Confirmed transfers 2018/19 edition

[Renegade]

Is that Klopp quote doing the rounds genuine? The one about how he hates spending money or some shit?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...a-signing-day-football-m-not-job-anymore.html

Ignore that it's The Daily Hate, those were his words two years ago. I think Klopp has accepted that this is the new reality of club football at the highest club.

 

[Nilsson]

"I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money."

Very funny.

Good signing though, strengthened an area they've had problems with for ages. Should help him finally win something at Liverpool.

 

[G.B]

What can he win, realistically? The league is out of reach imo and we all know what will happen if he makes it to a cup final.

 

[SALTIRE]

No depth cost us the last two finals and the league cup against City was the toss of a coin on pens. Think this could be the squad to get over the line in something at least.

 

[G.B]

The league? Call it Salty mate. No balls.

 

[Bilo]

The league? Call it Salty mate. No balls.

I have never been more optimistic about our chances of winning the league going into a season.

For context, I have never been optimistic about our chances of winning the league going into a season.

Ps. We were doing fine in the CL-final until we had to replace on-fire Salah with injured for the season Lallana. Klopp has lost three finals with us (other way to read it: has made it to three finals) of which only one can be put on him. City were far, far stronger than us in the 2015 league cup final and we made it to pens, which is what you'd have taken beforehand every day of the week.

 

[SALTIRE]

The league? Call it Salty mate. No balls.

Its certainly the best chance we've had since the PL began. Utd still have to finish their business too though, and will probably spunk £200 mill on getting Zaha back proclaiming him to be the finest winger in the world; so we'll see who looks strong come the start of the season. Think we'll be up there though.

 

[claret50]

Our latest signing, (West Ham Ladies) German international midfielder Julia Simic. A fine example of German womanhood.

 

[Stevencc]

Its certainly the best chance we've had since the PL began. Utd still have to finish their business too though, and will probably spunk £200 mill on getting Zaha back proclaiming him to be the finest winger in the world; so we'll see who looks strong come the start of the season. Think we'll be up there though.

If we spent 200m on Zaha I really don't think you'd have to revise your opinion that Liverpool are in a stronger position than United.

We surely do have to spend some money, though.

 

[G-Dragon]

"I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money."

Very funny.

Good signing though, strengthened an area they've had problems with for ages. Should help him finally win something at Liverpool.

That was pre Neymar transfer. Nowadays 50 million gets you fookin Richarlison lmao.

 

[SALTIRE]

Indeed, Utd were the ones to start this madness with Pogba, so a bit hypocritical from Nilsson, but what else do you expect.

 

[Nilsson]

Indeed, Utd were the ones to start this madness with Pogba, so a bit hypocritical from Nilsson, but what else do you expect.

Hypocritical how? I said it's a good signing. Liverpool needed the player and had the money to meet Roma's valuation. They've been pretty proactive with their transfers lately.

If anyone's hypocritical, it's Klopp. He tried to come across as though he's above it all but he's obviously willing to spend massive on players like everybody else.

 

[Stevencc]

Hypocritical how? I said it's a good signing. Liverpool needed the player and had the money to meet Roma's valuation. They've been pretty proactive with their transfers lately.

If anyone's hypocritical, it's Klopp. He tried to come across as though he's above it all but he's obviously willing to spend massive on players like everybody else.

Jurgen "thriftenheisen" Klopp has shattered two world transfer records in this calender year alone.

One has to wonder...when will this madness end?

 

[Jamie_SFC]

Sofiane Boufal has joined Celta Vigo on loan. Yet another waste of money by the club. Hopefully he performs well enough to spark up some interest next Summer.

 

[G.B]

Jurgen "thriftenheisen" Klopp has shattered two world transfer records in this calender year alone.

One has to wonder...when will this madness end?

He's spent more in this transfer window than he did in 7 years at Dortmund. Are Liverpool FC and Klopp destroying football? In my very honest opinion, yes.

 

[Dirk]

Jurgen "thriftenheisen" Klopp

???

Klopp has shattered two world transfer records in this calender year alone. One has to wonder...when will this madness end?

When he wins another final (or the PL title) , so maybe never

He's spent more in this transfer window than he did in 7 years at Dortmund.

Wow, that's astonishing although the sums aren't comparable anymore. It's all out of proportion now

Are Liverpool FC and Klopp destroying football? In my very honest opinion, yes.

 

[Bilo]

Hypocritical how? I said it's a good signing. Liverpool needed the player and had the money to meet Roma's valuation. They've been pretty proactive with their transfers lately.

If anyone's hypocritical, it's Klopp. He tried to come across as though he's above it all but he's obviously willing to spend massive on players like everybody else.

Up until this window:

Since José Mourinho arrived at Old Trafford, United have spent £312m on players, a net expenditure of £260m. Liverpool in the same period have spent £221m with a profit of £4m.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...fference-between-klopp-and-mourinho-1.3420901

Since then, Klopp made it to the CL-final which obviously meant a lot of extra money for the club. So while we've spent a lot this summer with practically no outgoings (subject to change), saying Klopp is like "everybody else" when he finally spends money having made a net profit up until now is talking out of your arse. Taking us from constant underachievers to CL-finalists with literally a net profit is as far from Mourinho and Guardiola as you can get. The latter two come in and spend a shitload of money, Klopp came in and spent no money until he rightfully earned it through five windows of net profit and an incredible CL-run.

