Corona league one

[Plumbob]

But L1 has always been a 23 team league this season. Bury had no games scheduled, they’ve never been included in any league table, They’re not getting relegated to L2 so how can they be included in L1 relegation.

I suppose it's simply a question of how you restore the 24 team balance. It's one more up than down. If play offs are not to happen, I think it should be 2 down and 3 up. In a normal season (yes, I know it isn't), the 4th team in L2 are not guaranteed to replaced the side 21st in L1.
That's my logic, and I imagine that of Tranmere people. Of course, others will see things differently. It's possible that those actually making the decisions will too.

 

[Reginald Fodstain]

But L1 has always been a 23 team league this season. Bury had no games scheduled, they’ve never been included in any league table, They’re not getting relegated to L2 so how can they be included in L1 relegation.

So you're saying that league 1 should be kept to 23 teams for the foreseeable future? Why? I obviously want us to stay up, but they surely can't decide the playoffs on PPG... even if it didn't directly affect us, it would make a mockery of the whole system. So, conveniently, to make up the 24 we stay up! It's a mess, isn't it... there will be legal battles flying around left right and centre regardless of what they decide.

And the Gillingham fan is spot on in that it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. It matters a lot to the town of Birkenhead and its people what division its football team plays in though, especially as life is pretty grim at present.

 

[Indian Dan]

Where did I say anything about keeping L1 a 23 team league? All I said was you’re in the bottom 3 and, therefore, replaced by the 3 auto teams in L2. You’re using Bury as a red herring - as if they’re included in the league somehow. They’re not some de facto bottom placed team which makes you 4th bottom.

 

[Huntsman94]

Where did I say anything about keeping L1 a 23 team league? All I said was you’re in the bottom 3 and, therefore, replaced by the 3 auto teams in L2. You’re using Bury as a red herring - as if they’re included in the league somehow. They’re not some de facto bottom placed team which makes you 4th bottom.

Haven't Bury's new found team been placed in the North West Counties for next season? Could argue that technically that is a relegation (of huge proportions granted) but a relegation nevertheless and would then just need the 2 of Bolton and Southend going down.

Either way we'll find out next week and then all hell will truly break loose!

 

[PuB]

Haven't Bury's new found team been placed in the North West Counties for next season? Could argue that technically that is a relegation (of huge proportions granted) but a relegation nevertheless and would then just need the 2 of Bolton and Southend going down.

Either way we'll find out next week and then all hell will truly break loose!

The new Bury club are not a continuation of the old Bury. So no, you couldn’t argue that.

 

[Huntsman94]

The new Bury club are not a continuation of the old Bury. So no, you couldn’t argue that.

Very true that's me being an idiot. Would still maintain that Bury come into the fold of relegation however.

Out of interest what percentage is needed for a method to pass a vote?

 

[Indian Dan]

Seen somewhere it’s 75% - that’s 18 clubs to vote for. That was on FB, mind so it’s not gospel.

 

[Huntsman94]

Seen somewhere it’s 75% - that’s 18 clubs to vote for. That was on FB, mind so it’s not gospel.

Can't see how anything gets the go ahead if that's the case because in League One, if we were on about PPG, you would have Portsmouth, Fleetwood, Peterborough, Wycombe, Sunderland, Doncaster, Ipswich, Tranmere, Southend and Bolton voting against without a doubt.

In League Two you might just get 18 clubs but would be close.

 

[Camborne Gills]

Nothing posted on FB is gospel with regard to this situation.

As for the COVID thing, some of the stuff i have read on there, is beyond stupid.
eg People saying that doctors are putting COVID on death certs, when they have died of other causes, in order to keep the stats artificially high.

 

[Indian Dan]

Can't see how anything gets the go ahead if that's the case because in League One, if we were on about PPG, you would have Portsmouth, Fleetwood, Peterborough, Wycombe, Sunderland, Doncaster, Ipswich, Tranmere, Southend and Bolton voting against without a doubt.

In League Two you might just get 18 clubs but would be close.

I think the consequences will be made apparent to clubs what voiding would mean financially. All most want to do is close up, get the mothballs out and jettison as many players as possible.

 

[Reginald Fodstain]

Where did I say anything about keeping L1 a 23 team league? All I said was you’re in the bottom 3 and, therefore, replaced by the 3 auto teams in L2. You’re using Bury as a red herring - as if they’re included in the league somehow. They’re not some de facto bottom placed team which makes you 4th bottom.

You want three up and three down so 23 minus three plus three is erm... 23

 

[Indian Dan]

Blimey. I give up.

 

[Reremnart]

Blimey. I give up.

Thats for the best because you are digging yourself into a hole supporting an obviously wrong argument...obvious to everybody except you of course.

 

[Luke Imp]

Seen somewhere it’s 75% - that’s 18 clubs to vote for. That was on FB, mind so it’s not gospel.

Yep 75%, although then it goes to a vote in the Championship where it's just a majority needed.

 

[Luke Imp]

What's the point Tranmere fans and Indian Dan are debating over?!

 

[Indian Dan]

I’ll try and be concise.

Tranmere fans think that they are, essentially, 4th bottom of L1 seeing as there are only 23 teams in that league. They seem to be treating Bury as some sort of ghost club that still exist as far as League 1 is concerned and that Bury are 24th and bottom of L1.

They then think that being the highest of the relegated clubs that they should not lose their place to the 4th promoted team from L2 which normally would be the play off winner.

