European Union Referendum

[Stevencc]

Imagine what he comes out with after a few pints.

 

[spireite]

Aye she's honest and sticks to her guns; Salmond has mentored her well.

I don't mind some politicians who I disagree with on their politics, but too many of them are hypocritical and don't stick to their guns. Respect an honest opponent, but not one who changes the situation to constantly suit them.

She's not really that honest though is she. After her defeat in the Scottish referendum she promised to accept the decision and stop talking about it. But since taking charge of the SNP she's done nothing but bleat on on about another independence referendum. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK voting out of the EU was exactly what she wanted - it's given her another excuse to bring it up again. Wasn't it only this year she was crying about 'English votes for English laws' and wanting Scottish MP's to able to vote on English devolved matters? But of course the visa versa isn't allowed. I really don't have much time for the woman. Plus she's got an annoying lack of lips.

 

[mente captus]

tweet from the german foreign office.

we are out to an irish pup now to get drunk. from tomorrow on we will work hard for a better Europe. We promise

 

[Carver]

 

[SALTIRE]

She's not really that honest though is she. After her defeat in the Scottish referendum she promised to accept the decision and stop talking about it. But since taking charge of the SNP she's done nothing but bleat on on about another independence referendum. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK voting out of the EU was exactly what she wanted - it's given her another excuse to bring it up again. Wasn't it only this year she was crying about 'English votes for English laws' and wanting Scottish MP's to able to vote on English devolved matters? But of course the visa versa isn't allowed. I really don't have much time for the woman. Plus she's got an annoying lack of lips.

Ruth Davidson brings up the indy ref result and bangs on about it every time she opens her gob so Sturgeon is quite entitled to defend her corner, and has been pointed out, we were told by those who said to stay that Scotland wouldn't be in the EU if we went on our own and guess what's happened, that promise has been broken within two years, so Sturgeon has every right to bring up the debate again as it's another lie we've been told to swallow that's been exposed.

 

[spireite]

Ruth Davidson brings up the indy ref result and bangs on about it every time she opens her gob so Sturgeon is quite entitled to defend her corner and has been pointed out we were told by those who said to stay that Scotland wouldn't be in the EU if we went on our own and guess what's happened, that promise has been broken so Sturgeon has every right to bring up the debate again as it's another lie we've been told to swallow that's been exposed.

What about the times she brings it up without any prompts from Dave Richardson (or whoever that random person is)? She rarely talks about anything else, in all honestly, when she promised to let it lie. She's been flogging it since she became first minister, and being anti-England at every single turn, just to try and make sure that nationalistic spark doesn't fizzle out too much. The SNP is just as dangerous as UKIP, I don't like these kinds of parties as a rule. The world could do without nasty, isolationist agendas in this day and age.

No promises have been broken, it's a democratic decision and the will of the UK as a whole (as much as I disagree with it, democracy has spoken). If the Scots want to leave to be part of the EU themselves, then that will be their right to decide (a whole 18 months or so since their last one.. yawn) of course, but it would be another sad thing to happen to the UK, and I don't think Scotland entering the EU on their own would be as easy as the SNP imagine.

 

[blade1889]

What's the craic with Sturgeon wanting to work closely with the London Mayor on this? Are Scotland and London going to form their own country together or sumat!?

 

[Destruction]

Is there any truth in the talk of the "jungle" being moved from Calais to Dover as France have basically told us to get fucked?

That would be hilarious if true.

 

[Carver]

No one is forming their own country out of this, we won't allow that.

 

[Bobbin']

Is there any truth in the talk of the "jungle" being moved from Calais to Dover as France have basically told us to get fucked?

That would be hilarious if true.

Nope.

Speaking after the referendum result, French government spokesman Stephane Le Foll said bilateral immigration treaties between Britain and France will not be affected by the Brexit.

"On the question of immigration, to be clear, British exit from the European Union will not lead to changes in terms of immigration treaties with United Kingdom... These are bilateral treaties," he said.

Calais Tells Britain: 'Take Back Your Border'
http://news.sky.com/story/1717209/calais-tells-britain-take-back-your-border

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

.@MarkUrban01 says Wolfgang Schauble is circulating trade terms for Britain which is akin to Turkey, much harsher than expected #Newsnight

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Tommy Mair thanks you all.

 

[silkyman]

No one is forming their own country out of this, we won't allow that.

Are we going to roll the tanks over Hadrian's Wall?

 

[Luke Imp]

Anyone know the turnout of 18-24? I've read circa 25%, but not sure if that's correct.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Are we going to roll the tanks over Hadrian's Wall?

And invade England from England?

 

[Stevencc]

Well that's what the Mooslims and EastenderEuropeans are doing!

 

[Destruction]

Nope.



Calais Tells Britain: 'Take Back Your Border'
http://news.sky.com/story/1717209/calais-tells-britain-take-back-your-border

That's nice of them, especially with the pressure from the far right movement over there. Although I suppose we can't talk now.

