European Union Referendum

[Stevencc]

My girlfriend came into the room and told me the news. I started to laugh but then I realised who is likely to take his place and a look of pure terror took over my face.

Thanks Brexiters.

 

[Abertawe]

oh shut the fuck up

Mods can you do something please?

This is democracy, take your vulgar tones elsewhere. You don't like it? Go and move to the cesspit that is the EU, tara.

 

[NorfolkWomble]

The reason this is yes is because of the total lack of notice government and London has given many other areas of uk for years.

Scotland showed its protests with the snp, rest of uk has here.

The last 4-5 year seen masses of people, especially poles enter the UK. The idea to just force most 'out into the sticks' has had devestating and very racist effects.

Needed slow integration, not just dumping loads in areas and thinking it will be accepted as it happens in London.

Westminster doesn't invest enough in other regions. EU does invest in these regions (see infrastructure projects in Wales, outer regions). Why the fuck do people think they can punish Westminster by leaving the EU? Do you think you will be funded by Westminster properly? Fuck no.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Am I alone in thinking Cameron resigning is unnecessary? He put something to the popular vote and the electorate disagreed with him... but surely that is true of a myriad of issues and would be for any leader. Seems weird to punish him for this.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

Upsetting, but let's make the best of it.

 

[Pagnell]

The future.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Billions wiped off the economy today.

Unlikely any of the 350m per week promised for the NHS will ever get there now.

Whoops.

 

[Pagnell]

Am I alone in thinking Cameron resigning is unnecessary? He put something to the popular vote and the electorate disagreed with him... but surely that is true of a myriad of issues and would be for any leader. Seems weird to punish him for this.

It's probably more a personal thing than him being punished. He likely doesn't want to negotiate the leaving conditions whilst believing we shouldn't be leaving in the first place. I think the guy is odious in the extreme, but I can understand where he is coming from if that is the case.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

The short term is going to be financial chaos. Finances stablise. This was never a decision for the short term. Whichever way it went we would only be able to judge the right or wrongs of the outcome in a decade or so.

Nothing changes in terms of our EU status in the next 2-3 years, it's going to be months before we even trigger article 20 yet alone conclude it.
The shouts about this being Independence day and suchlike are rather hysteric. Even Boris (when he presumably becomes PM in Oct) won't be able to shape much in the next couple years.

Whichever party wins the next GE, Tory or Labour, will become the crucial people in shaping and guiding the country's future outside the EU in the long term.

Huge vote for Leave all across the North and Wales surprised me, this leaves Labour with a huge headache and a huge disconnect between their party and their heartlands. The next GE becomes massive, yet Labour and Tory parties are both in huge flux now.

 

[nousername]

Noes the time to invest folks. Blue chip shares down over 22% across the FTSE 100...

 

[Alty]

Absolutely delighted. It's a great, great day. I really thought Remain was going to win but the pollsters obviously got it wrong again. Probably at least in part because the extremely unpleasant lie that all Eurosceptics are racist made people shy about their intention to vote Leave.

The number of big babies talking about being ashamed or moving to Scotland is absolutely pathetic. The US, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand are all successful countries that aren't in the EU. Let's have a bit of faith in ourselves. We can be a successful self-governing country again.

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

Absolutely delighted. It's a great, great day. I really thought Remain was going to win but the pollsters obviously got it wrong again. Probably at least in part but the extremely unpleasant lie that all Eurosceptics are racist made people shy about their intention to vote Leave.

The number of big babies talking about being ashamed or moving to Scotland is absolutely pathetic. The US, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand are all successful countries that aren't in the EU. Let's have a bit of faith in ourselves. We can be a successful self-governing country again.

 

[Techno Natch]

Glad it's over really as I've had no motivation for the debate. Both sides are annoying but I'm still sad that we've left. If the price of Tyskie goes up or I can't get it in five years time I'm going to be pissed off.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

Absolutely delighted. It's a great, great day. I really thought Remain was going to win but the pollsters obviously got it wrong again. Probably at least in part but the extremely unpleasant lie that all Eurosceptics are racist made people shy about their intention to vote Leave.

The number of big babies talking about being ashamed or moving to Scotland is absolutely pathetic. The US, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand are all successful countries that aren't in the EU. Let's have a bit of faith in ourselves. We can be a successful self-governing country again.

I'm not sure why you're so happy, it's a massive victory for the right-wing primarily. That's how the campaign has been fought and that's where the country will now go. It can be seen as nothing but a disaster for the left in this country.

I'm happy to live in a city that voted Remain but can't help thinking it didn't do enough, the turnout was relatively poor. What we now need is a proper federal state, it's clear that London and cities like Liverpool and Manchester are out of step with the rest of the country, they should not hamstrung by people from Widnes and Bury.

 

[Renegade]

I for one blame remainers for not bringing pens to the ballot. Those sneaky Brexiters used reverse psychology, it was us that were dup'ed. #usepens was a ploy.

Yes, let's have faith in ourselves even though Boris Johnson is going to be running the country. I have so much confidence he will be able to etch out agreements with 30+ other nations in the next few years that won't totally fuck our economy. I have total confidence that Northern Ireland will receive anything like the same kind of funding and respect we get from the EU. That it won't heighten tensions once again within Ulster. What a truly fucking great day.

