Ched Evans to sign for Chesterfield

[TheMinsterman]

Hopefully people will leave him the fuck alone and let him make up time on his career now. If I was him I'd be suing for loss of earnings and prison time for a crime he's been found innocent of.

Suing who? The woman? The "crown"?

 

[spireite]

He is innocent, as he has been proved innocent in a court of law.

He is, however, quite obviously guilty of being an utter c***.

This is pretty much it. What I've always been saying.

 

[spireite]

Suing who? The woman? The "crown"?

No idea. Whatever the precedent is in situations where an innocent man has been put away.

I still can't believe his girlfriend and her family have stood by him so much through all this though. My missus would have given me my marching orders straight away

 

[Hurrikeen]

He is innocent, as he has been proved innocent in a court of law.

He is, however, quite obviously guilty of being an utter c***.

He's not been proven innocent. He's been proven not guilty.

There's a difference.

That being said, Evans is free to get on with his life now. Something he hasn't been able to do for quite some time.

 

[Stevencc]

He's not been proven innocent. He's been proven not guilty.

There's a difference.

That being said, Evans is free to get on with his life now. Something he hasn't been able to do for quite some time.

Is he?

He won't be able to cross the road, or visit his local supermarket, without legions of "lads" shouting words like "legend" at him.

That's no life.

 

[TheMinsterman]

No idea. Whatever the precedent is in situations where an innocent man has been put away.

I still can't believe his girlfriend and her family have stood by him so much through all this though. My missus would have given me my marching orders straight away

This isn't all specifically directed at you it's worth noting before I begin but...

He hasn't been proven "innocent", as others have mentioned, he's been declared not guilty on the basis of the evidence provided. It isn't the same as somebody been sent down for murder and later getting exonerated due to new evidence (forensic etc) and subsequently compensated for wrongful incarceration.

The major difference is this re-trial ignored established safeguards and allowed testimony from her former sexual partners as a means of discrediting her, a dangerous precedent. I'm hardly a die-hard feminist, I completely disagree with the assertion that an accusation is essentially gospel and some of the troubling affronts to due process on university campuses for example, but allowing defendants to march former lovers out and insinuate that because she has engaged in certain consensual acts previously it means that this time must have been too is a dangerous thing to do. I'd feel the same if I was assaulted by a woman and then had a parade of my ex's sat in a dock discussing our sex lives in an attempt to paint me as a massive slut to completely discredit me enough to create a reasonable doubt

As for the fact she had sex after the assault? So. Fucking. What. Some people process trauma differently to others, again it's just insinuating she's a whore to discredit her.

Maybe what he did was not rape, but it doesn't de facto mean she warrants the disgusting crap spread about her. If this really is an unfortunate sexual encounter and a huge misunderstanding then NEITHER of them deserve to be dragged through the mud, INCLUDING her.

 

[spireite]

This isn't all specifically directed at you it's worth noting before I begin but...

He hasn't been proven "innocent", as others have mentioned, he's been declared not guilty on the basis of the evidence provided. It isn't the same as somebody been sent down for murder and later getting exonerated due to new evidence (forensic etc) and subsequently compensated for wrongful incarceration.

The major difference is this re-trial ignored established safeguards and allowed testimony from her former sexual partners as a means of discrediting her, a dangerous precedent. I'm hardly a die-hard feminist, I completely disagree with the assertion that an accusation is essentially gospel and some of the troubling affronts to due process on university campuses for example, but allowing defendants to march former lovers out and insinuate that because she has engaged in certain consensual acts previously it means that this time must have been too is a dangerous thing to do. I'd feel the same if I was assaulted by a woman and then had a parade of my ex's sat in a dock discussing our sex lives in an attempt to paint me as a massive slut to completely discredit me enough to create a reasonable doubt

As for the fact she had sex after the assault? So. Fucking. What. Some people process trauma differently to others, again it's just insinuating she's a whore to discredit her.

