Attacks in Paris + Belgium

[sl1k]

The answer is to let in more hajis. Eventually, they'll blow everything up, and the bombings will cease.

Just give us shariah law and dat Jizya tax baybeh, then maybe we'll let you practise your secular voodoo behind closed doors...as long as we don't find out. Allah Hu'Akbar!!

 

[Stevencc]

I'll get the pitchforks, lads.

 

[sl1k]

Dey better be Muslim pitchforks Steven.

 

[Renegade]

Is no thread safe from Silkyman and Manchester City?

The global conspiracy against Manchester City is really ramping up, I mean recruiting ISIS to take out youth players.

Seriously though, that is some crazy misfortune.

 

[Womble98]

So this video proves this how?

They are some of Sweden's new refugees. You would think they might be grateful to the people and country who have welcomed them in but no.

 

[Stevencc]

"'We promise to the states that are allied against the Islamic State that they will face dark days in return for their aggression against our state.

'And what will await you will become harder and more bitter through the grace of Allah.

'In praise of Allah who has made our blows precise and helped us succeed. we demand for him to accept our brothers among the martyrs."

ISIS.


"ISIS threatens UK with 'harder and more bitter' attack than Brussels after claiming responsibility for bombings which killed 34 people"

Daily Mail's headline.

 

[Christian Slater]

Very pushy, aren't they? Demanding things of their diety.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Very pushy, aren't they? Demanding things of their diety.

*deity

 

[spireite]

Maybe Allah watches what he eats as well, this is the 21st century

 

[smat]

Very pushy, aren't they? Demanding things of their diety.

yep, bit disappointed by that tbh. they lack class.

 

[silkyman]

Just give us shariah law and dat Jizya tax baybeh, then maybe we'll let you practise your secular voodoo behind closed doors...as long as we don't find out. Allah Hu'Akbar!!

IT'S A TRAP!!!

 

[Christian Slater]

*deity

I was on about Halal, mate.

 

[sl1k]

IT'S A TRAP!!!

Id actually love to pull this off one day in a room with a select few 1ff members. The resulting skid marks would be absolutely hilarious.

 

[Stevencc]

Id actually love to pull this off one day in a room with a select few 1ff members. The resulting skid marks would be absolutely hilarious.

Love that scene.

"Mashallah Bruvva".

 

[Tilbury]

They are some of Sweden's new refugees. You would think they might be grateful to the people and country who have welcomed them in but no.

Grateful to the.. Australian news team? And the video even shows most being friendly.

 

[Calstag]

 

[silkyman]

I really hope that that video doesn't just show a man and woman in massive shock as they pull their dead child out of the wreckage of a terrorist attack, repurposed as tinfoil hat wearing cuntery.

 

[Womble98]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sts-turning-young-muslims-away-from-extremism

This kind of action should be supported and praised.

 

[Womble98]

This is really ahistorical. The reason for the rise of radical Islam as a mode of political organising is because of the failure of other political projects as liberationary/counter-imperialist forces. The US undermined Communism in the Arab world, the United Arab Republic and Nasserist pan-Arabism and Nationalism in Arab states/neo-Ba'athism. Obviously the US is not the sole reason for any of those projects failing - some of them - neo-Ba'athism for example - were very bad ideas anyway.

Islamism/Salafism are bad (and slightly different, but related, things), but they're also seductive because (like fascism) they appeal to the social conservatism of rural communities while maintaining the status of regional elites who go along with it. It's successful in terms of propagating itself (not in any sense as a liberationary force) because it's well funded. I would argue that the more sectarian/pro-Saudi strands are viewed as much less threatening to Western interests than Communism or Pan-Arabism were and that's why there's been very little effort to stem that funding - the more obvious Qutbist/revolutionary strands were clearly a threat to Western interests though.

kind of feel that people who just talk about "religion" - either to say it's all about religion or it is a twisted perversion of it - are missing the point. This is the failure of Harris/Dawkins - they view religion as brainwashing, without ever really exploring what the conditions are for those ideas to be seductive. Cos that would involve critically appraising the recent history of the middle east.

Think you've got to realise that the predominant way racism acts in the west is structural and institutional rather than individual. Don't look at it as "white people not liking brown people" but as white-supremacy hard-coded into our society. Migrant communities stick together partly because they need to - in that the best way to resist violence from the state is collectively.

