Attacks in Paris + Belgium

[G-Dragon]

Which Syrian refugees were involved? The ones named so far appear to have been Belgian, although it is entirely possible that there may be terrorists in the flow of humanity over the borders. It's a challenge for nearly all European governments to work out how to catch the terrorists no matter their origin or mode of movement.
If you read my earlier posts, and that of others, you will see that we have long suggested that large-scale migration brings its own issues. The sheer numbers suggest that there will be some terrorists among them. However, I could ask why you are so hell-bent on insisting that the handling of the refugee crisis has played a part in the terrorist activities? The management of a tide of urgent mass migration is a complex and difficult task.

Please don't assume that anyone who disagrees with your solution is supportive of terrorism, which is what you are suggesting from your list. Nor are those who disagree with you necessarily "PC" or even "idiots".

So, you assume wrong with your five suggestions. Nothing I have written remotely suggests any of it. And how on earth has a pandemic and checking bra sizes got in to the list?

Edit: You're the fucking genius who had never heard of Sean O'Driscoll, aren't you? Forgotten how much you had your finger on the pulse. Good to see your wit and wisdom again.

So you can assume what I think, but when I assume what you think its wrong? Please don't assume that anyone who thinks the refugee situation needs to be handled better is islamophobic, hates brown people, and are against refugees coming to Europe.

You are getting a bit desperate now for a self proclaimed genius though, bringing in Sean O'Driscoll. Don't think he is a significant person in the past or present for me to know him. Maybe for some people, but certainly not me.

 

[Martino Knockavelli]

Ignored,you pretentious c***. You're probably still working on your fatuous shite on gimps and ukuleles for another thread. No doubt you will add these terrorists to that list of famous Belgians which so far is comprised mainly of cyclists and artists you Googled.

No doubt I will. But which would be the more appalling act: that, or a Hampshire man editing a post to calumnise me further with the additional accusation that I GOOGLE ARTISTS? And in **this** thread, of all threads. Where is the decorum, I ask?

 

[HertsWolf]

So you can assume what I think, but when I assume what you think its wrong? Please don't assume that anyone who thinks the refugee situation needs to be handled better is islamophobic, hates brown people, and are against refugees coming to Europe.

You are getting a bit desperate now for a self proclaimed genius though, bringing in Sean O'Driscoll. Don't think he is a significant person in the past or present for me to know him. Maybe for some people, but certainly not me.

The O'Driscoll bit was a bit too good to miss, but admittedly over the top.
I'm certainly no genius, but I also never said you were islamophobic or racist. I pointed out that the generalisations were flawed and that not everyone who disagreed with you was necessarily PC or an idiot (terms you used strongly earlier).

Most crisis situations can probably be managed better again no disagreement there.

 

[HertsWolf]

No doubt I will. But which would be the more appalling act: that, or a Hampshire man editing a post to calumnise me further with the additional accusation that I GOOGLE ARTISTS? And in **this** thread, of all threads. Where is the decorum, I ask?

A remarkably restrained response by your standard. I assume you meant calumniate rather than calumnise, but either way how very Martin Knockavelli to use an obtuse word instead of something simple, like slander or besmirch. Certainly no calumniation was intended. The implication, of course, is that you did Google the cyclists.

 

[HertsWolf]

Not being funny, but if Sean O'Driscoll was Belgian, he'd be Top 15. Can't believe you've never heard of him.

You pretentious c***/odious twat. Hope she gets shagged tbh. (Sorry just wanted to join in with the 1FF abuse)

Hope who gets shagged?

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Doesn't history suggest that strongmen favour one group or grouping, however defined, leading to simmering tensions among those not favoured?
In religion, doesn't the same strongman provides a promise of all kinds of good shit usually in return for cash (credit cards and PayPal accepted) or for wearing this nice vest?

I wouldn't remotely disagree. I'm certainly not attempting to suggest that it's a model of government that is any way desirable - I can't imagine that many people particularly lament the demise of the Hussein's and Gaddafi's of this world. But it seems not unreasonable to acknowledge that, if you remove those figures, you risk greater instability and greater bloodshed as those simmering tensions spill out into the open.

 

[HertsWolf]

I wouldn't remotely disagree. I'm certainly not attempting to suggest that it's a model of government that is any way desirable - I can't imagine many people particularly lament the demise of the Hussein's and Gaddafi's of this world. But it seems not unreasonable to acknowledge that, if you remove those figures, you risk greater instability and greater bloodshed as those simmering tensions spill out into the open.

Yes I know.... I think the tragedy is we really don't learn and continue to support unpleasant regimes and call it "political expediency". In many ways, you are damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[mistermagic]

While I enjoyed the Call of Duty Paris episode this morning, it would be nice to see who we killed...

Amateurs they may be but they still had quite an arsenal up there. Didn't expect their resistance to be so good...