Maybe what he did was not rape, but it doesn't de facto mean she warrants the disgusting crap spread about her. If this really is an unfortunate sexual encounter and a huge misunderstanding then NEITHER of them deserve to be dragged through the mud, INCLUDING her.

What's been spread about her? Has her name even been released? Not that I'm saying it should be of course, but I'm not sure her name has been dragged through the mud when no fucker knows who she is

 

[Shrimpurh]

He's bound to give us a roasting tomorrow

 

[TheMinsterman]

What's been spread about her? Has her name even been released? Not that I'm saying it should be of course, but I'm not sure her name has been dragged through the mud when no fucker knows who she is

Legally by a public body? No, in fact she's legally entitled to anonymity. Yet it's been released numerous times, she's been hounded numerous times and had to assume new identities.

Even without her name you only need look at discussions about this case to see how people have talked about her.

 

[Super_horns]

Just read somewhere that at first the girl involved didn't even report the incident at first but was encouraged to...

Is that right?

 

[localhero]

Legally by a public body? No, in fact she's legally entitled to anonymity. Yet it's been released numerous times, she's been hounded numerous times and had to assume new identities.

Even without her name you only need look at discussions about this case to see how people have talked about her.

It's only a matter of time before her name, contact details etc are made public again now that he's found not guilty. I've been on Twitter for about two minutes and already seen plenty of tweets claiming she should be locked up, pay compensation, be generally named and shamed. Absolute morons.

 

[blademan89]

Legally by a public body? No, in fact she's legally entitled to anonymity. Yet it's been released numerous times, she's been hounded numerous times and had to assume new identities.

Even without her name you only need look at discussions about this case to see how people have talked about her.

I mentioned her shagging another bloke earlier 2 weeks after but in fairness to her she never once said she was raped all she's ever said is she was bolloxed and can't remember nothing. which is why I find it more bizarre he was ever convicted as well. You put it perfect I think " a unfortunate sexual encounter and huge misunderstanding ". It's had a huge effect on both there lives. People on the Internet slagging either of them off are now proved to be all wrong.

 

[CFC91]

Just read somewhere that at first the girl involved didn't even report the incident at first but was encouraged to...

Is that right?

She reported he bag missing. Think it was the Police who suggested she may have been raped.. they have a lot to answer for.

Glad justice has been served, was always quite sure it would. He is now free to get on with his career (hopefully with us) and move on..

 

[Ellis]

I mentioned her shagging another bloke earlier 2 weeks after but in fairness to her she never once said she was raped all she's ever said is she was bolloxed and can't remember nothing. which is why I find it more bizarre he was ever convicted as well. You put it perfect I think " a unfortunate sexual encounter and huge misunderstanding ". It's had a huge effect on both there lives. People on the Internet slagging either of them off are now proved to be all wrong.

Because it can be rape where the victim is too drunk or intoxicated to give consent. Likely when she was describing what happened, and the fact she had blacked out, the Police/CPS felt there was a case for Ched Evans to answer in regards to the woman (in their belief) being unable to give consent. The CPS in some ways operate separately to the victim and decide based on evidence to bring a case forward, its not a case of the victim's choice to take something to court or not like in the States.

The police would have more to answer for if they didn't investigate the possibility of a rape charge when a woman goes to them saying she can't remember how she woke up in a hotel room naked with no recollection of the night.

Interesting that the appeal case in deciding the re-trial allowed the use of witnesses to testify in regards to her sexual activity/history. There are strict statutory rules where this evidence can be permitted, and prima facie, would be rejected.

I wonder if the CCRC/CA will publish the original hearing now the retrial is concluded as that will be interesting reading from a legal perspective of allowing the new evidence, as it's certainly breaking precedent.

 

[valefan16]

I'd just hope he mans up now and treats his missus better, how much she's gone through and to still stick by him is unreal and deserves better... she's nuts to stick with him but if she loves him that much then let's hope he realises what he has!

 

[jacobncfc]

I still find it very difficult to have any sort of sympathy for Evans, to be honest. It's not my job to decide whether what he did was criminal or not, but morally I'd have no problem at all if it was. The guy's actions were utterly vile.

