Attacks in Paris + Belgium

[mowgli]

Live pictures on the BBC showed police leading a suspect from the building who was bollock naked. I just hope the idiotic woman who blew herself up didn't have any kids with her.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

I think this is quite a narcissistic way to look at it. It's not all about us and it never has been. Sure we haven't helped things at times but we're far from the only ones who have meddled in the region. Russian/Soviet and Chinese influences have also been destabilising factors as well as powers in the region that have little invested in stability like Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran. All of this needs to be in any attempt to understand the region as well as some heinous mismanagement and corruption by Middle Eastern leaders that they managed all on their own.

Also by blaming it all on the West it robs middle eastern peoples of their own agency. They can't possibly think for themselves and every action they take has to be because of the big bad west.

Everything comes back to Sykes Picot though.

their's a real perverse kind of logic in equating the iraq war with being wrong with saddam being right for iraq. liberals bizarelly love the idea of a middle eastern strongman

liberals are apologists for fascists in other countries, you say?

 

[HertsWolf]

Live pictures on the BBC showed police leading a suspect from the building who was bollock naked. I just hope the idiotic woman who blew herself up didn't have any kids with her.

Wondering why it wasn't possible for him to have been dressed before being led out?

 

[Whitechapel]

Wondering why it wasn't possible for him to have been dressed before being led out?

Maybe he was giving himself up, but the police obviously being suspicious would only take him if he stripped from a distance. Which is understandable I'd say considering how many of them are self detonating.

 

[HertsWolf]

Everything comes back to Sykes Picot though.

To be safe, I really should agree with you on this, but I really don't think it does. There are aspects of what SUTSS says above that I feel are fair commentary. You have to give the space for people in Africa and The Middle East to solve their own problems. The argument I have is that Western influence (and yes, Russian and Chinese) has tended to support dictatorships ("our dictators being the preferred ones), and that, rightly or wrongly, the young dispossessed blame the West for much of their lack of empowerment.
The Arab Spring has given many in the region a new voice but terrorists and extremists have exploited the transition period.

 

[mowgli]

Maybe he was giving himself up, but the police obviously being suspicious would only take him if he stripped from a distance. Which is understandable I'd say considering how many of them are self detonating.

That's a good shout. Even the police and army have fears so who can blame them.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Wonder if the people signing that petition realise it would mean they couldn't go on holiday

Quite funny. Woman who set up that petition is currently in Spain.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/t...etition?bftwuk&utm_term=.dmqb7yNlJ#.rk3VvqaO4

 

[TomPNE94]

Quite funny. Woman who set up that petition is currently in Spain.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/t...etition?bftwuk&utm_term=.dmqb7yNlJ#.rk3VvqaO4

Don't think irony does it justice

 

[Christian Slater]

Quite funny. Woman who set up that petition is currently in Spain.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/t...etition?bftwuk&utm_term=.dmqb7yNlJ#.rk3VvqaO4

Years ago The Sun used to have a forum which I enjoyed reading. The Current Affairs section was full of expats putting the UK to rights.

 

[TomPNE94]

Years ago The Sun used to have a forum which I enjoyed reading. The Current Affairs section was full of expats putting the UK to rights.

I remember when I went to Malta, I was sat in a bar next to table of 5 or 6 retired "ex-pats" who were bemoaning the amount of "johnny foreigners" in Britain that had forced them to get out. I had to bite my tongue.

P.S ex-pat is in speech marks because I hate the term, just a fancy word for immigrant

 

[spireite]

P.S ex-pat is in speech marks because I hate the term, just a fancy word for immigrant

It's more of a portmanteau

Edit: no it's not, I'm a knob

 

[Christian Slater]

I remember when I went to Malta, I was sat in a bar next to table of 5 or 6 retired "ex-pats" who were bemoaning the amount of "johnny foreigners" in Britain that had forced them to get out. I had to bite my tongue.

P.S ex-pat is in speech marks because I hate the term, just a fancy word for immigrant

It's a fairly common trait in my experience. I think many of them do it to vindicate their decision to move. Although, you'd think if they were happy with their new life they wouldn't spend most of their time bemoaning the old one.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

their's a real perverse kind of logic in equating the iraq war with being wrong with saddam being right for iraq. liberals bizarelly love the idea of a middle eastern strongman

Chapter #14563467 of the Big 1FF book of "what Liberals think"

I mean, do they? Or do they simply recognise that a strongman is at least effective in keeping a lid on a load of simmering ethnic tensions in a region of crudely drawn borders?