 

[Renegade]

Indeed, Utd were the ones to start this madness with Pogba, so a bit hypocritical from Nilsson, but what else do you expect.

Nilsson isn't being hypocritical because he hasn't (to my knowledge) criticised clubs for spending extortionate amounts of money on individual players. Klopp has.

Up until this window:



https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...fference-between-klopp-and-mourinho-1.3420901

Since then, Klopp made it to the CL-final which obviously meant a lot of extra money for the club. So while we've spent a lot this summer with practically no outgoings (subject to change), saying Klopp is like "everybody else" when he finally spends money having made a net profit up until now is talking out of your arse. Taking us from constant underachievers to CL-finalists with literally a net profit is as far from Mourinho and Guardiola as you can get. The latter two come in and spend a shitload of money, Klopp came in and spent no money until he rightfully earned it through five windows of net profit and an incredible CL-run.

Aside from that, he's also a bit of a hypocrite.

The Mourinho v Klopp net spend stuff is interesting, but Klopp has changed tact in the last 7 months, these signings are a huge departure from what he usually does. As you said, he's a bit of a hypocrite.

 

[Bilo]

The Mourinho v Klopp net spend stuff is interesting, but Klopp has changed tact in the last 7 months, these signings are a huge departure from what he usually does. As you said, he's a bit of a hypocrite.

Yes there's been a change (partially down to selling Coutinho for more than we bought Van Dijk and Alisson for, of course) but he's still nowhere near the likes of Mourinho and Guardiola. He's spending money he's earned, the hypocritical part obviously is that he implied he wouldn't even do that.

 

[Redpelt]

Clearly he's calling to be ostracised from the LMA for rescinding on a earlier shout.

 

[Nilsson]

Up until this window:



https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...fference-between-klopp-and-mourinho-1.3420901

Since then, Klopp made it to the CL-final which obviously meant a lot of extra money for the club. So while we've spent a lot this summer with practically no outgoings (subject to change), saying Klopp is like "everybody else" when he finally spends money having made a net profit up until now is talking out of your arse. Taking us from constant underachievers to CL-finalists with literally a net profit is as far from Mourinho and Guardiola as you can get. The latter two come in and spend a shitload of money, Klopp came in and spent no money until he rightfully earned it through five windows of net profit and an incredible CL-run.

He's broken worldwide transfer records for CB's and GK's. You can try and paint it however you like but he's a big part of the transfer madness.

(partially down to selling Coutinho for more than we bought Van Dijk and Alisson for, of course)

If various clauses are met you break even. Upfront Van Dijk and Alisson cost around £40M more.

You've received massive transfer fees before but not then gone on to make a series of massive signings. I'd say it's more to do with the new influx of TV money. And saying he "earned it" is flawed. Rodgers signed Coutinho and had as big an impact on Coutinho's development as anybody, Klopp just benefited from his good work in that regard.

Keita (£62M), Fabinho (£43M), van Dijk (£75M), Alisson (£67M). Klopp's just collecting top players for outrageous transfer fees, nothing new here.

 

[Bilo]

He's broken worldwide transfer records for CB's and GK's. You can try and paint it however you like but he's a big part of the transfer madness.


If various clauses are met you break even. Upfront Van Dijk and Alisson cost around £40M more.

You've received massive transfer fees before but not then gone on to make a series of massive signings. I'd say it's more to do with the new influx of TV money. And saying he "earned it" is flawed. Rodgers signed Coutinho and had as big an impact on Coutinho's development as anybody, Klopp just benefited from his good work in that regard.

Keita (£62M), Fabinho (£43M), van Dijk (£75M), Alisson (£67M). Klopp's just collecting top players for outrageous transfer fees, nothing new here.

"Paint it any way you like"? I'm not painting it in any way whatsoever, I'm placing facts next to your bullshit comment that he's like everyone else when it comes to spending.

You claim Klopp is a "big part of the transfer madness" that began while he was making a profit in the transfer market. And the prices you quote are fucked, here's transfermarkt on it (usually a good source for this kind of thing): Keita £53.6m, Fabinho £40m, Van Dijk £70m and Alisson £56m. "Coincidentally" you quote a higher price in 4/4 cases.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver...31/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

So really, you're the one painting here and you end the post with four players all signed within the past seven months saying "nothing new here". New is exactly what it is, and several windows of profit is the reason.

TL;DR: you're bending over backwards to prove a narrative that is bullshit.

 

[Nilsson]

"Paint it any way you like"? I'm not painting it in any way whatsoever, I'm placing facts next to your bullshit comment that he's like everyone else when it comes to spending.

Once again, he's broken worldwide transfer records for CB's and GK's. You can try and paint it however you like but he's a big part of the transfer madness.

