European Union Referendum

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Cheaper than putting them elsewhere, no? Cos then you've got to feed them and wash them and keep them warm etc...

Why would they stay put though?

 

[Camborne Gills]

So you've never done a war?

Vietnam War about 1 and a half (watched Tour of Duty if that counts)
Falklands when I was 18 and still at school......................
..................er basically no.

 

[Camborne Gills]

Proud to have voted leave and won't let any jumped up twonk who thinks they know best make me feel guilty over something there is no need to feel guilty about, on here, on social media or in the real world.

I was hoping the scare mongering would come to an end once the votes were in but seemingly not.

All crap and hysteria from the remainers again today -

The FTSE has dropped - already on the rise
The pound has fallen - already recovering
France have overtaken us as the world's 5th strongest economy - no they haven't.
Morgan Stanley are already moving to Frankfurt or Dublin - no they're not.

It goes on.

The overreaction from remainers is pathetic and embarrasing, blaming the elderly, those who are old enough to remember the UK before the EU.

No-one knows how this will pan out but we certainly won't be weaker for it just as all the other strong and stable economies outside of the EU aren't.

Never thought I would praise a trainspotter, but this is a truly weird and wonderful day

 

[Destruction]

Why would they stay put though?

I was thinking we'd put a big fence round them. Otherwise yeah, they'd just run off wouldn't they.

 

[RavenBish]

why was my post deleted? Here it is again because it was funny and took me 10 minutes to do.

 

[Pilgrim Meister]

Do you really think that they will tell VW, BMW, Mercedes et al, they can't sell their cars here 'because it doesn't suit the EU'? Can't see it myself.

No. Those compaies will be told if they want to trade to the UK, they either sell their products with stiff tariffs added, or set up camp in the UK

 

[sl1k]

I was thinking we'd put a big fence round them. Otherwise yeah, they'd just run off wouldn't they.

We're fortunate to have water between us and the French border, otherwise it'd be a lot more difficult to adequately man the parameter and they'd find a way through one way or another.

Imo the influx of asylum seekers into Europe had a big impact on the brexit. Particularly after the France attacks, people are a lot more concerned with the control over our borders and ultimately people were willing to reconcile risks to our immediate to xLengthoftime economy.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

I'm just saying that Sky News etc. reported it as if Scotland and London voted to stay, everywhere else said leave. Which isn't the case.

The UK originally begged to become a member of the EEC, back when it was struggling in the 70s. Now you're doing okay, so now you piss off.
I think a lot of us have lost a lot of illusions now. Now we see you English for what you truly are: Selfish and xenophobic and lost in illusions of past grandure. If that's the case, we don't need you. Good riddance.
I'm saying English, 'cause in ten years time, there's not gonna be either a Great Britain or a United Kingdom. Scotland has already called for a new vote on independency, and Northern Ireland doesn't want closed borders again towards the Republic of Ireland and will likely leave too. And if that ball first gets rolling, why would Wales want to stick around?
England will now become Western Europe's answer to Serbia. Just as the Serbs has no one but themselves to blame for the term 'Yugoslav' now being a thing of the past, within the next ten years, the English too will have no one but themselves to blame for the term 'British' also dissipating into dusty pages in the history books. The English will most likely end up just where the Serbs are today, alone and broken and lost in their illusions about the past, blaming everyone else for their own folly.

Alba gu bràth and tiocfaidh ár lá. And quelle tragédie, too. Congratulations, Vlad. You're brilliant at this, you little shit.

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

From what I can gather, this is a victory against the elites whilst at the same time being a victory that depends on the elites at BMW and Audi being able to set the economic policy in Germany. Which apparently they do, which is lucky.

 

[silkyman]

why was my post deleted? Here it is again because it was funny and took me 10 minutes to do.

Which wars are we talking about? Because the demographic people are talking about were mostly born after Ww2 or weren't old enough to have fought. Someone 18 in 1945 would be 89 now. The generation I'm pissed off with is my dad's (although he voted in). Born after the way, benefitted from European harmony and now slamming the door on their own fucking kids and grandkids because they think we'll go back to Jolly Hockeysticks and warm beer on the village green.

