European Union Referendum

[Ebeneezer Goode]

All this talk of armageddon is obviously bollocks, but I am genuinely shocked about this. There will be a great deal of uncertainty in the coming weeks and months, but there's absolutely no reason why we can't prosper in the long-term.

Yet saying that, that's the Prime Minister gone. Surely Osborne will be gone soon, as will Corbyn (hopefully). Scotland will be independent soon as well. SO MUCH CHANGE.

I really, really don't think that's going to happen. As of the last poll I saw on the issue most Scots didn't even want another referendum in the event of a Leave vote, much less support independence. With the time between now and when we actually leave, there'll be plenty of time for SNP bluster to calm down and plenty of justification for Westminster to deny their referendum anyway. The first one was only granted based on the agreement that it was a once in a generation thing after all.

 

[SUTSS]

This is a significant change though so I don't think we can take Scottish opinion from a couple of months ago and apply it today. Every area of Scotland voted one way and that will make the independence case stronger. Maybe it won't be quite enough but I don't think we can be certain of that. Don't think any opinion poll taken in the next couple of days would be valid either as the emotions will be running too high (although as we have seen opinion polls can be pretty misleading anyway).

The global economy never really recovered from the last recession and a lot of economists have been predicting a second one, could we have just taken the world down with us? (before the Chinese managed to do it)

 

[Red]

I really, really don't think that's going to happen. As of the last poll I saw on the issue most Scots didn't even want another referendum in the event of a Leave vote, much less support independence. With the time between now and when we actually leave, there'll be plenty of time for SNP bluster to calm down and plenty of justification for Westminster to deny their referendum anyway. The first one was only granted based on the agreement that it was a once in a generation thing after all.

Perhaps when they experience the consequences of leaving their opinions might change.

 

[The Unbeliever]

God this is so depressing, we just can't stop acting like a bunch of Monkeys. We just can't resist it when a bunch of grubby little corporals jump up and point the finger and say it's "that's lot fault". The way we are going we will be back to city states before long.

 

[Red]

Why did you capitlise the monkeys?

 

[AFCB_Mark]

I expect the Scots to have another referendum at some point.
But I would like to hope that it can be put off for a few years or so, so that everyone better knows what our relationship with Europe will actually look like. And then the Scots can know what they're actually voting for or against. No point in the Scots going all knee-jerk.

It's quite funny in a way, how the line from the SNP has always been about not wanting to be ruled or governed by London. Yet London was about the only bit of England and Wales that voted Remain en mass, in agreement with Scotland.

 

[Pagnell]

What's the chances of Gideon fucking off too?

 

[blade1889]

Has anybody seen CEngel thingy?

It's a whole heap of uncertainty in the country. I don't think it will go well but I cross my fingers and hope it will.

 

[Aber gas]

What will be interesting moving forward politically is the arguments used when things go wrong. Can't get a GP appointment or your library has shut down ? Foreign types and those faceless EU wankers innit..... Oh wait

 

[GodsGift]

I really, really don't think that's going to happen. As of the last poll I saw on the issue most Scots didn't even want another referendum in the event of a Leave vote, much less support independence. With the time between now and when we actually leave, there'll be plenty of time for SNP bluster to calm down and plenty of justification for Westminster to deny their referendum anyway. The first one was only granted based on the agreement that it was a once in a generation thing after all.

Well Sturgeon has just said legislation to hold a second referendum will be prepared...

 

[The Unbeliever]

Why did you capitlise the monkeys?

Just to make it STAND OUT.
It's a fact the more you hear something the more inclined we are to believe it, democracy equating to freedom is bull####, we hear it so often we believe it, in a similar way to women being safer drivers.

 

[Red]

What will be interesting moving forward politically is the arguments used when things go wrong. Can't get a GP appointment or your library has shut down ? Foreign types and those faceless EU wankers innit..... Oh wait

Exactly, it'll be the fault of the brown people then.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

Seems to be some chatter that London will not accept being dominated by the inbreds of England and will negotiate something independtly, is that possible? Would be fantastic if true and hopefully all the cities who voted IN can do something similar, we should not be blighted by the vile mass of England.

 

[Abertawe]

Exactly, it'll be the fault of the brown people then.

You're both being condescending despite speculating on mere guess work.

 

[silkyman]

I expect the Scots to have another referendum at some point.
But I would like to hope that it can be put off for a few years or so, so that everyone better knows what our relationship with Europe will actually look like. And then the Scots can know what they're actually voting for or against. No point in the Scots going all knee-jerk.

It's quite funny in a way, how the line from the SNP has always been about not wanting to be ruled or governed by London. Yet London was about the only bit of England and Wales that voted Remain en mass, in agreement with Scotland.

On the radio earlier they said if Scotland was going to go it alone they would have to do it before UK split from Europe, so they wouldn't have to renegotiate their way back in. They just wouldn't come out.

 

[Abertawe]

Seems to be some chatter that London will not accept being dominated by the inbreds of England and will negotiate something independtly, is that possible? Would be fantastic if true and hopefully all the cities who voted IN can do something similar, we should not be blighted by the vile mass of England.

