Biggest club

[Hurrikeen]

I absolutely love the irony of all these clubs scrambling to be acclaimed the biggest.

Surely, being the biggest club in L1 also means that you are the most underperforming club, relative to size. So carry on chums...keep admitting how rubbish you are.


Having said that, I'd forgotten just how utterly tedious the Rotherham fans were. It makes reading Firthy's claptrap worthwhile. Makes you realise just how close to the truth the Python lads were with the Four Yorkshiremen sketch.

It's unfair on the rest of the Rotherham fanbase to judge them on the garbage that zeppelin head comes out with on here.

 

[Millerbri]

It's unfair on the rest of the Rotherham fanbase to judge them on the garbage that zeppelin head comes out with on here.

Thank you

 

[Reaper]

Because I'm bored... here's the historical side to this debate:

League One teams with (the most) FA cup wins:

Blackburn Rovers - 6
Portsmouth - 2
Bury - 2
Wigan Athletic - 1
Charlton Athletic - 1
Bradford City - 1
Blackpool - 1

Blackburn the clear winners here

League One teams with league cup wins

Oxford United - 1
Blackburn Rovers 1

League One teams with most years in the first tier (PL years) - second tiers

Blackburn Rovers - 72 (18) - 41
Portsmouth - 33 (7) - 40
Charlton Athletic - 29 (8) - 45
Blackpool - 28 (1) - 50
Bury - 22 (0) - 39
Oldham Athletic - 12 (3) - 36
Bradford City - 12 (2) - 29
Wigan Athletic - 8 (8) - 5
Oxford United - 3 (0) - 18
Northampton Town - 1 (0) - 3

Blackburn again clear winners, most Premier League years with 18, followed by Charlton and Wigan with 8 and Pompey with 7.

League One clubs that have been in European competitions (no of seasons)

Blackburn Rovers (7)
Wigan Athletic (1)
Portsmouth (1)

Blackburn again the clear winners


Looking at these stats, Blackburn are by far the biggest historically, with Rotherham not featuring on any lists.

Fa Cup wins means jack shit unless you've won it multiple times, just shows anybody could have won it with a bit of luck in those days with the teams thats won it.

Those teams might have been bigger many years ago but you are deluded if you think the likes of Bury, Oxford and Northampton are bigger than us at this moment in time.

 

[Reaper]

As for attendances, if you use a clubs largest average attendance between 1986 and now.. it's as follows:

Blackburn Rovers - 27,714
Charlton Athletic - 26,403
Wigan Athletic - 20,223
Portsmouth - 20,108
Bradford City - 18,511
Plymouth Argyle - 16,420
Blackpool - 15,775
Oldham Athletic - 15,087
Doncaster Rovers - 11,964
Oxford United - 11,009
Rotherham United - 10,240
Southend United - 10,024
Bristol Rovers - 9,302
Gillingham - 9,293
Peterborough United - 9,111
Walsall - 7,853
Scunthorpe United - 6,434
Northampton Town - 6,389
Bury - 6,177
Shrewsbury - 5,876
AFC Wimbledon - 4,477 (18k as WFC)
Rochdale - 3,556
Fleetwood Town - 3,522

Obvious flaws such as PL years giving certain clubs inflated attendances, however as a general table it looks fairly accurate in terms of club size?

Blackburn again at the top.

Couldn't have gone a more inaccurate way about it, the best way would have been the overall average instead of the highest in 1 season.

The season we averaged 10k odd we had so many sell outs especially away sell outs it would have been over 12k with a bigger stadium.

 

[UTS]

Couldn't have gone a more inaccurate way about it, the best way would have been the overall average instead of the highest in 1 season.

The season we averaged 10k odd we had so many sell outs especially away sell outs it would have been over 12k with a bigger stadium.

Yeah but you don't have a bigger stadium so that's that?

 

[Reaper]

Yeah but you don't have a bigger stadium so that's that?

Ah well then point proven close this thread down.

 

[SMH]

According to the official UEFA club rankings list, Wigan Athletic are the 98th highest ranked club in European football. No other League One club is currently on the 442 club list. Therefore I think it's safe to say that we are a global force around Europe and far bigger than the rest of you riff raff. End of conversation.....

 

[Camborne Gills]

Oh well, that only took 5 pages!!

 

[rudebwoyben]

Fa Cup wins means jack shit unless you've won it multiple times, just shows anybody could have won it with a bit of luck in those days with the teams thats won it.

Those teams might have been bigger many years ago but you are deluded if you think the likes of Bury, Oxford and Northampton are bigger than us at this moment in time.

So surely the Mighty Millers should have won it once. What is the furthest that Rotherham Utd have advanced in the FA Cup?

 

[RobboPOSH]

Well we're going from playing fully fledged internationals week in week out. To shithouses from Plymouth to Oldham.

