Championship Managerial Changes

[Ciderup]

Monk and Sherwood shortlisted and ended up with Lee Johnson?

Hahaha so they both fucked you off and you ended up with Plan C because there's no way in hell Johnson would have been first choice out of those.

The story was that Sherwood turned up for an interview and expected to be offered the job there and then. He threw his toys out of the pram and stormed off! How much truth there is in that, I don't know but that was the story at the time.

 

[JJH]

Monk and Sherwood shortlisted and ended up with Lee Johnson?

Hahaha so they both fucked you off and you ended up with Plan C because there's no way in hell Johnson would have been first choice out of those.

Yes. Both Monk and Sherwood were interviewed. Neither were offered the job.

I don't know why you speak of them as some sort of prestigious head coaches who have a high stock - all three have never won anything in the game. I didn't want any of them three, but Johnson was the preference.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Yes. Both Monk and Sherwood were interviewed. Neither were offered the job.

I don't know why you speak of them as some sort of prestigious head coaches who have a high stock - all three have never won anything in the game. I didn't want any of them three, but Johnson was the preference.

Gary Monk did a cracking job at Swansea, there's no way in hell you would have offered Johnson the job unless Monk fucked you off (despite you claiming he wanted the job).

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

The story was that Sherwood turned up for an interview and expected to be offered the job there and then. He threw his toys out of the pram and stormed off! How much truth there is in that, I don't know but that was the story at the time.

Don't blame him to be fair, to go from Spurs and FA cup finals with Villa to having to be interviewed by a relegation threatened championship side would send anybody over.

 

[Ciderup]

Gary Monk did a cracking job at Swansea, there's no way in hell you would have offered Johnson the job unless Monk fucked you off (despite you claiming he wanted the job).

I'm not even sure we offered the job to Monk. Maybe he wanted to wait for a job in the Prem? The fans wanted Monk but we will never know if it was offered to him.

 

[JJH]

Gary Monk did a cracking job at Swansea, there's no way in hell you would have offered Johnson the job unless Monk fucked you off (despite you claiming he wanted the job).

He was shortlisted and interviewed, at any other club I'm sure Johnson wouldn't have come into consideration and LJ has his links here. I don't think Monk did that well at Swansea, their fans certainly weren't happy after the first season. We didn't offer Monk the job as I said, he was one of the three shortlisted and interviewed.

Believe what you like, I don't blame you for not believing anyone on a managerial situation after the horrendous tip-off you got re: Warnock.

 

[Madejski]

Really don't see the appeal of Monk, he had one good season piggy-backing off what previous managers had done at Swansea, then when it came to his second season having to do more of it himself, there was a massive drop off.

Not to mention that it was with a club/team who he knew very well having been at Swansea for years. How will he cope with a new set of challenges he has no familiarity with?

I'd imagine he'll get a Championship job somewhere eventually, but I wouldn't want to risk that much of an unproven manager at Reading.

 

[JJH]

Really don't see the appeal of Monk, he had one good season piggy-backing off what previous managers had done at Swansea, then when it came to his second season having to do more of it himself, there was a massive drop off.

Not to mention that it was with a club/team who he knew very well having been at Swansea for years. How will he cope with a new set of challenges he has no familiarity with?

I'd imagine he'll get a Championship job somewhere eventually, but I wouldn't want to risk that much of an unproven manager at Reading.

Neither me, hence what I said yesterday about him having the one season and ruining the typical 'Swansea approach' that they've adopted since being in the PL.

I didn't want him, LJ or Sherwood; but I can't fault LJ as of yet.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

He was shortlisted and interviewed, at any other club I'm sure Johnson wouldn't have come into consideration and LJ has his links here. I don't think Monk did that well at Swansea, their fans certainly weren't happy after the first season. We didn't offer Monk the job as I said, he was one of the three shortlisted and interviewed.

Believe what you like, I don't blame you for not believing anyone on a managerial situation after the horrendous tip-off you got re: Warnock.

Horrendous tip off? Common knowledge he decided against the move last minute and has even come out and said it himself.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Really don't see the appeal of Monk, he had one good season piggy-backing off what previous managers had done at Swansea, then when it came to his second season having to do more of it himself, there was a massive drop off.

Not to mention that it was with a club/team who he knew very well having been at Swansea for years. How will he cope with a new set of challenges he has no familiarity with?

I'd imagine he'll get a Championship job somewhere eventually, but I wouldn't want to risk that much of an unproven manager at Reading.

Monk kept the club up in his first season, Laudrup didn't do a good job that year, he had nothing to piggy back off.

Had the full 2014-15 season and they finished 8th.

Finished with a 37% win ratio in the PL with Swansea and there's people in this division who think he's not good enough to manage their club in the Championship? Wow.

 

[JJH]

Horrendous tip off? Common knowledge he decided against the move last minute and has even come out and said it himself.

Are you going to provide a link for that? Or is it more rubbish you've made up like last night when there was this supposed video of a Barnsley fan being stabbed by a Millwall fan, yet when asked for a link you unsurpisingly vanished...

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Are you going to provide a link for that? Or is it more rubbish you've made up like last night when there was this supposed video of a Barnsley fan being stabbed by a Millwall fan, yet when asked for a link you unsurpisingly vanished...

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...nd-about-rotherham-job_sto5577047/story.shtml

 

[JJH]

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...nd-about-rotherham-job_sto5577047/story.shtml

Where's he off too then?

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Hibs have given us permission to talk to Stubbs. Get in.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Where's he off too then?

He'll be end up upstairs with us. Should have been next season but he doesn't seem to have any takers.

