European Union Referendum

[Aber gas]

Adolf Hitler was never elected.

His party was though. He was then appointed.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Thoughts?

Who wants cancer these days, if they don't do as they're told? Now that arsenic can be traced.

 

[Aber gas]

I have been wondering. Have any of you changed your plans for the immediate future? Personally I've shelved my plans for a new business that I was hoping to launch this year/ early next, re thought my family holiday and put the money into paying some debts instead ( probably sensible anyway) and stopped some work being done on my house. Anyone made similar adjustments ?

 

[JaseTheVillain]

His party was though. He was then appointed.

Through intimidation and violence, yes. But they were never elected with a majority, Hitler himself lost a presidential vote too. The way they seized power was actually very clever at the time, but they were never, ever elected with a majority.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

I have been wondering. Have any of you changed your plans for the immediate future? Personally I've shelved my plans for a new business that I was hoping to launch this year/ early next, re thought my family holiday and put the money into paying some debts instead ( probably sensible anyway) and stopped some work being done on my house. Anyone made similar adjustments ?

Nah. Who knows what the future holds.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Through intimidation and violence, yes. But they were never elected with a majority, Hitler himself lost a presidential vote too. The way they seized power was actually very clever at the time, but they were never, ever elected with a majority.

That's really pissing on commas. He was elected German chancellor just as much as any British PM. Move on.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Nah. Who knows what the future holds.

More comparisons of things with Nazi Germany and Hitler, I imagine.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

More comparisons of things with Nazi Germany and Hitler, I imagine.

Never gets old, does it?

 

[toshj]

I have been wondering. Have any of you changed your plans for the immediate future? Personally I've shelved my plans for a new business that I was hoping to launch this year/ early next, re thought my family holiday and put the money into paying some debts instead ( probably sensible anyway) and stopped some work being done on my house. Anyone made similar adjustments ?

I've got a massive mortgage, we'll lileky take a bit of a hit on house prices and also the cost of borrowing will rise. We've got savings so we'll be ok.

Work wise, the market I focus on will likely take a massive hit. I'm going to sit down with my colleague on Monday to discuss a repositioning of our concentration towards the US markets - great because USD/GBP will suit us well, bad because we'll have to develop a client list from scratch and also start working US hours from London.

All in all we'll be ok. The upside is that when the regions tank, our new holiday home will cost less (I jest... but only semi-jest)

 

[CEngelbrecht]

I have been wondering. Have any of you changed your plans for the immediate future? Personally I've shelved my plans for a new business that I was hoping to launch this year/ early next, re thought my family holiday and put the money into paying some debts instead ( probably sensible anyway) and stopped some work being done on my house. Anyone made similar adjustments?

I think I might just head for the antipodes now. I think I have enough points in the skilled labour department to be let into Australia.

I'm not even kidding, lads. I can't stay in a Europe, where somebody like Putin will succeed in tearing the EU project apart in a Machiavellian pissing contest I can fathom, but not do a god damned thing about. I don't trust where America is going either, so I have to get out before we reach 1939 all over again. I can't help you anyway.

 

[Aber gas]

I think I might just head for the antipodes now. I think I have enough points in the skilled labour department to be let into Australia.

I'm not even kidding, lads. I can't stay in a Europe, where Putin will succeed in tearing the EU project apart in a Machiavellian pissing contest I can fathom, but not do a god damned thing about. I don't trust where America is going either, so I have to get out before we reach 1939 all over again. I can't help you.

Wasn't really looking for help but thank you anyway. Good luck in your new life in the new world.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Wasn't really looking for help but thank you anyway.

I'll remember you said that, sir.

 

[blade1889]

I have been wondering. Have any of you changed your plans for the immediate future? Personally I've shelved my plans for a new business that I was hoping to launch this year/ early next, re thought my family holiday and put the money into paying some debts instead ( probably sensible anyway) and stopped some work being done on my house. Anyone made similar adjustments ?

Well I've cashed in my gold stocks now that they're at a high and am buying up shares of FTSE companies whilst they're at a low. I wish.

Hoping against all hell that I get on the masters I'm aiming for next year as its a fixed wage for 3 years which could be good if everything else is turbulent and (probably a bit ambitious) if the house prices fall it could help me get on the ladder. Really don't want to be (like many of my friends) finishing uni and finding a job at the moment, even if the economics does sort itself out long-term I can't see many places hiring, especially not in science, graduates. There's a huge amount of resentment in my generation that not only are we first to have the inflated course fees but we could be leaving at a time when job prospects have been messed up.

 

[Aber gas]

I'll remember you said that, sir.

Good, I like being remembered for stuff I say. Kinda helps with the futility of existence.

 

[Aber gas]

Well I've cashed in my gold stocks now that they're at a high and am buying up shares of FTSE companies whilst they're at a low. I wish.

Hoping against all hell that I get on the masters I'm aiming for next year as its a fixed wage for 3 years which could be good if everything else is turbulent and (probably a bit ambitious) if the house prices fall it could help me get on the ladder. Really don't want to be (like many of my friends) finishing uni and finding a job at the moment, even if the economics does sort itself out long-term I can't see many places hiring, especially not in science, graduates.

I'm sure you'll be fine, experts in the sciences ( especially in your field ) are always going to be sought after surely ?

 

[blade1889]

I'm sure you'll be fine, experts in the sciences ( especially in your field ) are always going to be sought after surely ?

