not all, of the uninhabitable desert area in Syria is not a warzone. Most of the rest is, however, and even those areas that are not in current conflict have the potential to be within a matter of hours.

The earlier analogy works because precisely because it explains innocent+terrorist in one place, absurdity of checking for terrorists (How? "Are you a terrorist, sonny? No? On your way then.") while holding up or locking out fleeing refugees. The analogy works because it is movement of peoples in chaos and in numbers in a desperate, panic situation.

If you take the word 'facile' in its less contemptuous meaning....as simple....then yes I agree. But I think you are sneering at it (and us). I am sure we will see your face-palm emoji soon enough as a the bearer of your ultimate contempt.

 

[Ciderhead]

https://www.facebook.com/theprojecttv/videos/10153243154568441/
The best appraisal of the situation I've seen. Well said that man

 

[blade1889]

Try and pick holes in an analogy and you'll find them...cos analogies are just that and not the same thing that they are referring to.

Like, why is this even an issue?

 

[T.A]

Do you reckon world leaders have these type of arguments?

 

[mnb089mnb]

Were possible? Yeah, I'm sure they were. If not, that's a stupid decision.

So your premise was false. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Yes, you're quite right. Most, but not all, of the uninhabitable desert area in Syria is not a warzone. Most of the rest is, however, and even those areas that are not in current conflict have the potential to be within a matter of hours.

The earlier analogy works because precisely because it explains innocent+terrorist in one place, absurdity of checking for terrorists (How? "Are you a terrorist, sonny? No? On your way then.") while holding up or locking out fleeing refugees. The analogy works because it is movement of peoples in chaos and in numbers in a desperate, panic situation.

Far from being absurd, it's exactly what we are doing. We're vetting all of the people we accept into the UK while they wait in refugee camps in safe countries bordering Syria. There is no "let them in or leave them in Syria" scenario at play here, that's a ridiculous false dichotomy, as I have already said.

So your premise was false. Thanks for clearing that up.

Which premise?

 

[Dave-Vale]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-keep-terrorists-from-ruining-world/

Posted after the last attack in Paris but stil very relevant.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Which premise?

= Everyone trying to leave would have been checked thoroughly. =

This one. Do we know this happened? No.

You are wrong.

 

[Abertawe]

Supposed free thinking individuals being manipulated with such ease. Isil, a Zionist funded proxy army. It's convenient that the actions of IS serve to benefit & evolve the most powerful.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

it's late and i'm tired but are u claiming there daesh are funded by israel?!

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

= Everyone trying to leave would have been checked thoroughly. =

This one. Do we know this happened? No.

You are wrong.

Bit of a stretch to call that a premise. It was illustrative. It doesn't need to be true or false for my rationale to work. Besides, we haven't established that it didn't happen.

 

[Abertawe]

Deffo not

 

[mnb089mnb]

Bit of a stretch to call that a premise. It was illustrative. It doesn't need to be true or false for my rationale to work. Besides, we haven't established that it didn't happen.

Hahahaha. Wow.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Deffo not

Just cos someone did a cartoon doesn't make it true.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Hahahaha. Wow.

???

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Deffo not

do u have, like, any damning evidence of this? or is this just another lefty 'the jews and america: eternal puppeteers' shtick, cause they're getting boring

 

[mnb089mnb]

???

Is this how you do it?

 

[mnb089mnb]

do u have, like, any damning evidence of this? or is this just another lefty 'the jews and america: eternal puppeteers' shtick, cause they're getting boring

Basically anti-Semitic.

Not sure if that's allowed or not considering one of the Admins thinks it's OK to pester rape victims.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Is this how you do it?

???

 

[mnb089mnb]

???

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

???

???

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

think your mainframe needs an update

 

[mnb089mnb]

To lighten things a little, is anyone a little jealous of France and her great National Anthem?

If the same event had happened in the UK could you imagine people walking away singing GSTQ?