Corona league one

[Muzzle]

And i have said nothing about us staying up. Bolton have said that they will adhere to whatever the EFL decides. You have noted we haven't come out and mentioned litigation as some League one clubs have. For my point (just in case you go off on one), we deserve to go down BUT only if the competition is played out. If the EFL decide to end the season now, then this season should be null and voided. PPG is a convenient but flawed method of deciding results.

 

[Indian Dan]

Look, I’d have more respect if fans of clubs who may benefit from null and void would just come out and admit they may get lucky. They don’t deserve to but they’ll take it, thank you very much. Just say, tough titty to any club who misses out due to a null and void season but I don’t give a shit. All I care about is my club.

We all know that’s what you really think so at least have the bollocks to come out and say it.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

And i have said nothing about us staying up. Bolton have said that they will adhere to whatever the EFL decides. You have noted we haven't come out and mentioned litigation as some League one clubs have. For my point (just in case you go off on one), we deserve to go down BUT only if the competition is played out. If the EFL decide to end the season now, then this season should be null and voided. PPG is a convenient but flawed method of deciding results.

So if the season is null and voided (which it won't be but let's assume it is) you'd almost certainly have to accept minus 12 next season as every club in League One would kick off as the original punishment never existed, surely?

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Are the FA allowing seasons to just be null and voided ?

I did read they wanted some sort of outcome if a league could not be completed ?

FA have said today that seasons will be decided on "sporting merit" and that null and void is off the table.

Premier League have, for the first time today, discussed curtailing the season by method of PPG. Presumably, this is to get the likes of Norwich and Watford in line to vote for Project Restart to be enabled as, if they reject, they're more likely to curtail the season on PPG with immediate effect.

Championship want to continue and have announced one legged semi finals at neutral venues for the playoffs, but the season must end by July 31st. Seasons are expected to resume no earlier than Friday June 12th for both leagues which means training would surely have to restart soon?

L1 and L2s future is set to be decided this week. Nixon says it's almost certain League Two will be abandoned as the vast majority don't want to continue but there are still arguments across the board in League One (presumably Sunderland, Portsmouth, Peterborough and Tranmere are demanding the season be started if possible whereas others want it curtailed) regarding the continuation of the season. All things L1 and L2 may be decided by the end of the week.

And EFL legislation states that if there's no playoff competition in the National League, then the highest placed club not automatically promoted shall be promoted. Which could well apply to the three leagues in the EFL as well given the circumstances we're currently facing.

Those who want null and void, it's not going to happen due to the excessive rebate that the PL is obliged to pay. Newspapers are starting to report this now because too many fans with their heads in the clouds are constantly demanding null and void for one reason or another AND are thinking that Sky and BT will waive the right to £762 million of cash that they're legally owed if the Premier League cannot complete the season. Broadcasters do not get rich through charity after all.

 

[Indian Dan]

Makes you wonder why the Championship can play games BCD at their own grounds but the PL cannot.

Just as much chance of fans turning up at either. Just drop the neutral venues bollocks and get on with relegating Brighton and Bournemouth.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Makes you wonder why the Championship can play games BCD at their own grounds but the PL cannot.

Just as much chance of fans turning up at either. Just drop the neutral venues bollocks and get on with relegating Brighton and Bournemouth.

Genuinely think the main reason is they don't want Liverpool fans celebrating outside of Anfield when the inevitable is confirmed.

But then like you've said, if Leeds got promoted, wouldn't they be doing the same thing outside Elland Road. And how would neutral venues stop fans from doing the same thing anyway?

The lockdown that isn't really a lockdown has now enabled people to go back to work so people are now doing congas in the street and having barbecues thinking it's all over. The neutral venues idea is ridiculous and prevents nothing. So the PL should play games at home grounds if safe and possible to do so.

 

[Muzzle]

So if the season is null and voided (which it won't be but let's assume it is) you'd almost certainly have to accept minus 12 next season as every club in League One would kick off as the original punishment never existed, surely?