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

if u kill off an ethnicity, does that equal a lack of ethnic tension?

 

[HertsWolf]

I mean, do they? Or do they simply recognise that a strongman is at least effective in keeping a lid on a load of simmering ethnic tensions in a region of crudely drawn borders?

Doesn't history suggest that strongmen favour one group or grouping, however defined, leading to simmering tensions among those not favoured?
In religion, doesn't the same strongman provides a promise of all kinds of good shit usually in return for cash (credit cards and PayPal accepted) or for wearing this nice vest?

 

[Nath]

I really wish they'd stop referring to that imbecile as a "mastermind".

 

[HertsWolf]

I find it curious, this story about one of the attackers seemingly risking his life saving children from a burning building. His ex-wife paints him as utterly uninterested in current affairs or even religion, suggesting he preferred smoking dope and lying in bed listening to rap music.

Am the first to admit it runs very much counter to what I (and others) have written about people feeling they were oppressed, desperate and downtrodden religious fanatics..... But how do you explain the switch from one-time local hero turned useless, stoned layabout to mass murderer? It's a fairly big leap.

 

[G-Dragon]

The 2001 shoe-bomber was a man called Richard Reid, born in Bromley, and had a Jamaican father. Richard Reid stole cars and was known to write graffiti. He spent time in Finsbury Park.

One of the 7/7 bombers lived in Aylesbury but he also had a Jamaican background. He had lived in Yorkshire. He was married and had a child.

I'm assuming that you would sanction arresting or banning or putting the following under surveillance.

• People who are Jamaican or who have dreadlocks or who like reggae (perhaps checking iTunes accounts for evidence)
• People who steal cars except for legitimate purposes
• People called Richard
• People with the name Reid. (Or Reed or Read because terrorismists are fucking clever like that)
• People who have been within two miles of Finsbury Park (to be on the safe side)
• People who write graffiti a lot.
• People from Bromley, Aylesbury or Yorkshire. Or who have been on holiday there.
• Married people
• People with children
• People with a owl tattoo.
• People who pretend to be any of the above.

? How does that change the fact some Syrian refugees were involved? Why are you so hell bent on denying that the handling of refugee crisis has also played a part in the terrorist activities? Who here is denying that there are home grown terrorist?

I'm assuming that you want European countries to,

• Send free plane tickets to Syria
• Remove all security measures from Airports
• Get rid of Visa or Passport requirements to travel any country
• Sell Ak-47 and Grenades on the street
• Let people living in a country with panademic travel freely without any check cups (because you can't fucking keep people locked up in a country)

 

[HertsWolf]

Years ago The Sun used to have a forum which I enjoyed reading. The Current Affairs section was full of expats putting the UK to rights.

I think they they are all in the Mail Online's comments section now because you have to pay for The Sun. Always reminded of that saying that it's a tragedy all the people who can best run the country are driving cabs.

 

[HertsWolf]

? How does that change the fact some Syrian refugees were involved? Why are you so hell bent on denying that the handling of refugee crisis has also played a part in the terrorist activities? Who here is denying that there are home grown terrorist?

I'm assuming that you want European countries to,

• Send free plane tickets to Syria
• Remove all security measures from Airports
• Get rid of Visa or Passport requirements to travel any country
• Sell Ak-47 and Grenades on the street
• Let people living in a country with panademic travel freely without any check cups (because you can't fucking keep people locked up in a country)

Which Syrian refugees were involved? The ones named so far appear to have been Belgian, although it is entirely possible that there may be terrorists in the flow of humanity over the borders. It's a challenge for nearly all European governments to work out how to catch the terrorists no matter their origin or mode of movement.
If you read my earlier posts, and that of others, you will see that we have long suggested that large-scale migration brings its own issues. The sheer numbers suggest that there will be some terrorists among them. However, I could ask why you are so hell-bent on insisting that the handling of the refugee crisis has played a part in the terrorist activities? The management of a tide of urgent mass migration is a complex and difficult task.

Please don't assume that anyone who disagrees with your solution is supportive of terrorism, which is what you are suggesting from your list. Nor are those who disagree with you necessarily "PC" or even "idiots".