The gulf in class is massive. We've got proven league one quality in the side that's been there and done it multiple times with multiple promotions.

To think we will simply sit in mid table sell season is bollocks. The likes of Jon Taylor, Anthony Forde, David Ball and Lee Frecklington to just name a few have proved they're too good for this league before.

Anybody with half decent football knowledge would look at our team and realise that.

If Taylor, Ball, Frecklington and Newell are what you're going to be relying on you'll win this argument next year when it's with Forest Green, Barnet and Morecambe.

As for attendances, if you use a clubs largest average attendance between 1986 and now.. it's as follows:

Blackburn Rovers - 27,714
Charlton Athletic - 26,403
Wigan Athletic - 20,223
Portsmouth - 20,108
Bradford City - 18,511
Plymouth Argyle - 16,420
Blackpool - 15,775
Oldham Athletic - 15,087
Doncaster Rovers - 11,964
Oxford United - 11,009
Rotherham United - 10,240
Southend United - 10,024
Bristol Rovers - 9,302
Gillingham - 9,293
Peterborough United - 9,111
Walsall - 7,853
Scunthorpe United - 6,434
Northampton Town - 6,389
Bury - 6,177
Shrewsbury - 5,876
AFC Wimbledon - 4,477 (18k as WFC)
Rochdale - 3,556
Fleetwood Town - 3,522

Obvious flaws such as PL years giving certain clubs inflated attendances, however as a general table it looks fairly accurate in terms of club size?

Blackburn again at the top.

Northampton could get more with a better capacity stadium.

Speaking of trophies and Europe:

We're one of 6 teams to have won the FL Trophy.
We're the only team in the division to have reached two quarter finals of the Anglo-Italian Cup.

Therefore we are bigger than Northampton which is all that matters.

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

Therefore we are bigger than Northampton which is all that matters.

Surely even Cobblers wouldn't argue with that?

 

[MillerWhale]

It really is boring this bigger club thing is it not? For what it's worth, I think Oxford nudge us purely based on their time in the top flight compared to us only going close on a few occasions and of course the Milk Cup. Rotherham's began in the 70s at a time when football got big and we got left behind by clubs that were on a par. Other than a few brief stints in the second tier, we've never achieved much since as it's harder for us to compete now we've been left behind.

For what it's worth, I think Charlton probably edge it for me of the current league 1 crop, followed by Blackburn due to their Jack Walker stint and Pompey due to their crowds. I suppose Bradford have to come next due to their brief top flight appearances, but their crowds don't stand up to the bigger clubs when they actually have to pay proper money to get in. Next I'd say Bristol Rovers and Plymouth based on catchment area and potential alone, thought neither have achieved much. Oxford then us and then there are mainly small clubs thereafter.

 

[Lance Stoe]

Christ, these Rotherham fans think they are bigger than they are. Oldham and Bury for starters are bigger clubs than you. Both have actually achieved things in the game.

 

[RobboPOSH]

Christ, these Rotherham fans think they are bigger than they are. Oldham and Bury for starters are bigger clubs than you. Both have actually achieved things in the game.

Rotherham are in the same boat with the majority of us, a bang average league one club.

 

[MillerWhale]

Can't decide whether you're joking or not, but being a Scunthorpe fan you're probably just ecstatic to be competing with us in the sae division.

I like Oldham and of course they had a good spell in the top flight, but I think netrals would have to concede we've overtaken them, much like many clubs overtook us in yesteryear.

Bury, no chance. They're lucky to pull in 5k for their local derby.

 

[Reaper]

Christ, these Rotherham fans think they are bigger than they are. Oldham and Bury for starters are bigger clubs than you. Both have actually achieved things in the game.

Ffs it was well over 100 years when Bury won 2 fa cups and nearly 100 years ago when they were top flight when football was totally different in them days.

After that we've rather been on par or above Bury in the league pyramid and seem to attract bigger crowds especially nowadays where we will average over 7k this season and Bury below 4k, also we'll take more than double than what they do away as swell.

Do some proper research instead of just looking at fa cup wins which are nonsense unless your Man Utd or Liverpool who have achieved everything and stop spouting rubbish like us and Wigan are a bottom 4 club which is nonsense.

 

[Lance Stoe]

Happy to be in the same league as Blackburn, Charlton, Pompey etc. Not bothered about being in the same league as you. In the last twelve years we have done better than you without a doubt. Such a big club that gets overshadowed by little Scunny.

 

[MillerWhale]

In the last 12 years we've been in the Championship twice and I'm sure we lasted longer than you both times. It was a travesty you were there in the first place. For the last 5 years or so, we've averaged more than you took to the playoff final.

 

[Reaper]

Rotherham are in the same boat with the majority of us, a bang average league one club.

Can't argue with that, people are saying we think we're bigger than what we are on several posts which is untrue, but at the same time we're not the smallest either.