If that was the case....then yes. But they couldn't deduct the 12 points again, as it counts as to when you when into administration, which was this season. But has been said above, null and void is off the table, my thoughts are PPG will start court cases by a number of clubs, so the season will end in a mess anyway

 

[Indian Dan]

Clubs will have no money to play let alone start court cases

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

If that was the case....then yes. But they couldn't deduct the 12 points again, as it counts as to when you when into administration, which was this season. But has been said above, null and void is off the table, my thoughts are PPG will start court cases by a number of clubs, so the season will end in a mess anyway

If the vote by clubs is legally binding regarding on how to resolve the season and a majority has passed, I can't see how any club could pursue legal action and not have their case laughed out of Court in all honesty.

 

[Super_horns]

I think we'd be ok on points per game but be close abs that would create a lot of legal claims.

 

[Jerry]

Genuinely think the main reason is they don't want Liverpool fans celebrating outside of Anfield when the inevitable is confirmed.

Any Liverpool fan of a mind to do that will probably still turn up outside Anfield to celebrate even if the game is played elsewhere.

 

[Indian Dan]

If that was the case....then yes. But they couldn't deduct the 12 points again, as it counts as to when you when into administration, which was this season. But has been said above, null and void is off the table, my thoughts are PPG will start court cases by a number of clubs, so the season will end in a mess anyway

But this season won’t exist, will it. It’s either a valid season or it’s not. Make your mind up. Which would prefer - staying in L1 with a 12 point deduction, or dropping to L2 with a clean slate?

 

[Muzzle]

But this season won’t exist, will it. It’s either a valid season or it’s not. Make your mind up. Which would prefer - staying in L1 with a 12 point deduction, or dropping to L2 with a clean slate?

Administration is a legal action, which was taken this season. You can't uplift it and transfer it to another season, it doesn't work like that. The minus 12 points might be something they could do, but again, it was set down by the EFL's own process, so i'm not sure how that would work. It is academic anyway, there will be no null and void so my unerstanding is we are gone, along with Southend and Tranmere. The issue will be will the EFL promote Exeter or Cheltenham from your league

 

[Indian Dan]

The thing is, though, how many of the 72 will actually still exist when ‘normal’ football returns? For all I know we might fold. It’s unrealistic to think things will eventually return to normal. I can see an entire league disappearing - numbers wise.

 

[Muzzle]

The thing is, though, how many of the 72 will actually still exist when ‘normal’ football returns? For all I know we might fold. It’s unrealistic to think things will eventually return to normal. I can see an entire league disappearing - numbers wise.

No idea. Most of us survive off transfers, gate receipts and sponsorship. Can't see any transfers happening as no football, plus any transfers will have to go throgh some sort of quarantine, no fans at matches so no gate receipts, no sponsorship as no football on TV etc. We'll all still have stadiums and pitches to maintain, all clubs will have at least some player still in contract so they will need looking after....you tell me, will clubs be forced to go part time?

 

[Indian Dan]

Part time is probably a good shout. Some decent sides now could easily become National League standard. But, of course, that will cascade down. So, in essence, a lot of us are going to be real crap for a while.

 

[Muzzle]

Plus point, i don't believe players will get the wages they have been getting, especially in the lower leagues

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Plus point, i don't believe players will get the wages they have been getting, especially in the lower leagues

Given the short term nature of L1 and L2 contracts, there's going to be a massive shift in the direction of young squads next season. Dave Artell expects clubs to be fielding 8 or 9 players in a Matchday Lineup (I assume he means the 18 but if it's the 11 then that'll be very radical). This puts players in a difficult position.

Players out of contract will have no choice but to accept reduced wages if they want to stay in the game. For some it'll be the end of their careers, for others they may choose to go overseas to finish their careers. They have to accept after years of having it so good, it'll no longer be possible for contracts to hit the heights they were previously at.

Players on existing contracts could have a nightmare of a season (or two years of hell depending on how long they have left on their current contracts). I'd assume a lot of existing contracts could have generous appearance fees and bonuses that clubs could ill-afford in a post-Corona environment. So these players would be forced to renegotiate or rot as I doubt there's going to be any club at this level capable of paying transfer fees for a while. I think many would sign just for the chance to play football again. But there'll be a tiny minority happy to play no first team football and pocket a high basic wage for a year without playing, which of course, they'd be entitled to do so long as they turned up for training and featured for the reserves.