So, you assume wrong with your five suggestions. Nothing I have written remotely suggests any of it. And how on earth has a pandemic and checking bra sizes got in to the list?

Edit: You're the fucking genius who had never heard of Sean O'Driscoll, aren't you? Forgotten how much you had your finger on the pulse. Good to see your wit and wisdom again.

 

[Martino Knockavelli]

stoned layabout to mass murderer? It's a fairly big leap.

Is it? Disaffection, disillusion and depression often (usually?) manifests as a nihilistic conviction that the world is fucked, that it's all pointless. It's a psychological vacuum desirous of being filled by an inciting cause, a worldview, a motivation, something. Mine was becoming navel gazing Robert Anton Wilson bore and a world champion message boarder. But I can see how going and killing a load of fuckers in a glorious act of hara-kiri would sate the same appetite, even setting aside the religious dimension.

 

[Harrier94]

Remember reading on this thread that someone suggested we go back to the American way and supply the public with guns. Hopefully this article stops that idea.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/18/nra...ars/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Remember reading on this thread that someone suggested we go back to the American way and supply the public with guns. Hopefully this article stops that idea.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/18/nra...ars/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

as far as terrible suggestions go that one was by far the best

 

[HertsWolf]

Is it? Disaffection, disillusion and depression often (usually?) manifests as a nihilistic conviction that the world is fucked, that it's all pointless. It's a psychological vacuum desirous of being filled by an inciting cause, a worldview, a motivation, something. Mine was becoming navel gazing Robert Anton Wilson bore and a world champion message boarder. But I can see how going and killing a load of fuckers in a glorious act of hara-kiri would sate the same appetite, even setting aside the religious dimension.

I think it is a big leap. Certainly depression and disillusionment affects a high number of young people, especially the unemployed, but personally I **can't** see how "killing a load" would "sate the appetite". They must be there, but I can't conceive of the triggers.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

the columbine kids were massive stoners too weren't they? weed, gateway to some dark places

 

[HertsWolf]

as far as terrible suggestions go that one was by far the best

Overheard a bloke in the pub last night suggesting they "turn off the internet for people who might be terrorists". That's already become a personal favourite.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Maybe he was giving himself up, but the police obviously being suspicious would only take him if he stripped from a distance. Which is understandable I'd say considering how many of them are self detonating.

Maybe he sleeps in the nude and was awoken by French police.

I had something similar (but worse) happen to me. I was awoken by noises downstairs, thought it was an intruder, it wasn't. I had forgotten my mother-in-law was going to be visiting and she had arrived really early. She has a key so let herself in.

Not sure what I expected to do to an intruder. Wrestle him naked like Olvier Reed I expect. Thankfully I managed to assess the situation in time and retreated to the relative safety of my bedroom. Probably for the best as my mother-in-law may have self detonated.

 

[Christian Slater]

the columbine kids were massive stoners too weren't they? weed, gateway to some dark places

I think the bullying and social-outcasting had a bigger effect than cannabis and Marilyn Manson.

 

[Martino Knockavelli]

I think it is a big leap. Certainly depression and disillusionment affects a high number of young people, especially the unemployed, but personally I **can't** see how "killing a load" would "sate the appetite". They must be there, but I can't conceive of the triggers.

You're being obtuse, and your ***oh-so-delicately*** selective quoting is fatuous and disingenuous (I mean, you already changed your avatar, we know how much you care, mate). Obviously there ****is**** a leap, which is why this sort of outcome is an *****enormous***** rarity, the act of one in X million. But I am positing a ******causation******. A logical path via which one may arrive at an *******extreme******* outcome .

 

[HertsWolf]

You're being obtuse, and your ***oh-so-delicately*** selective quoting is fatuous and disingenuous (I mean, you already changed your avatar, we know how much you care, mate). Obviously there ****is**** a leap, which is why this sort of outcome is an *****enormous***** rarity, the act of one in X million. But I am positing a ******causation******. A logical path via which one may arrive at an *******extreme******* outcome .

Ignored,you pretentious c***. You're probably still working on your fatuous shite on gimps and ukuleles for another thread. No doubt you will add these terrorists to that list of famous Belgians which so far is comprised mainly of cyclists and artists you Googled.