 

[Dave-Vale]

Apparently the Belgian mastermind behind the attacks is dead. Blown up along with his blonde, white (probably Belgian) girlfriend.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

rest in little itty bitty pieces poophead

 

[BlueBee]

Jewish person stabbed in Marseille by 'ISIS supporters'. This is just going to go on and on.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 32m32 minutes ago

Jewish teacher stabbed in French city of Marseille by three people claiming to be IS supporters, prosecutors say

 

[silkyman]

http://www.thecanary.co/2015/11/18/identity-paris-attackers-confirmed-heres-many-refugees/

Quick, get deporting people

 

[G-Dragon]

The O'Driscoll bit was a bit too good to miss, but admittedly over the top.
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I mean no offense, but he really is nobody.

 

[G-Dragon]

Did you read the thing I posted a few pages back? IS can pretty much forge any passport in the world. They also have thousands of EU nationals in their ranks. They don't need to pretend to be refugees. They can literally jump on a plane in Gaziantep and fly to London.

Five Syrian men attempting to travel to the U.S. using fake passports detained in Honduras, police say.
They probably should have pretended to be Refugees. Obama would have welcomed them.

 

[silkyman]

Did I just stumble upon a Britain First post on Facebook, there?

 

[mnb089mnb]

I mean no offense, but he really is nobody.

Maybe if he pretended to be a refugee we would all know who he was.

 

[JJ1532]

Five Syrian men attempting to travel to the U.S. using fake passports detained in Honduras, police say.
They probably should have pretended to be Refugees. Obama would have welcomed them.

Phew. Lucky escape then. I mean, they were confirmed as potential terrorists I assume.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Maybe if he pretended to be a refugee we would all know who he was.

If only he'd advised Brendan to stick a few refugees upfront with Benteke maybe defences would have let the Liverpool attack through freely and he'd still have a job today.

 

[G-Dragon]

If only he'd advised Brendan to stick a few refugees upfront with Benteke maybe defences would have let the Liverpool attack through freely and he'd still have a job today.

Not when Klopp is available though

 

[TheMinsterman]

Not when Klopp is available though

Another hard working Brit losing his job to a cheap immigrant import. It sickens me.

#brokenbritain

 

[G-Dragon]

Another hard working Brit losing his job to a cheap immigrant import. It sickens me.

#brokenbritain

Cheap??

 

[TheMinsterman]

Cheap??

Absolutely, we all know Klopp was a refugee seeking shelter from the majority of the Bundesliga's strikeforce last season.

 

[Nath]

Has a children's hospital been bombed?

 

[G-Dragon]

Absolutely, we all know Klopp was a refugee seeking shelter from the majority of the Bundesliga's strikeforce last season.

One of the few refugees who worked hard, took the chances he had, turned the team around and finished them in 7th place + Europa League football.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

So ISIS are picking fights with the USA, France, Russia and Britain... how long before they pop up in Gansu Province?

 

[Stagat]

So ISIS are picking fights with the USA, France, Russia and Britain... how long before they pop up in Gansu Province?

You mean Gansu Province Muslims being influenced by them?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

In the same way French and Belgian ones were yeah. They're persecuted quite a bit over there aren't they?

 

[Stagat]

I'm no expert (and who is) but Gansu really wouldn't be somewhere I'd expect to see owt ISIS-related kick off. Like, really.

Xinjiang is obviously more the hotbed of Uyghur Muslim dissatisfaction anyway. They are persecuted by the Han CCP, for sure, but that would just add more weight to my opinion that they wouldn't start doing anything related to ISIS. Simply because they have enough of their own issues to last them a lifetime and more.

Their biggest concern is protecting their own ethnicity, which is being eroded or diluted by government orchestrated Han migration. Kicking off in the name of some dudes in Syria, be it in their own province or travelling over to an eastern city and stabbing people up in a train station again, will just bring even more Beijing police and security into their regions. Which is the last thing they want.

So no, I don't reckon anything ISIS-inspired will be on the agenda of any Chinese Muslims, be they Gansu, Xinjiang or anywhere else.

tl;dr - it's not their fight and they have enough on their plate already IMO

 

[liu]

I'm no expert (and who is) but Gansu really wouldn't be somewhere I'd expect to see owt ISIS-related kick off. Like, really.

Xinjiang is obviously more the hotbed of Uyghur Muslim dissatisfaction anyway. They are persecuted by the Han CCP, for sure, but that would just add more weight to my opinion that they wouldn't start doing anything related to ISIS. Simply because they have enough of their own issues to last them a lifetime and more.

Their biggest concern is protecting their own ethnicity, which is being eroded or diluted by government orchestrated Han migration. Kicking off in the name of some dudes in Syria, be it in their own province or travelling over to an eastern city and stabbing people up in a train station again, will just bring even more Beijing police and security into their regions. Which is the last thing they want.

So no, I don't reckon anything ISIS-inspired will be on the agenda of any Chinese Muslims, be they Gansu, Xinjiang or anywhere else.

tl;dr - it's not their fight and they have enough on their plate already IMO

It will be hard for Islam extremists in China to link with ISIS, but not impossible, and it certainly doesn't mean that ISIS can't have an influence on those people. Most extremists are not reasonable people. Islam extremism has been more visible in recent years than before in our country. The reason is very complicated.

By the way, their biggest conern is far from protecting their own ethnicity. From what I see and hear, most of their concerns are exact the same concerns that Han people live in the less developed part of China have. But, as soon as somebody says he's persecuted by CCP, he gains the support from the West. This is a well used tactic by those extremists in China.