My point is that as they are actually 3rd bottom placed they would be replaced by the 3 teams getting auto promotion from L2 and any 4th team promoted would actually be filling the gap created by Bury’s demise.

Good grief!

 

[Muzzle]

No promotion or relegation without playing the actual games. This "decision" by proxy and PPG is a joke, in my 40 odd years watching football, I have seen outstanding escapes from relegation when teams were dead and buried, and amazing promotion runs when the team was no where near it. If we can't finish the season without playing, null and void it

 

[Indian Dan]

If that’s the case you should still have your points deduction applied to the next season. If any club deserves relegation it’s you lot.

 

[Reginald Fodstain]

I’ll try and be concise.

Tranmere fans think that they are, essentially, 4th bottom of L1 seeing as there are only 23 teams in that league. They seem to be treating Bury as some sort of ghost club that still exist as far as League 1 is concerned and that Bury are 24th and bottom of L1.

They then think that being the highest of the relegated clubs that they should not lose their place to the 4th promoted team from L2 which normally would be the play off winner.

My point is that as they are actually 3rd bottom placed they would be replaced by the 3 teams getting auto promotion from L2 and any 4th team promoted would actually be filling the gap created by Bury’s demise.

Good grief!

Whereas we think that promoting any fourth team would be extremely contentious and unfair to the other teams in the L2 play off places.
Likewise relegating us, considering our recent form, game in hand and that we still had to play the team immediately above us. It's hardly a contentious argument, I don't know what Dan's seeing his arse about really... or where his argument about Bury comes from.

 

[Indian Dan]

You know as well as I do, recent form and game in hand is meaningless.

If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle. My point, yet again, about Bury is that you seem to be think it unfair that you’ll be replaced by the 4th placed team in L2. The facts are that you would be replaced by the top 3 auto position clubs so any waffle about Bury or any 4th promoted team doesn’t enter into the argument. You are in the bottom 3 - end of.

 

[Super_horns]

Are the FA allowing seasons to just be null and voided ?

I did read they wanted some sort of outcome if a league could not be completed ?

 

[Luke Imp]

I’ll try and be concise.

Tranmere fans think that they are, essentially, 4th bottom of L1 seeing as there are only 23 teams in that league. They seem to be treating Bury as some sort of ghost club that still exist as far as League 1 is concerned and that Bury are 24th and bottom of L1.

They then think that being the highest of the relegated clubs that they should not lose their place to the 4th promoted team from L2 which normally would be the play off winner.

My point is that as they are actually 3rd bottom placed they would be replaced by the 3 teams getting auto promotion from L2 and any 4th team promoted would actually be filling the gap created by Bury’s demise.

Good grief!

I can see where you're both coming from.

Under normal circumstances, 21st would be replaced by the PO winners, but as the L1 only has 23 teams this season, the PO team will be the one who even the numbers up rather than replace anyone per se.

The bottom three are replaced the automatically promoted teams and Tranmere are in the bottom three in this anomaly of a season, even if they're 21st.

 

[Huntsman94]

Are the FA allowing seasons to just be null and voided ?

I did read they wanted some sort of outcome if a league could not be completed ?

No one really knows. Hasn't that happened in the lower down leagues? Read for example that a couple of teams had already secured promotion but with their league now being null and void, they won't be promoted!

I think we can all agree that the season will be cancelled it's just how it moves on from there. Have seen Rotherham's Chairman say that he wants teams promoted but none relegated. That's probably the proposal that would sit well with most teams but then you bring in the league's integrity and whether that can be hampered as a result. Everyone's second guessing really and the PPG was only recently mentioned due to the Athletic but never came about from any Owners or official statements from Clubs.

 

[Super_horns]

I guess if there was no relegation then there would have to be more going down next season ?

 

[Muzzle]

If that’s the case you should still have your points deduction applied to the next season. If any club deserves relegation it’s you lot.

Explain why we deserve relegation.

 

[Indian Dan]

Cos you’re shite and 21 points from safety. No way in a million years you’d get out of it. You know it, we all know it so don’t bother with all that ‘it’s still possible’ bollocks.

Another squirming, wriggling on a hook, grasp at any old straw, should have gone bust, sneaky shysters.

 

[Muzzle]

Cos you’re shite and 21 points from safety. No way in a million years you’d get out of it. You know it, we all know it so don’t bother with all that ‘it’s still possible’ bollocks.

Another squirming, wriggling on a hook, grasp at any old straw, should have gone bust, sneaky shysters.

And it has nowt to do with the fact, it would mean you'd be stuck in the division you actually deserve to be in, grasping at any straw to get promoted

 

[Indian Dan]

That wasn’t your point, though. You asked why you deserved to be relegated.

 

[Muzzle]

and you came up with a childish response, which i responded to in kind. My point has nowt to do with me being a Bolton fan, but more with the smple point of promotion and relegation should be earned. There are still between 10 to 12 matches to go, and you know as well as I do anything could happen in those matches. There is no guarantee you could be promoted, as it is very close in your league, same as League One. The league is either played out, or null and voided

 

[Indian Dan]

Again, I haven’t even mentioned us getting promoted. My response was to you suggesting you didn’t deserve to go down.

Yours is the usual, stomach-churning response when there’s a slight chance you can wheedle out of relegation by dint of a disaster.

Makes me sick.