.@MarkUrban01 says Wolfgang Schauble is circulating trade terms for Britain which is akin to Turkey, much harsher than expected #Newsnight

I suspect we will be made an example of. Half of me sort of thinks it what we deserve tbh. Especially when you see the sort of news coming out of places like Cornwall today.

 

[slaphead]

.@MarkUrban01 says Wolfgang Schauble is circulating trade terms for Britain which is akin to Turkey, much harsher than expected #Newsnight

So Germany will just set out a trade deal and tell us to take it of leave it? What a load of bollocks, we are one of the biggest importers of Germany's tat, they won't want to lose this market.

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

So Germany will just set out a trade deal and tell us to take it of leave it? What a load of bollocks, we are one of the biggest importers of Germany's tat, they won't want to lose this market.

If they want the EU to survive then I imagine so

 

[slaphead]

If they want the EU to survive then I imagine so

Germany will do what's best for Germany, simple as.

 

[blade1889]

Germany will do what's best for Germany, simple as.

Which they may well decide is keeping the EU together

 

[slaphead]

Do you really think that they will tell VW, BMW, Mercedes et al, they can't sell their cars here 'because it doesn't suit the EU'? Can't see it myself.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Is there any truth in the talk of the "jungle" being moved from Calais to Dover as France have basically told us to get fucked?

That would be hilarious if true.

They're trying to get to the UK so have set up a camp to make attempts from. Why, upon reaching the UK, would they set up another camp?

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

What's the craic with Sturgeon wanting to work closely with the London Mayor on this? Are Scotland and London going to form their own country together or sumat!?

We've both significantly voted for remain... As a minimum we would want a fair integration with the EU at the end of it all.

I've found today really fucking weird, the level of political anger and agreement around people my age is something I never ever expected to see. In theory I support the potential investigation to the feasibility of a London city state - we have become a different entity to the rest of England.

Morally however we are very much to blame for this, it is us that has benefited from a level of prosperity and growth (in select fields, ignore parts of Tower Hamlets, Dagenham etc) whilst the people in Hartlepool, Burnley, Port Talbot etc have become disenfranchised and isolated from the system.

It is this disenfranchisement that is leading to anti-establishment xenophobic popularity; Le Pen, Trump and Wilders to name a few. To fully understand last nights vote for Brexit, one has to look at the wider political and global state of play.

 

[Gashead]

What has also frustrated me re: the London/Scotland thing today, is that other major cities are being ignored. Cardiff especially needs help in any negotiations, it'd possibly be worse off than Scotland. Where do you draw the line at dividing the UK? If Scotland needs a voice, if London needs a voice, then so do the other areas which voted Remain. Simple.

I'd also like to point out that Manchester, Bristol etc. didn't give a massively influential Leave campaigner a platform for eight years by electing them. London isn't squeaky clean in all of this. No offence LOTAL Just a few smug Londoners on the old social media today who haven't thought about this.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

What has also frustrated me re: the London/Scotland thing today, is that other major cities are being ignored. Cardiff especially needs help in any negotiations, it'd possibly be worse off than Scotland. Where do you draw the line at dividing the UK? If Scotland needs a voice, if London needs a voice, then so do the other areas which voted Remain. Simple.

I'd also like to point out that Manchester, Bristol etc. didn't give a massively influential Leave campaigner a platform for eight years by electing them. London isn't squeaky clean in all of this. No offence LOTAL Just a few smug Londoners on the old social media today who haven't thought about this.

Difference is that London has a GDP comparable to Sweden. Even then that's assuming London stops at it's current borders. It doesn't, it's far more reaching - HS2 isn't about providing a supply of people from London to Birmingham...

 

[Gashead]

Difference is that London has a GDP comparable to Sweden. Even then that's assuming London stops at it's current borders. It doesn't, it's far more reaching - HS2 isn't about providing a supply of people from London to Birmingham...

Oh don't get me wrong, London is hugely influential and the Remain vote should be recognised. I'm just saying that Sky News etc. reported it as if Scotland and London voted to stay, everywhere else said leave. Which isn't the case.

I just think you create further divides by involving Scotland and London in negotiations and not Cardiff, Bristol, Manchester etc. I probably blame Sturgeon more than anybody for that to be honest, she should know about certain areas of the UK being ignored...

 

[Destruction]

They're trying to get to the UK so have set up a camp to make attempts from. Why, upon reaching the UK, would they set up another camp?

My (loose) understanding is that the English border is effectively on French soil. So that's why the French stop them from going any further. If the French were to wash their hands of it and just let them cross the channel at will, they would be stopped at Dover wouldn't they? And so the camps would be held there. In the same way France can't lob them onto anyone else, nor would we be able.

I stand to be corrected on all that of course.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

If the state wanted to detain them it's difficult to believe they would (or could) do it in a jungle-style camp.

 

[Destruction]

If the state wanted to detain them it's difficult to believe they would (or could) do it in a jungle-style camp.

Cheaper than putting them elsewhere, no? Cos then you've got to feed them and wash them and keep them warm etc...

And we don't want to be doing that do we Nigel.