European Union Referendum

[.V.]

I fly home from Toronto tomorrow so am watching some Canadian news, for my sins.

1 of the panellists said that Britain has an inflated self of its own self importance, that the City will melt down in the next 35 years and that Turkey and the Czech Republic are more important countries.

Just passing on what was said. Unfortunately I didn't catch the panelists name.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

No point pretending now lads, he onto us. We've been working with Putin all along. If you leave now you might escape the purge.
Godspeed.

You need to read up on the litterature, sir.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Just wondering how the leave voters on here feel about the backtracking from people like Farage and Hannan?

If by Farage you mean the £350m thing I think we all knew that was bollocks a while ago, and didn't come from him to be fair. The Hannan comments are a concern though.

 

[Gashead]

Here's the thing, neither side is entirely right imo. The side who blames immigrants fails to realise the reason "Johnny Foreigner" is getting these jobs is because corporations and businesses are being allowed to recruit low-skilled foreign labour ahead of Brits (by our government as far as I am aware, nothing in EU law states you MUST offer jobs to EU workers ahead of your own), but equally it's unfair to say "well you must be totally useless if they're getting hired ahead of you because again, businesses have been left unchecked by our government to favour cheap EU migrants which has understandably made people angry (albeit with misdirected rage, which the Brexiters have lapped up and exploited and whored out as much as possible).

Outsourcing is a big problem in a lot of areas as well. One aspect of the EU I don't agree with is the handing over of money to businesses for them to 'relocate', essentially making a load of people redundant so that the business can get subsidised cheap labour. You can make areas of Europe more prosperous without making another area poorer.

Its not a direct effect on the 'immigrants' rhetoric, but its certainly indirect and creates fear/insecurity if nothing else.

 

[Krazy8]

They are a product of their environment. I'm just so utterly frustrated with how they act both individually in person and en masse.

This is exactly how I'd describe the remainers (the vocal ones anyway).

The reaction from some has been laughable, the petition for one is just embarrassing. Some of these remainers still seem to think they're in the majority and feel it's acceptable to label all leave voters as racist, xenophobic, uneducated, poor etc etc. The truth they'll have to accept is that over 17 million people disagreed with them and that actually it is they who are in the minority.

 

[Gashead]

This is exactly how I'd describe the remainers (the vocal ones anyway).

The reaction from some has been laughable, the petition for one is just embarrassing. Some of these remainers still seem to think they're in the majority and feel it's acceptable to label all leave voters as racist, xenophobic, uneducated, poor etc etc. The truth they'll have to accept is that over 17 million people disagree with them and that they are in fact in the minority.

I voted Remain and quite frankly its embarrassing. I don't like it when democracy goes against my views, but its democracy - it's happened. I get the 'mourning' yesterday, I felt the same after the last GE when a number of Remainers were quite pleased with the result. But to carry this shit on with the petition, the sneering etc. is pretty stupid.

I think what worries me from the Leave side is a lack of plan, or urgency to get on with the job. Result needs to be accepted and we need to make plans as to how best to deal with it. In the short term its a bit of a clusterfuck, but we all knew that whatever side you were on. If we drag it out, it becomes a clusterfuck long term.

 

[.V.]

This is the man who thinks we made a huge mistake.

https://ca.linkedin.com/in/elmer-kim-9674832

 

[Destruction]

If by Farage you mean the £350m thing I think we all knew that was bollocks a while ago, and didn't come from him to be fair. The Hannan comments are a concern though.

I wouldn't say all. The sheer number of Leave folk I heard quote that "350mil a week we can spend on the NHS" was unbelievable.

I would wager a fair percent of the 17mil voted Leave because they thought they were doing so to put money into the NHS, or bring immigration numbers down.

 

[Bobbin']

I wouldn't say all. The sheer number of Leave folk I heard quote that "350mil a week we can spend on the NHS" was unbelievable.

I would wager a fair percent of the 17mil voted Leave because they thought they were doing so to put money into the NHS, or bring immigration numbers down.

Throughout the campaigning I can't remember anyone claiming that all the 350m would be able to go into the NHS and wouldn't necessarily have believed it if I had heard it.

As for Farage's comments yesterday, thankfully I wasn't listening to it through a fit of hysteria like many remain voters and interpreted his comments as 'they made a mistake promising that the money would be used for the NHS' and not that it wouldn't/couldn't be.

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

Throughout the campaigning I can't remember anyone claiming that all the 350m would be able to go into the NHS and wouldn't necessarily have believed it if I had heard it.

As for Farage's comments yesterday, thankfully I wasn't listening to it through a fit of hysteria like many remain voters and interpreted his comments as 'they made a mistake promising that the money would be used for the NHS' and not that it wouldn't be.

 

[Bobbin']

Yes, it doesn't say 'let's use it all to fund our NHS instead'.

It was a mistake from the leave campaign to try and imply that it would be is how I've interpreted Farage's comments, wrongly or rightly.

 

[Habbinalan]

Circulating in Huntingdon. Police investigating.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/rep...n-huntingdon/story-29443411-detail/story.html

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

Yes, it doesn't say 'let's use it all to fund our NHS instead'.

It was a mistake from the leave campaign to try and imply that it would be is how I've interpreted Farage's comments, wrongly or rightly.