 

[blademan89]

Hibs have given us permission to talk to Stubbs. Get in.

Would you honestly be happy with him he's failed miserably in the league with hibs. Not sure it would be a forward move for him either unless you start spending outrageous sums of money all he can ever achieve is survival.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Would you honestly be happy with him he's failed miserably in the league with hibs. Not sure it would be a forward move for him either unless you start spending outrageous sums of money all he can ever achieve is survival.

He's been very unlucky, the two seasons they've had down there have been spent with Hearts in the first season and Rangers in the second, he'd have promoted them without those being there.

The Scottish FA cup win was a sign of what he can do.

Plus he can bring Cummings, Stokes and McGinn with him for me,

 

[MJA]

So you're basically saying that because he had a bit of competition from real football clubs not just some pub sides he failed. That bodes well for a move to the Championship then

 

[blademan89]

He's been very unlucky, the two seasons they've had down there have been spent with Hearts in the first season and Rangers in the second, he'd have promoted them without those being there.

The Scottish FA cup win was a sign of what he can do.

Plus he can bring Cummings, Stokes and McGinn with him for me,

I agree about not winning the league but he didn't even get 2nd spot this year. He's been brilliant in the cups though getting to both finals. Stokes is awful I don't know about the other 2 but I'd guess your 1st 11 is better than all there players. Thinking on I suppose if I was a Rotherham fan it's worth a go. You've got to spend money though or you may as well not bother. Sure you know that though

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

So you're basically saying that because he had a bit of competition from real football clubs not just some pub sides he failed. That bodes well for a move to the Championship then

Real football clubs who had more £ to spend. Think their squads been mainly loans and frees yet still had them competing and achieving a 58% win ratio and cup win along the way.

 

[MJA]

Real football clubs who had more £ to spend. Think their squads been mainly loans and frees yet still had them competing and achieving a 58% win ratio and cup win along the way.

You mean like Falkirk?

So what you're basically telling us all is that Stubbs failed to compete against teams who spent a bit of money. Is he not going to face that on a grander scale in a much more competitive league in the Championship?

And as for win ratios, they mean little when managing a decent side club in Scotland. In fact looking at the teams he would have faced, I would say 58% is pretty poor

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

I agree about not winning the league but he didn't even get 2nd spot this year. He's been brilliant in the cups though getting to both finals. Stokes is awful I don't know about the other 2 but I'd guess your 1st 11 is better than all there players. Thinking on I suppose if I was a Rotherham fan it's worth a go. You've got to spend money though or you may as well not bother. Sure you know that though

Cummings and McGinn are good young players who would easily get in out 11, Stokes would as well to be fair. We've not a decent forward line since being in league two under Ronnie Moore.

We'll have more money to spend but it's got to be spent wisely, it's not been spent correcfly the last two seasons and we've suffered for that. Tony Stewart's probably seen what Stubbs has done with the resources he's had and think he can do a similarly good job here.

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

You mean like Falkirk?

So what you're basically telling us all is that Stubbs failed to compete against teams who spent a bit of money. Is he not going to face that on a grander scale in a much more competitive league in the Championship?

And as for win ratios, they mean little when managing a decent side club in Scotland. In fact looking at the teams he would have faced, I would say 58% is pretty poor

Said this before on here money only gets you so far in the championship, we beat 5 of the top 6 this season who will have spent millions between them, it's consistency which separates the top from the bottom. As a Port Vale fan you wouldn't know.

Yeah only beat pub sides. Apart from both Celtic and Rangers.

You beat what's in front of you and Stubbs wins a game more often that not, simple as that.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

Stubbs would be daft to go to Rotherham and Rotherham would be daft to go for Stubbs. Awful match, he might as well stay at Hibernian and get a promotion on his CV.

 

[JJH]

Said this before on here money only gets you so far in the championship, we beat 5 of the top 6 this season who will have spent millions between them, it's consistency which separates the top from the bottom. As a Port Vale fan you wouldn't know.

Yeah only beat pub sides. Apart from both Celtic and Rangers.

You beat what's in front of you and Stubbs wins a game more often that not, simple as that.

Sorry to be a pedant, but you didn't beat either Burnley or Derby...

 

[StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy]

Sorry to be a pedant, but you didn't beat either Burnley or Derby...

That 3-3 felt like I win.

 

[blademan89]

Sorry to be a pedant, but you didn't beat either Burnley or Derby...

Felt like a win though that draw against derby for them

 

[Reaper]

Stubbs would be daft to go to Rotherham and Rotherham would be daft to go for Stubbs. Awful match, he might as well stay at Hibernian and get a promotion on his CV.

No logic to that statement whatsoever, English championship is a huge step up from the Scottish championship in terms of standard. If he wants to have a good management career he needs a bit of stepping stone every now and then and Rotherham is the perfect club for him to step up to a new level while we currently in the championship. If he does well for Rotherham in the championship then his next job will be a high profile job which hes never gonna jump straight into from Hibs.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

No logic to that statement whatsoever, English championship is a huge step up from the Scottish championship in terms of standard. If he wants to have a good management career he needs a bit of stepping stone every now and then and Rotherham is the perfect club for him to step up to a new level while we currently in the championship. If he does well for Rotherham in the championship then his next job will be a high profile job which hes never gonna jump straight into from Hibs.

You have a small budget and you are punching above your weight, he's more likely to end up getting relegated with you.

 

[Reaper]

You have a small budget and you are punching above your weight, he's more likely to end up getting relegated with you.

Well if he did get us relegated then hes found out what level hes at management, its a shit or bust situation which he needs to take to further his career, hes not gonna wanna stay in that micky mouse league all his career.