 

[silkyman]

From what I can gather, this is a victory against the elites whilst at the same time being a victory that depends on the elites at BMW and Audi being able to set the economic policy in Germany. Which apparently they do, which is lucky.

I'm glad we had those genuine men of the people like Johnson, Farage and Gove to tell us what to do against the public schoolboy toffs.

 

[silkyman]

We're fortunate to have water between us and the French border, otherwise it'd be a lot more difficult to adequately man the parameter and they'd find a way through one way or another.

Imo the influx of asylum seekers into Europe had a big impact on the brexit. Particularly after the France attacks, people are a lot more concerned with the control over our borders and ultimately people were willing to reconcile risks to our immediate to xLengthoftime economy.

And this is one of the genuinely fucking massive issues I have. WE DO CONTROL OUR FUCKING BORDERS WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE ALL STILL IN FRANCE TRYING TO GET INTO ENGLAND AND NOT IN FUCKING ENGLAND.

Syria is, newsflash, not in the EU. These poor bastards do not, and will not, EVER have free movement into the UK. But it was hinted at and pushed and nodded to constantly by the likes of the express and the mail, because they know which buttons to push.

 

[Habbinalan]

We're fortunate to have water between us and the French border, otherwise it'd be a lot more difficult to adequately man the parameter and they'd find a way through one way or another.

Imo the influx of asylum seekers into Europe had a big impact on the brexit. Particularly after the France attacks, people are a lot more concerned with the control over our borders and ultimately people were willing to reconcile risks to our immediate to xLengthoftime economy.

In what way will the situation be different (for the ferries) to the current situation with airlines ensuring that passengers have documents to travel and being financially penalised if they fail - with border controls in the UK as the backup?

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Facebook is full of people saying... "It was only a protest vote, I never thought it would win!"
That's the Twit of the Year Award right there.

"White dudes like to do shit like that, vote for the wrong dude as a goof. They get drunk and shit and go like: 'Let's vote for Jesse Jackson!' 'I just voted for Jesse Jackson!' And next day would be like this: 'He fuckin' won?'"
- Eddie Murphy, "Delirious"

Iceland v. England, five nill on Monday.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

 

[Bobbin']

You are a monumental bore.

 

[Habbinalan]

I am assuming and accepting that the UK will leave the EU but there is a genuine possibility that Scotland will not and a proportion of the Brexit voters will regret their decision when the short term consequences hit them.

That said, the Prime Minister who will negotiate and implement the decision is not yet in Downing Street. More important, the MP's who will have to vote on starting the process, never mind finalising it, may not even be in Westminster.

With a tory right wing in the ascendant, the only thing that will allow a positive outcome in the longer term is for the disenfranchised former labour supporters in England & Wales to have a party and leader that they can support for positive reasons rather than a mix of fear and protest. I'm not holding my breath but the publicity around Jo Cox has highlighted that such people do exist out there.

Despite all the "implementing the will of the people" talk, if pressure for a General Election (following Boris's ascent to No 10) is sufficient, we could even end up with the unlikely scenario where there is a second referendum - like Denmark and the Irish (twice) did. It could (and probably will) get extremely messy in the coming months.

https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24/when-i-say-no-i-mean-maybe/

 

[Habbinalan]

You are a monumental bore.

The "ignore" button is really useful sometimes.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Who says Scotland will even have a referendum after this? They'd just as well go right ahead and declare their dependency now.

I had you English all wrong. You will only have yourselves to blame.

 

[mente captus]

No. Those compaies will be told if they want to trade to the UK, they either sell their products with stiff tariffs added, or set up camp in the UK

in which world you are living in? BMW ( Mini and Rover) and VW ( Bentley, Rolls Royce) own 400,000 jobs in the Uk.
the new government will do everything to keep them in the country.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

in which world you are living in? BMW ( Mini and Rover) and VW ( Bentley, Rolls Royce) own 400,000 jobs in the Uk.
the new government will do everything to keep them in the country.