 

[Lance Stoe]

You were also in League 2 for 7 years. You are a bigger club than us. I'm not arguing that fact. You just aren't bigger than the majority of the clubs in this division like you lot seem to think you are,

 

[MillerWhale]

Other than the ones I mentioned, I've reason to believe we are.

There are plenty bigger, though.

 

[T.A]

Can't decide whether you're joking or not, but being a Scunthorpe fan you're probably just ecstatic to be competing with us in the sae division.

I like Oldham and of course they had a good spell in the top flight, but I think netrals would have to concede we've overtaken them, much like many clubs overtook us in yesteryear.

Bury, no chance. They're lucky to pull in 5k for their local derby.

We got 8,000 for our derby last season on a Monday night and on sky. Apart from that though I agree we aren't bigger than Rotherham.

 

[MillerWhale]

No issue with Bury. Always bring a decent, vocal following to Rotherham and were one of the only clubs that made a racket at Don Valley.

 

[07.05.16]

What a pile of shit this thread is

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

If Taylor, Ball, Frecklington and Newell are what you're going to be relying on you'll win this argument next year when it's with Forest Green, Barnet and Morecambe.



Northampton could get more with a better capacity stadium.

Speaking of trophies and Europe:

We're one of 6 teams to have won the FL Trophy.
We're the only team in the division to have reached two quarter finals of the Anglo-Italian Cup.

Therefore we are bigger than Northampton which is all that matters.

Peterborough fans are the most bitter set of fans towards former players.

Jon Taylor was statistically excellent for you, goal scoring wise and with assists.

David Ball again scored a load of goals with a load of assists last season in a play off side, again his record for you isn't bad at all.

Lee Frecklington would walk into any side in this division and the level headed on this forum would agree. He's been immense for us since joining, quite frankly it's fucking pathetic the way your lot harp on about him after what he's done for us.

Same goes for Joe Newell, was fantastic when he joined us in the championship and had a bad season last year with injuries. QPR are still after him but fuck me a few scrubbers from Peterborough say he's shit so he must be.

All four of those players would get in any team in this division infact. I'll say that confidently including Blackburn as they signed Smallwood and Lee Frecklington who is a thousands times the player Smallwood could ever hope to be.

So breaking it down, you're either talking shite or you actually know fuck all about football? Either way, the constant comments from Peterbrough fans about the likes of Newell and Frecklington are genuinely pathetic.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

You were also in League 2 for 7 years. You are a bigger club than us. I'm not arguing that fact. You just aren't bigger than the majority of the clubs in this division like you lot seem to think you are,

We are definitely in the top 12 in the league, which would class us as being bigger than the majority, if you understand Maths.

(We're higher than 12th, just used that number to disprove your point quickly).

 

[RobboPOSH]

Jon Taylor is a good player but is too injury prone.
Newell can be good but I question his mental attributes.
David Ball came across as a good finisher but was miles behind what we had at the time.
Frecklington is not one of the best midfielders in this division, he's average to good at best.

 

[UTS]

Ffs it was well over 100 years when Bury won 2 fa cups and nearly 100 years ago when they were top flight when football was totally different in them days.

After that we've rather been on par or above Bury in the league pyramid and seem to attract bigger crowds especially nowadays where we will average over 7k this season and Bury below 4k, also we'll take more than double than what they do away as swell.

Do some proper research instead of just looking at fa cup wins which are nonsense unless your Man Utd or Liverpool who have achieved everything and stop spouting rubbish like us and Wigan are a bottom 4 club which is nonsense.

I'm not debating Rotherham are a bigger club than us these days, new stadium, bigger fanbase etc. But as for the comments about us, we haven't had a good season in this league for about 20 years (when we won it, funnily enough). We averaged 3,870 last season after losing 12 in a row and finishing 19th. Have a decent season and I think we could comfortably average over 4K.

Also our away support compared to home gates is one the best. We will probably average 550-600 away fans, will Rotherham be doubling that? I can't see it myself.

Everyone always says about our history being 100 years old etc, but it still happened and we still have one of the richest histories in this league based on the early years alone. If it was so easy back then, why can only a few clubs in this league claim to have a better history in that period?

A world record that still stands today for an FA cup winning score and the first team to score 1,000 goals in each of the top 4 tiers (2005) must count for something?

 

[Soup Ladle]

Yes yes before anyone tells me to fuck off to the non league forum, I must say I find it highly amusing how high an opinion Rotherham fans have of their own club's standing

Standard L1 sized club if ever I can think of one. And the margins between how 'big' Rotherham are and others they consider below them is really quite minimal. If Rotherham were to find themselves in L2, no offence, I have nowt against the Millers, but no one would bat an eyelid.

 

[K-Win]

What a pile of shit this thread is

I second that emotion, but I will concede that it has livened up this long post/pre-season.