 

[Destruction]

Throughout the campaigning I can't remember anyone claiming that all the 350m would be able to go into the NHS and wouldn't necessarily have believed it if I had heard it.

As for Farage's comments yesterday, thankfully I wasn't listening to it through a fit of hysteria like many remain voters and interpreted his comments as 'they made a mistake promising that the money would be used for the NHS' and not that it wouldn't/couldn't be.

https://twitter.com/dbashby/status/746459094396080128

 

[Bobbin']

https://twitter.com/dbashby/status/746459094396080128

Touché.

As I've already said, I wouldn't believe it anyway and as EG also said, most people would have seen through that. It's easy to patronise 17mil leave voters by claiming it's the only reason they voted the way they did and because 'they don't like immigrants.'

 

[Blitzballer]

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

Touché.

As I've already said, I wouldn't believe it anyway and as EG also said, most people would have seen through that. It's easy to patronise 17mil leave voters by claiming it's the only reason they voted the way they did and because 'they don't like immigrants.'

It's ridiculous to believe that they all saw through a key thing the leave campaign was based on Bobbin.

 

[blade1889]

Touché.

As I've already said, I wouldn't believe it anyway and as EG also said, most people would have seen through that. It's easy to patronise 17mil leave voters by claiming it's the only reason they voted the way they did and because 'they don't like immigrants.'

I don't think anyone's suggesting that those are the reasons for all 17 million votes. It was a 4% majority and it's not unreasonable to think that many of those 17mill votes (even just half of those 4% changing their minds would level the vote) could have voted differently had the lies not been told.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html#

 

[Habbinalan]

Yes, it doesn't say 'let's use it all to fund our NHS instead'.

It was a mistake from the leave campaign to try and imply that it would be is how I've interpreted Farage's comments, wrongly or rightly.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...unds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.html

He told ITV’s Good Morning Britain that the pledge came from others in the Leave campaign and that it was their “mistake” to loudly earmark £350 million for the health service during the campaign.



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Nigel Farage disowns Vote Leave '£350m for the NHS' Brexit pledge
However footage from BBC Question Time on 9 June – just weeks before the referendum – shows the Ukip leader claiming the available cash was higher than £350 million and saying money should be spent on hospitals and GPs.

“Can we just get to the truth of this - £350 million a week is wrong, it’s higher than that,” he told the programme’s audience.

“FACT – absolute fact – from the official statistics cross-checked from the EU: we pay £55 million a day as a contribution. Some of that is the rebate which doesn’t go but our gross contribution is £55 million a day.”

“We should spend that money here, in our own country, on our own people,” he added.

When subsequently challenged by an audience member who said he advocated an insurance system and did not “believe in the NHS”, he said:

“Do you know what I’d like to do with the £10 billion? I’d like that £10 billion to be spent helping the communities in Britain that [the] Government damaged so badly by opening up the doors to former communist countries. What people need is schools, hospitals, and GPs. That’s what they need.”

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Touché.
As I've already said, I wouldn't believe it anyway and as EG also said, most people would have seen through that. It's easy to patronise 17mil leave voters by claiming it's the only reason they voted the way they did and because 'they don't like immigrants.'

No, apparently, a good portion of them were spite voters. To piss off the wrong politicians. Congratulations, twits.

This is what's gonna happen over the next ten years , paraphrased:

The continent: "Whatever, you want out, you're out. Let's fast track it. There's no reason to wait."
The English: "Whoa, wait a minute. I still want the vacation cottage

and the boat

and the dog

."
The continent: "Well, you ain't gonna get it now. Sorry, ol' sport, you're the one who wanted a divorce, you're just gonna have to make due without it."
The English: "Now, hang on! I paid for all that shit!"
The continent: "Yeah, and now you can waive goodbye to it. Tough shit, it's your own doing."

 

[Abertawe]

No, apparently, a good portion of them were spite voters. To piss off the wrong politicians. Congratulations, twits.

This is what's gonna happen over the next ten years , paraphrased:

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Fuck off mate. We don't want any part of your stinking carcass of a union. Jealous prat.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Fuck off mate. We don't want any part of your stinking carcass of a union. Jealous prat.

Fine. We don't want you. See you in none.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

With all I know and have read about British history, how in the fuck can the Scouts be more internationally minded than the English? Is it just because you have ended up rimming yourselves with the likes of The Daily Mail and The Sun? Welcome on the wrong side of history, Jesus Christ.

 

[blade1889]

With all I know and have read about British history, how in the fuck can the Scouts be more internationally minded than the English? Is it just because you have ended up rimming yourselves with the likes of The Daily Mail and The Sun? Welcome on the wrong side of history, Jesus Christ.

They get a badge for it

 

[blade1889]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

Kinda ironic really

 

[CEngelbrecht]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017
Kinda ironic really

Well, that settles it. Whatever Max Mosl... Sorry, Nigel Farage argues, do the opposite. The result stands, live with it. Welcome on the wrong side of history, English.

 

[Abertawe]

Why are you so bothered? It doesn't affect you sod off, sounds like you wish you were a Great Brit.

 

[Habbinalan]

 

[JJ1532]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Thoughts?

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Merkel contradicting Tusk today. Although we'll have to see what happens when things start obviously. From the BBC:
"But German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she was not in favour of pushing for a hasty withdrawal, adding there was "no need to be particularly nasty in any way" in the negotiations with Britain about its exit."