You claim Klopp is a "big part of the transfer madness" that began while he was making a profit in the transfer market. And the prices you quote are fucked, here's transfermarkt on it (usually a good source for this kind of thing): Keita £53.6m, Fabinho £40m, Van Dijk £70m and Alisson £56m.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver...31/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

Everywhere I've read has van Dijk down as £75M: https://www.google.co.uk/search?sou.....1.14.1276.0..0j0i131k1j0i10k1.0.weXODbbenYc
Leipzig finished in a Europa League spot so Keita ended up costing £62M:
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/12/1...liverpool-pay-more-rb-leipzig-star-naby-keita
Most places have Fabinho down as £43.7, and Alisson cost £67M http://www.skysports.com/football/n...son-from-roma-in-record-deal-for-a-goalkeeper

So really, you're the one painting here and you end the post with four players all signed within the past seven months saying "nothing new here". New is exactly what it is, and several windows of profit is the reason.

Nothing new as in it's what most managers at top clubs do.

 

[Bilo]

Once again, he's broken worldwide transfer records for CB's and GK's. You can try and paint it however you like but he's a big part of the transfer madness.

I'm not bloody painting it, I'm pointing out the very relevant context of profits and where the money comes from. There's a world and a half between saving up the money by overperforming and making a profit, as Klopp has, and breaking the worldwide transfer record, period, in your first window in charge, like Mourinho did.

Everywhere I've read has van Dijk down as £75M: https://www.google.co.uk/search?sou.....1.14.1276.0..0j0i131k1j0i10k1.0.weXODbbenYc
Leipzig finished in a Europa League spot so Keita ended up costing £62M:
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/12/1...liverpool-pay-more-rb-leipzig-star-naby-keita
Most places have Fabinho down as £43.7, and Alisson cost £67M http://www.skysports.com/football/n...son-from-roma-in-record-deal-for-a-goalkeeper

Ah yes, the Liverpool insiders of a google search, Sports illustrated and Sky Sports. Nobody really knows of course, I prefer using transfermarkt as they put a lot of time and effort into being accurate and it's the same source for everyone (instead of the constant merry-go-round of fans finding the lowest/higest price quoted depending on preference).

Nothing new as in it's what most managers at top clubs do.

... and Klopp is doing it three years into his tenure after our first back to back CL-appearance since 2009 and first CL-final since 2007. Guardiola spent £50m on Stones before he even took charge of a competitive game.

But fair enough, you're immune to context and can't tell between the spending of Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp. I suppose I can't force you.

 

[SALTIRE]

Hypocritical how? I said it's a good signing. Liverpool needed the player and had the money to meet Roma's valuation. They've been pretty proactive with their transfers lately.

If anyone's hypocritical, it's Klopp. He tried to come across as though he's above it all but he's obviously willing to spend massive on players like everybody else.

50 mill net every year for the last three years, that really is gargantuan...

And Keita cost 53 mill not 62.

 

[Nilsson]

like Mourinho did.

According to Forbes, Manchester United are the second most valuable sports franchise in the world worth $4.12bn. We're going to make big transfers whoever the manager is. Why wouldn't we, where would you rather the money went?

This all started because Klopp said "Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money."

He tried to set himself as some ethical angel, lost in a crazy world. We knew it was bullshit when he said it and now it's been proved. He has no problem using massive funds of money on multiple players. Breaking worldwide records for CB's and GK's is a big deal. He couldn't "do it differently". If the money is available, Klopp will spend it, and why shouldn't he?

I dunno why you're so defensive, Klopp said something stupid, people find it funny. You'll get over it.

 

[G.B]

I have to agree with Nilsson on this tbqph.

 

[Nilsson]

I have to agree with Nilsson on this tbqph.

Cheers

 

[SALTIRE]

He tried to set himself as some ethical angel, lost in a crazy world. We knew it was bullshit when he said it and now it's been proved. He has no problem using massive funds of money on multiple players. Breaking worldwide records for CB's and GK's is a big deal.

He signed a tonne of players in his third season at Dortmund to complete his squad, and he's done so here too - he just has more money available to him and the market (of which Man Utd are a lot to blame) has skyrocketed in the last few seasons. Sure he's bought big on getting a quality CB and keeper (records at that), and is showing he isn't afraid to do so on certain players; but you are conveniently disregarding the great work he and others have done in bringing in bargains and great bits of business elsewhere. The money we've forked out on Mane, Salah, Robbo, Klavan, Gini, Mane, Matip etc, and done what we have has been superb. And all making a profit in his first two summer windows.

He said it last term, there wasn't many players he could improve the squad on, and he has spent big on areas where we are relatively weak on improving that. That's not hypocritical, that's clever business and what more top sides should be doing.

As it stands our net spend over the three years after Ward leaving is around £135 mill. For one of the top ten richest clubs in the world, that's not bad business at all; and instead of finishing 6-8th most of the time, we look to be in a place where we'll be competitive in the league, and Champions League.

 

[Stevencc]

???



When he wins another final (or the PL title) , so maybe never



Wow, that's astonishing although the sums aren't comparable anymore. It's all out of proportion now

"Thriftenheisen" is a very clever kind of portmanteau of my own concoction, combining the English word thrift (the quality of using money and other resources carefully and not wastefully) with the German surname Heisen to sarcastically slag the big hypocrite right off.