Although this could put some players in horrible positions if they've spent on a mortgage expecting to be earning £3000-4000 a week at League Two level when they're likely to be on less than half that in a post Corona world, you have to welcome football cutting costs. The fact there are a few high earning players in League One on five figures a week and a few in League Two on wages as high as £8000 a week meant the game was getting ridiculous. Even in non league, you're getting a few players on as high as £4000 a week in the National League and, when Salford and Ebbsfleet were down there, a few on £3000 a week in the NLS/NLN. Wages like this push community clubs to stretch and that's why we've had so many problems in football recently. The league needs its community clubs, not bankrolled shells designed for one man's satisfaction with a tiny fanbase.

The change will be hard during the transition for many as expectations from fans, players, managers and chairmen must be reduced across the board as we embrace newfound austerity, but, if we can scrap EPPP as well which will give us greater autonomy with how we develop our young players, which is unlikely but with someone like Rick Parry behind us we may well have a slight chance, we might just have a very sustainable future on our hands.

 

[Kim Jong Un]

Look, I’d have more respect if fans of clubs who may benefit from null and void would just come out and admit they may get lucky. They don’t deserve to but they’ll take it, thank you very much. Just say, tough titty to any club who misses out due to a null and void season but I don’t give a shit. All I care about is my club.

We all know that’s what you really think so at least have the bollocks to come out and say it.

Spot on, it's always the fans of middling and struggling clubs in the league getting on their high horse with the "null the season" bollocks.

Carry on this season when we finally can and it's safe. Simple. You can't say after over 30 games that it was all for nothing. Grossly unfair.

 

[Camborne Gills]

Null and void should never be an option at any level. There seems to be a consensus amongst fans of PL clubs that the season should be voided, though i suspect it is more about denying Liverpool the title, rather than any safety aspect.

Finish the season asap, and worry about 20/21 later (having scrapped that Trophy monstrosity)

 

[Super_horns]

Yes that is right but UEFA are rushing things as they want plans in place by May 25th so they can sort out their own European competitions.

The FA have suggested a season cannot just be cancelled without some sort of outcome for the season..

 

[Indian Dan]

I’m sorry, but European competitions - whether club or country - should be the last consideration. If individual countries are struggling to organise the finish to their own leagues, how the fuck are pan-European games going to get played.

 

[Boz]

Spot on, it's always the fans of middling and struggling clubs in the league getting on their high horse with the "null the season" bollocks.

Carry on this season when we finally can and it's safe. Simple. You can't say after over 30 games that it was all for nothing. Grossly unfair.

As a fan of a struggling team, albeit one who were showing significant signs of improvement before lockdown, I’d be quite happy to continue the season when it’s possible. This would not be economically feasible behind closed doors for teams at this level.

 

[Super_horns]

I’m sorry, but European competitions - whether club or country - should be the last consideration. If individual countries are struggling to organise the finish to their own leagues, how the fuck are pan-European games going to get played.

Quite true but they want their money of course..

Of course they will say the Euros have to be played next summer too.

 

[Super_horns]

Peterborough chairman gaining some support:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1260994668331962375

 

[Robie]

It's quite a shrewd move by us as when it inevitably comes down to deciding between weighted PPG or straight PPG we will have 5 allies.

 

[Luke Imp]

Given that there have been louder whispers of PO's staying after PPG is sorted, the EFL's stance of PPG and the above stance of the 6 clubs wanting playing on, it sets the vote up quite nicely.

It might only take one team (probably two because Tranmere will presumably want to play on) to break away from that to mess it all up, though.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I've just had a thought. Is the 75% rule definitely for every single vote they do, or just for the season ending?

 

[Luke Imp]

I've just had a thought. Is the 75% rule definitely for every single vote they do, or just for the season ending?

What do you mean?

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

What do you mean?

I gathered the idea from League Two that there'd first be a vote to end the season (which will pass in our league but would obviously need 75%) and then whichever proposal to end it got the largest majority in a second vote would be implemented. Surely the proposal to choose which method to end it though could be solved by a majority of less than 75% was what I meant? As the vast majority would've already voted for a concluded season!

However, given the state League One is in, obviously it won't be as straightforward as that so I shouldn't have commented what I did. They'd have to inter-twine the methods with the ending the season vote to get anything to pass through. So 75% would probably matter a lot more up at your level. Given the continuation of the season is likely to be off the table though, what happens if we're in deadlock way after this vote concludes though? That's the biggest question...