I think you are mostly right here with regards to the reasons for Islamic terrorism, but there is an overstated link between western military intervention in the middle east and Islamic terror. It is not just western military intervention, it is Western lifestyles, western culture and the growing spread of that in the Middle East. If we had not gone into Iraq, or any other Arab countries, if our involvement in the middle east for the past 50 years had been solely peaceful and generous, I think this movement would still exist as a reactionary force to Western values i.e. emancipation of women, LGBT rights, etc. You could make a comparison with Nazi Germany and their hatred of the spread of American culture, jazz music, female emancipation etc.

 

[Tilbury]

From that article: 'mistrust is running high: the worry is that if you talk about such issues in front of a journalist, the next thing you know, you’re on a watch list.'
Doesn't justify attacking them but goes some way to explaining why.

 

[Womble98]

From that article: 'mistrust is running high: the worry is that if you talk about such issues in front of a journalist, the next thing you know, you’re on a watch list.'
Doesn't justify attacking them but goes some way to explaining why.

Pretty sure you are less likely to be on a watch list if you keep your head down and move on than if you throw a stone at the face of a man standing there peacefully.....

 

[Womble98]

I really hope that that video doesn't just show a man and woman in massive shock as they pull their dead child out of the wreckage of a terrorist attack, repurposed as tinfoil hat wearing cuntery.

The absolute fucktardery and mental gymnastics that must happen in order to actually believe this kind of thing is stunning. Do people really think that every single one of these terror attacks has been masterfully run by the leaders of the world without any of the many hundreds involved telling someone?

 

[silkyman]

There's people who seem to think that the moon landings and 9/11 could have been faked without anyone noticing. And they are always based on explainable 'errors' that if they were real even a moron would spot, let alone an organisation capable of actually pulling this sort of shit off.

 

[blade1889]

There's people who seem to think that the moon landings and 9/11 could have been faked without anyone noticing.

You are familiar with a certain thread in the news section, yes?

 

[silkyman]

Flat Earth?

It's been a window into the immense fuckwittery that the world has to offer. I've delved deep into the insanity on twitter and other online places, and it's really scary that any adult can think like that.

If you want real mentalism, try the chemtrail lot.

 

[Womble98]

Despite Bush being one of the US' stupidest presidents he was clever enough to deceive 99% of the population into thinking it wasn't him who destroyed the twin towers. #undercovergenius

 

[Tilbury]

Pretty sure you are less likely to be on a watch list if you keep your head down and move on than if you throw a stone at the face of a man standing there peacefully.....

Still doesn't stop them being demonised by large chunks of the press and population.

 

[Calstag]

The irony that the news crew were on the phone to an "American working for nato" who's "had an interesting morning" ....... As for the baby it was pretty damn don't you think ? Who is Isis? Are they the same as Al Qaeda or the ones before them ?

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

I think you are mostly right here with regards to the reasons for Islamic terrorism, but there is an overstated link between western military intervention in the middle east and Islamic terror. It is not just western military intervention, it is Western lifestyles, western culture and the growing spread of that in the Middle East. If we had not gone into Iraq, or any other Arab countries, if our involvement in the middle east for the past 50 years had been solely peaceful and generous, I think this movement would still exist as a reactionary force to Western values i.e. emancipation of women, LGBT rights, etc. You could make a comparison with Nazi Germany and their hatred of the spread of American culture, jazz music, female emancipation etc.

No-one's saying that Islamism (either in its Salafist or Qutbist strains) is a direct response to Western Imperialism. Well, Stop The War probably are, but everyone stopped paying attention to them years ago. Of course they would exist - less as a reaction to "Western Values" (and it's Orientalist and ahistorical to pretend that LGBT rights or women's liberation could be considered "Western Values" - not, of course, that some Islamists haven't claimed exactly that) and more as a socially conservative opposition to domestic liberation movements.

But because genuinely liberationary movements such as socialism were undermined by the West - normally by bolstering religious ultraconservatives - Islamism becomes the only political ideology challenging in many cases a brutal status quo. If you want economic or political justice in much of the middle East and North Africa - the only groups offering tangible (albeit deeply flawed) solutions and resistance to the status quo are Islamists.

Yeah, maybe Nazis hated Jazz music, maybe ISIS hate Eastenders. But it wasn't a loathing for Bessie Smith or Count Basie that drove Germans to support National Socialism but rather long-term economic malaise, the failures/suppression/demonisation of alternative political projects and seductive promises of national renaissance. Similarly, the Middle-East and North Africa has seen sustained economic stagnation, brutal dictatorships, war, political repression. Without economic and social justice - reactionary ideologies flourish. Western imperialism is of course only a part of that - but it is a significant part.

 

[Womble98]

I think I might agree with you which is a surprise. There's a book I've been reading about the Arab world which says something quite similar, I'll try and find a paragraph or two from it