Shameful. People with just as much right as those in London have been left to rot by the establishment for years. You have no right to castigate their democratic right. London can get to fuck.

 

[SUTSS]

At least I'll be eligible for a Scottish passport. I'll need to get Saltire to give me a Scottish lesson in prepartion.

 

[Abertawe]

Can we build a wall to stop Scottish economic migrants sneaking in?

 

[blade1889]

At least I'll be eligible for a Scottish passport. I'll need to get Saltire to give me a Scottish lesson in prepartion.

Don't look them in the eye of you want to live and if in doubt, fry it.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

The next year will be massive.

Tories will appoint someone who the public will detest with a passion, they also need a more extremist government to push this on which again will hurt them badly.

At same time labour for me is dying, its voters are deserting them and gen public don't care about their views right now. Corbyn needs to go, he's zero passion and doesnt link to gen public at all.

I see a government in which is extremist and hated, an election called within 12 months, but no main opposition party to get behind.........

May a new party form to sweep in? May we in 2 years have a very pro eu government deciding brexit?

 

[Abertawe]

If Labour had UKIP's stance on immigration they'd sweep a GE with a landslide. With free movement of people now no longer an issue, Labour still might have some worth. It would be an absolute dream to have a Corbyn government and not be a member of the EU. Don't write Jezza off just yet.

 

[blade1889]

The next year will be massive.

Tories will appoint someone who the public will detest with a passion, they also need a more extremist government to push this on which again will hurt them badly.

At same time labour for me is dying, its voters are deserting them and gen public don't care about their views right now. Corbyn needs to go, he's zero passion and doesnt link to gen public at all.

I see a government in which is extremist and hated, an election called within 12 months, but no main opposition party to get behind.........

May a new party form to sweep in? May we in 2 years have a very pro eu government deciding brexit?

I don't see how we can possibly call a GE halfway through negotiations with the EU. It would be suicide to effectively 'start again' with a different party.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

I was always remain but there was a small part of me that felt fairly relaxed about the result, whatever the outcome. I realise now that that was merely because I didn't truly believe that leave would carry the day. In the cold light of day I feel very worried indeed about the future of our country.

Having said that I did fully expect this to be very close. People were placing far too much faith in the currency and betting markets which, given the lack of exit polling, couldn't possibly have had much of an insight into which way the vote would go. I do wonder whether they were being manipulated at all (their behaviour seems quite bizarre given the outcome).

History will not judge Cameron fondly and will likely remember him as a feeble Prime Minister with a cavalier and reckless disregard for the country's future. Whatever anyone's thoughts on this referendum (and I do think it had merit) it's exposed great fault lines and the country emerges an altogether more divided, less pleasant place.

 

[Pagnell]

History will not judge Cameron fondly and will likely remember him as a feeble Prime Minister with a cavalier and reckless disregard for the country's future.

That doesn't just accurately describe him, it's also this Tory party in a nutshell.

 

[Magic]

If Labour had UKIP's stance on immigration they'd sweep a GE with a landslide. With free movement of people now no longer an issue, Labour still might have some worth. It would be an absolute dream to have a Corbyn government and not be a member of the EU. Don't write Jezza off just yet.

It's gonna take a big swing of momentum though. I just can't see a socialist government anytime soon. Doesn't seem to matter how much the tories fuck up, they seem to gain popularity compared to Labour! Heck, how many socialist governments have their been in our history, really?!

 

[Aber gas]

Exactly, it'll be the fault of the brown people then.

I was thinking more about whether government will be held to account more forcefully now that there is no easy scapegoat. Will we look more critically at the people we elect now there is no strawman to hide behind? I voted remain despite deep misgivings about the EU but moving forward I'm not nearly as pessimistic about the future.

 

[Abertawe]

It's gonna take a big swing of momentum though. I just can't see a socialist government anytime soon. Doesn't seem to matter how much the tories fuck up, they seem to gain popularity compared to Labour! Heck, how many socialist governments have their been in our history, really?!

I believe the leave win to be a socialist movement. Multi corps told everyone to remain yet they were ignored. I might be wrong but now the noose of uncontrolled immigration is seemingly gone there is a big appetite for a socialist government,

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

The results are really very striking, aren't they? Scotland, Northern Ireland, London + commuter belt, university cities, major cities (although by no means all urban areas) for Remain. Everyone else for out.

 

[Pagnell]

I might be wrong but now the noose of uncontrolled immigration is seemingly gone there is a big appetite for a socialist government,

And you think that's going to change any time soon? And are you aware that there are more migrants into the UK from outside the EU? How are things going to change with that given that we already control that with the Visa system?

As you have brought the bullshit immigration thing up again, I thought I'd quote the post you conveniently ignored earlier.

 

[GodsGift]

The results are really very striking, aren't they? Scotland, Northern Ireland, London + commuter belt, university cities, major cities (although by no means all urban areas) for Remain. Everyone else for out.