European Union Referendum

[jacobncfc]

They are quite clearly going to betray the referendum and use the parliamentary vote against No Deal to try and justify it. The Tory party needs to be burned to the ground for this.

Surely that horse has bolted and they betrayed the referendum when they voted against the deal? ERG, DUP included.

 

[Laker]

Surely that horse has bolted and they betrayed the referendum when they voted against the deal? ERG, DUP included.

Well the problem is that the deal meant leaving the EU by name only. It’s a remainers’ Brexit deal, and nothing like what anyone campaigned for on the leave side or against on the remain side for that matter. It’s our remain government’s best attempt at keeping us bound to the EU.

It had to be voted against as it was shite.

 

[PuB]

In no way was that a 'remainers deal', it's shockingly bad whatever side you're on. That's why the house won't vote for it.

 

[Fompous Part]

He means remainers' deal in the sense that it was negotiated by politicians and civil servants who would have rather not done it at all, because they think Brexit is a terrible idea.

Some people might wade further into conspiratorial waters and argue that such an obviously shit deal is exactly what you would negotiate if your long term objective was to eventually nix the whole process.

Take your pick: conspiracy or mind-blowing incompetence?

 

[Laker]

Yes that’s what exactly what I mean, it was a deal negotiated by people who don’t want Brexit so therefore are trying to do Brexit by not really doing it.

 

[PuB]

I'm erring on the side of complete incompetence rather than a desire to suppress Brexit.

 

[Laker]

Statement at 8.15 from May..... could be anything couldn’t it? Resignation, long extension, short extension, “fuck it let’s go no deal then” or plans to revoke. Anyone’s guess.

 

[Laker]

Ok so she said nothing. Should have known better.

 

[Guernica]

Another embarrassing day from all sides, shameful.

 

[PuB]

I'm not sure pitting yourself against parliament , and blaming MP's for not voting for the shit deal already, is a very politically intelligent thing to do. Especially as her only plan is to ask them to vote on it again.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

She was right for me on tired public just want it over with.

I voted remain but now just want it over even with no deal so we can get on with moving forward.

We should two years ago decided to leave on no deal but then had two years for us and eu to prepare for it than waste two years for a deal which never could get through whether good or bad due to mass politics from all sides (brexiteer group would accept bother but out, remain would accept nothing but stay, snp would accept nothing English would have created and use it to push independence and labour would accept nothing because it has hoped to use Brexit to force an election)

Don’t like way May has gone about the whole thing, but she could never have got any deal with that many ‘personal’ reasons to vote against a deal

 

[Super_horns]

EU not going to agree to the extension Mrs May wants?

How can she carry on - must have lost the confidence of so many MPs now.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

All part of the plan. Then she will have """""no choice""""" but to revoke Article 50.

 

[smat]

All part of the plan. Then she will have """""no choice""""" but to revoke Article 50.

You're giving her far too much credit. None of this is on purpose. She's just fucking crap.

 

[jacobncfc]

Well the problem is that the deal meant leaving the EU by name only. It’s a remainers’ Brexit deal, and nothing like what anyone campaigned for on the leave side or against on the remain side for that matter. It’s our remain government’s best attempt at keeping us bound to the EU.

It had to be voted against as it was shite.

I don’t particularly like the deal, but it is far closer to what the leave side campaigned for than any other plausible option.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

To remove the threat of No Deal was utterly moronic. It's as good as sending the EU a polite note telling them they definitely, definitely don't need to make any further concessions to get what they want. It's like the Tories deliberately want to negotiate from as weak a position as possible.

 

[PuB]

You know the vote against 'no deal' isn't legally binding as much as I do. It's the default position.

So what's your point?

 

[PuB]

What was utterly moronic was drawing red lines over certain things when May didn't need to, then pointlessly invoking A50 without any plan whatsoever.

 

[Laker]

What was utterly moronic was drawing red lines over certain things when May didn't need to, then pointlessly invoking A50 without any plan whatsoever.

And her being PM in the first place rather than a Brexiteer. But yes, invoking without a plan was quite ridiculous. The rest of the EU asked her on Thursday about plan B (if her deal got rejected again) and she had no answer. Nothing whatsoever. I mean, fuck me.

 

[Gladders]

She might have a plan B, she might not, but if she does she isn't going to broadcast it because then plan A will never get through. Not that it will anyway.

 

[PuB]

Plan B is to do plan A over and over and over again.

Exactly the same as when she was Home Secretary.

 

[Fompous Part]

It's over.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

You know the vote against 'no deal' isn't legally binding as much as I do. It's the default position.

So what's your point?

You really believe they won't use it as a mandate to revoke Article 50?

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

why on earth is this big march today called a 'peoples vote' march when frankly anyone on it has only one view......stop brexit.

Is it again a sheer arrogance like in last vote or with trump that the 'good and light' side will win its eternal victory over the dark evil on t'other side.

If there was a peoples vote and the people voted leave again, will they have to come up with a fresh named march soon after

 

[Fompous Part]

Because something like "Entitled Pricks and Bad Losers Who Only Honour Democracy When It Honours Them (and therefore don’t honour it at all) Vote", doesn’t quite have the same ring to it.

 

[Modernist]

what's more democratic than another vote? It's not like nothing has changed, so many people (both remain and leave) have stated they couldn't have guessed things would turn out like they have, democracy doesn't end with one vote. If it did, we'd elect one government forever.

Now people know the deal...you can vote for it or not.

Having said that I'm not bothered if theres another vote or not, but I can see why some might want one. And I also can see why leavers find it a tough pill to swallow when they see people trying to change the outcome.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

If you (Remainers) were offered Hard Brexit now but another referendum in ten years would you take it?

 

[PuB]

I'd take a no deal exit over May's deal. That's how seriously bad it is.

(Even as a partial remainer)

 

[PuB]

You really believe they won't use it as a mandate to revoke Article 50?

Revoking article 50 doesn't mean we won't leave, it will give someone else a bit more time to sort this utter clusterfuck out though (again, as well you know).

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Revoking article 50 doesn't mean we won't leave, it will give someone else a bit more time to sort this utter clusterfuck out though (again, as well you know).

Not at all. If Article 50 is revoked I'm not confident at all that anyone will invoke it again. Or if they do they could just revoke it once again. This could be dragged on for years on end until such a time comes that they can bin the entire thing without much cost. Almost the entire mainstream political establishment in the UK are globalists. If they can see an avenue to betray the referendum then I believe they'll take it.