 

[Pagnell]

One of the things that worries me is the potential loss of the employment rights the EU affords us as workers. The capitalist corporations will be ecstatic with last night's result. Anyone who has worked in America, or has spoken to someone who does in detail will know the dangers. Basically, you can be fucked off for no reason whatsoever and redundancy and sick leave is effectively non-existent for the most part, annual leave rights are greatly reduced and the maternity/paternity rights are a joke. Is this what is now going to creep into this country?

 

[Abertawe]

In a way I feel sorry for Cameron. His legacy is tainted and in reality that's down to Tony Blair & New Labour. His fear campaign was disgusting though so it balances itself out. I'm about to step out the house, I presume I'm not gonna get sniped? ww3 and that.

 

[Abertawe]

One of the things that worries me is the potential loss of the employment rights the EU affords us as workers. The capitalist corporations will be ecstatic with last night's result. Anyone who has worked in America, or has spoken to someone who does in detail will know the dangers. Basically, you can be fucked off for no reason whatsoever and redundancy and sick leave is effectively non-existent for the most part, annual leave rights are greatly reduced and the maternity/paternity rights are a joke. Is this what is now going to creep into this country?

Bullshit. TTIP.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

The Welsh are actually bad bellends, aren't they? All this socialist stuff but they're really quite right-wing when you scratch them.

 

[Alty]

I'm not sure why you're so happy, it's a massive victory for the right-wing primarily. That's how the campaign has been fought and that's where the country will now go. It can be seen as nothing but a disaster for the left in this country.

I'm happy to live in a city that voted Remain but can't help thinking it didn't do enough, the turnout was relatively poor. What we now need is a proper federal state, it's clear that London and cities like Liverpool and Manchester are out of step with the rest of the country, they should not hamstrung by people from Widnes and Bury.

When did you develop such utter contempt for people in working class towns??

I accept the campaign was fought dreadfully (by both sides) but this isn't a victory for any particular ideology or political party. It's a restoration of self-government. If we get a genuinely socialist government in future it will be able to do whatever it wants without having to worry about EU competition laws, nor whether it's acting in an area of EU 'competence'.

 

[Gassy]

One of the things that worries me is the potential loss of the employment rights the EU affords us as workers. The capitalist corporations will be ecstatic with last night's result. Anyone who has worked in America, or has spoken to someone who does in detail will know the dangers. Basically, you can be fucked off for no reason whatsoever and redundancy and sick leave is effectively non-existent for the most part, annual leave rights are greatly reduced and the maternity/paternity rights are a joke. Is this what is now going to creep into this country?

I doubt it. We still have laws in place...

 

[Pagnell]

Bullshit. TTIP.

What, bullshit what I said about America or bullshit that it won't happen here?

 

[Alty]

One of the things that worries me is the potential loss of the employment rights the EU affords us as workers. The capitalist corporations will be ecstatic with last night's result. Anyone who has worked in America, or has spoken to someone who does in detail will know the dangers. Basically, you can be fucked off for no reason whatsoever and redundancy and sick leave is effectively non-existent for the most part, annual leave rights are greatly reduced and the maternity/paternity rights are a joke. Is this what is now going to creep into this country?

We're not suddenly going to become the US.

Our maternity/paternity leave is far more generous than the EU stipulates already.

Come on, Pags. Engage your brain a bit.

 

[Pagnell]

We're not suddenly going to become the US.

Our maternity/paternity leave is far more generous than the EU stipulates already.

Come on, Pags. Engage your brain a bit.

Right, firstly there is no need for the fucking insult. And secondly, I clearly asked for opinions on the matter from people who know more about this than myself.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

When did you develop such utter contempt for people in working class towns??

I accept the campaign was fought dreadfully (by both sides) but this isn't a victory for any particular ideology or political party. It's a restoration of self-government. If we get a genuinely socialist government in future it will be able to do whatever it wants without having to worry about EU competition laws, nor whether it's acting in an area of EU 'competence'.

When they turned to right, you have a choice in life and they are clearly choosing populist, right-wing politics. City life is the only future, they are going to be left behind with our without the EU, I used to think we should try and help these people but now I have no time for them, they've betrayed us and they can reap the whirlwind.

Corbyn should leave immediately, he has been utterly pathetic in this.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Have already seen a Polish woman who expressed her sadness at UK leaving the EU on a local facebook group be told "you know where the airport is love". UK won't be a friendly place for immigrants in the immediate future, and the country will be poorer for it.

 

[mnb089mnb]

The Welsh are actually bad bellends, aren't they? All this socialist stuff but they're really quite right-wing when you scratch them.

EU funding to Wales will disappear. It will not be replaced by the government. But it's what they want. They've already voted Neil Hamilton into their assembly.

Bleak future for Wales.

 

[Abertawe]

Can someone explain to me why this is a 'right-wing' decision?

 

[Liverlad]

Fantastic result, would have been a disgrace if we let a bunch of brainwashed uni kids vote our freedom away forever.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

Can someone explain to me why this is a 'right-wing' decision?

The whole Leave campaign has been dominated by right-wingers, and their populist politics. It is undeniably a massive victory for the right in this country, I'm staggered anyone can think otherwise. There are left-wing outers and valid criticisms but the out campaign has been entirely based on immigration and 'taking back control' and it has worked. Very, very scary for those on the left, this country is turning massively to the right.