You can kiss all that shit goodbye now. You want out? You're out.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I'm saying English, 'cause in ten years time, there's not gonna be either a Great Britain or a United Kingdom. Scotland has already called for a new vote on independency, and Northern Ireland doesn't want closed borders again towards the Republic of Ireland and will likely leave too. And if that ball first gets rolling, why would Wales want to stick around?
England will now become Western Europe's answer to Serbia. Just as the Serbs has no one but themselves to blame for the term 'Yugoslav' now being a thing of the past, within the next ten years, the English too will have no one but themselves to blame for the term 'British' also dissipating into dusty pages in the history books. The English will most likely end up just where the Serbs are today, alone and broken and lost in their illusions about the past, blaming everyone else for their own folly.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

You can kiss all that shit goodbye now. You want out? You're out.

Mente is German....

 

[blade1889]

Do you really think that they will tell VW, BMW, Mercedes et al, they can't sell their cars here 'because it doesn't suit the EU'? Can't see it myself.

We don't know yet but it's entirely possible that Germany want to keep the free trading block going (with integrated progressive laws across all of the EU) to help the likes of BMW prosper in other countries, not just the UK. Let's be reight here, the whole of the EU will trade in cars more than just the UK. That means we either reach an agreement to be in the free trading block (I hope we do) in terms to be agreed (which may even essentially be what we've already got and leave campaigned against) or we want a split from those laws in which case the tariffs etc. happen.

It is unknown and whilst it won't be as disastrous as remain have prophesied I think it's very naive to assume we can take all the best bits and ignore the worst.

 

[Bobbin']

Serious question about possible second Scottish referendum.

Why would they now vote to leave the UK?

They voted to stay apart of the U.K. in 2014 whilst we were still part of the EU. They made it clear on Thursday they wish to remain in the EU. So why would they now vote to leave the UK when in their eyes it would leave them more vulnerable than they would have been in 2014 when they originally decided to stay?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Germany warns against EU 'revenge' following UK Brexit vote

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Serious question about possible second Scottish referendum.

Why would they now vote to leave the UK?

They voted to stay apart of the U.K. in 2014 whilst we were still part of the EU. They made it clear on Thursday they wish to remain in the EU. So why would they now vote to leave the UK when in their eyes it would leave them more vulnerable than they would have been in 2014 when they originally decided to stay?

I'm pretty sure they export more to the rest of the UK than the rest of the EU combined too.

 

[Captain Scumbag]

Out of interest and purely hypothetically if they could predict the economic damage exactly at what level would it be too much for the political gain?

That's difficult to answer. First, "economic damage" is hard to quantify with any precision. Second, and more importantly, you're effectively asking me to put a price on government by democratic consent. That's like asking me to put a price on freedom of expression, or habeas corpus. Certain things are absolutely fundamental to liberty, and the ability to choose (and eventually remove) the people who govern and legislate on our behalf is one of them. I don't know if I can put a price on that, or would want to if I could.

In lieu of figures, then, let me try to answer another way. Do I think a short-to-medium term period of economic instability and decline is a price worth paying? Absolutely. Would I begin to doubt my decision if we fell back into recession? Absolutely not. Would me losing my job (assuming a post-Brexit economic downturn were the cause) make me regret my decision? I strongly suspect not. Sorry if you think this a rather fudgey answer, but it’s the best I can give. The most honest, anyway.

FWIW, while I didn’t vote for economic reasons, I do think there are good economic arguments for Brexit. The tricky thing is that most are based on taking the long view, the basic idea being that our long-term success requires us to regain control of our trade policy, and that leaving the EU (and suffering the short-to-medium term economic consequences) is a price we must grudingly pay. That’s thinking 10-15 years down the line rather than, say, focusing on the next six months. It’s a tough sell politically, which is probably why Boris, Farage et al. have spent the last few months yelling “Project Fear” at those pointing out there would be adverse economic effects. FWIW I’d have preferred a more honest approach. There are many things I wish they’d done differently.

 

[Matt_]

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Serious question about possible second Scottish referendum.
Why would they now vote to leave the UK?
They voted to stay apart of the U.K. in 2014 whilst we were still part of the EU. They made it clear on Thursday they wish to remain in the EU. So why would they now vote to leave the UK when in their eyes it would leave them more vulnerable than they would have been in 2014 when they originally decided to stay?

Juncker has already intimated, that Scotland wouldn't exactly wind up in the back of the EU queue. That one would be fast tracked.