 

[pontoonlew]

I still find it very difficult to have any sort of sympathy for Evans, to be honest. It's not my job to decide whether what he did was criminal or not, but morally I'd have no problem at all if it was. The guy's actions were utterly vile.

You think somebody deserves to go to jail, be hounded by the media after his release because he had a threesome?

People are underestimating in this thread just how much affect this has had on Evans. He's had a promising career affected, lost his freedom and his reputation ruined. It could've happened to any of us (if any of us are famous enough to be accused) and people still class Evans as the 'bad guy' in all of this.

 

[Craig]

It could've happened to any of us (if any of us are famous enough to be accused) and people still class Evans as the 'bad guy' in all of this.

Speak for yourself. Personally though I don't go around shagging unconscious women.

 

[jacobncfc]

You think somebody deserves to go to jail, be hounded by the media after his release because he had a threesome?

People are underestimating in this thread just how much affect this has had on Evans. He's had a promising career affected, lost his freedom and his reputation ruined. It could've happened to any of us (if any of us are famous enough to be accused) and people still class Evans as the 'bad guy' in all of this.

I've never even considered shagging a barely conscious girl I'd never even spoken to, so no, it couldn't have happened to me. I've got a vaguely functional moral compass.

 

[blademan89]

Speak for yourself. Personally though I don't go around shagging unconscious women.

Only 3 people no for sure how drunk she was , wether she was conscious enough and wether she was more than happy to have sex. Your just as bad as the morons who slag her off all the time by claiming ched has shagged an unconscious woman. Something you don't know whatsoever.

 

[blademan89]

I've never even considered shagging a barely conscious girl I'd never even spoken to, so no, it couldn't have happened to me. I've got a vaguely functional moral compass.

You are the same you have absolutely no idea how conscious she was or what went on in there.

 

[jacobncfc]

You are the same you have absolutely no idea how conscious she was or what went on in there.

It's a fair point, for all I know they had a game of monopoly.

 

[Craig]

Only 3 people no for sure how drunk she was , wether she was conscious enough and wether she was more than happy to have sex. Your just as bad as the morons who slag her off all the time by claiming ched has shagged an unconscious woman. Something you don't know whatsoever.

I'm free to make my own assumptions then, like you.

 

[ValiantRob]

The witnesses were allowed as they also said she had seemed fit to consent and in fact taking the lead in the sex but in the morning said she couldn`t remember anything much the same as happned in this case. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty which means he is innocent.

 

[Craig]

In this country you are innocent until proven guilty which means he is innocent.

So were you saying he was guilty a couple of years ago then?

 

[TractorBoys]

What a shocker how this turned out... Unanimous jury verdict. Surprise surprise.

/sarcasm.

 

[Stevencc]

Good on the jury.

#twelvehornylads

 

[Sheffsteel]

The thing I find weird is that the girl never knew she was raped until the legal system told her.

Now the same legal system is telling her she wasn't raped.
She has no recollection so hasn't a clue if she was raped or not.

So in perverse way at least she can now sleep easier knowing she wasn't a rape victim. The whole case is a bit of a mess and an embarrassment to all parties, Ched, the girl and the legal system.

 

[Soup Ladle]

Just following the case this week, it was clear that his case this time was much stronger and I expected him to be cleared. Having served on a jury in a trial that had us talking for almost two days, to be cleared in two hours suggests the crown's case was much weaker. I think the right decision's been made like, his behaviour was very poor and he was lucky his missus stood by him, but I don't think he's a rapist. I think 2.5 years inside getting yelled at, threatened (which he would've been), possibly even assaulted has been punishment enough and time to leave him alone to get on with life. As much as an opportunistic sleazy twat he is, he hasn't deserved that.

 

[The Mustard Tiger]

What a mess of a case. He's still a rapist. The fact that Ched himself said he didn't speak to the woman before, during or afterwards makes the whole thing creepy as fuck.