I'm not interested in research particularly but at the moment the government really underfunds our science (which is ridiculous as we're a world leader and it should be built on) but the EU provided lots of research grants for us which are obviously now in doubt.

 

[toshj]

Hoping against all hell that I get on the masters I'm aiming for next year as its a fixed wage for 3 years

Best of luck - having any form of security over the next few years would be beneficial, whichever way we come out of this.

Aber gas, you changed plans as a result of the decision?

 

[Aber gas]

I'm not interested in research particularly but at the moment the government really underfunds our science (which is ridiculous as we're a world leader and it should be built on) but the EU provided lots of research grants for us which are obviously now in doubt.

Once your masters is done you could always look elsewhere. IF it all goes to shit here your skills are transferable almost anywhere.

 

[blade1889]

Once your masters is done you could always look elsewhere. IF it all goes to shit here your skills are transferable almost anywhere.

Yeah it would open up opportunities (I'm hoping it leads into the NHS...or was anyway). Lots of my friends are worried as, unlike me, they want to stay in research and a second part of why our science research is best in the EU is that so much is dependent on multi-national collaborations (and people working for short-medium length periods in other countries) which the EU makes so much easier and will obviously take a hit.

 

[Aber gas]

Best of luck - having any form of security over the next few years would be beneficial, whichever way we come out of this.

Aber gas, you changed plans as a result of the decision?

Yes, I had plans to open a bar/ restaurant later in the year. It was based around a sorta community place staffed by people coming into the trade from prison/ shit situations/ fucked off with education. Obviously I was looking at making a living from it too. It's just not feasible right now though.

 

[Destruction]

I have been wondering. Have any of you changed your plans for the immediate future? Personally I've shelved my plans for a new business that I was hoping to launch this year/ early next, re thought my family holiday and put the money into paying some debts instead ( probably sensible anyway) and stopped some work being done on my house. Anyone made similar adjustments ?

I'm due to move to Germany in September for four months to study for part of my Masters, funded by the Erasmus program. So I've no idea at the moment if this will be affected or not. Hopefully until negotiations are completed it will be business as usual.

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

Corbyn fires Hilary Benn at 1 in the morning.

 

[ZianfrancoGoal]

hi everybody, my name is zianfraco and i am 6 years clean from discussing politcs on the internet

and i've just deleted everything i wrote and decided not to relapse goodbye

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

This is exactly how I'd describe the remainers (the vocal ones anyway).

The reaction from some has been laughable, the petition for one is just embarrassing. Some of these remainers still seem to think they're in the majority and feel it's acceptable to label all leave voters as racist, xenophobic, uneducated, poor etc etc. The truth they'll have to accept is that over 17 million people disagreed with them and that actually it is they who are in the minority.

I don't disagree with this - there was certainly a degree of hysteria on the Remain side and it's clearly completely unacceptable to regard those with a different viewpoint on the European Union as racists and xenophobes (there are plenty of Leave arguments that have merit even if I might not find then particularly persuasive). But let's not kid ourselves that this sort of nonsense isn't totally in keeping with the tone of the referendum campaign. Neither side covered themselves in glory but some of the campaigning from Leave (the official campaign, the media backers, the supporters) was quite overtly racist and xenophobic. I don't see any problem in wanting to focus on immigration in the context of a debate about EU membership (a lot of people are - rightly or wrongly - concerned with freedom of movement) but all too often the microscope seemed to be on the migrants themselves and the sort of people we may or may not want on these shores. It's repugnant, dehumanising and may just have served to embolden a load of knuckle dragging racists if some of the many recent anecdotes about people being abused in the street are anything to go by.

There's been a lot of the usual guff about restoring Britain to greatness in the wake of this referendum campaign. Seems bizarre to me that anyone would feel even the slightest bit patriotic having endured the last few months - it showed Britain at its absolute worst.

Yes, it doesn't say 'let's use it all to fund our NHS instead'.

It was a mistake from the leave campaign to try and imply that it would be is how I've interpreted Farage's comments, wrongly or rightly.

But it was not a mistake and cannot possibly be construed as such. It was a lie, a falsehood, a deception. Whether or not people believed it (and I'm quite sure some people did given some of the things that people are prepared to believe) is quite besides the point; the point being that you ought not to be able to make false claims to the electorate and then back-track on them as soon as you've achieved your desired outcome. It makes the whole exercise appear a sham.

 

[redjed]

When we had the first referendum in 75 it was for a common market, a free trade union, not a political ,and mass intergration. I voted no then,as I could see the direction it was going in., Germany and Franch Dictating the gameplay. We have been promised this Referendum for the past 20 years by both major parties but somehow its just been a stepping stone for power by promising to hold one.
If there was a second one, i really cant see that happening, Scotland , that has once again starting to shout FREEDOM, should not be allowed to participate, as they are already making overtures to wards the EU for them remaing after we pull out. And thinking about it , a million and a half voted in , but there was over a million that wanted out.
I think this is the begining of the end for the EU,What was a good idea in the first place, has now turned into a despots dream, making laws that dont always fit into each nations agenda, no proper accounts ever being shown,, where rules are made by 5 man unelected cabinet, and to vote it thro, the MEP's are told how to vote, at each voting session they are giving directions on how to vote, diplomacy in action

 

[smat]

Neither side covered themselves in glory but some of the campaigning from Leave (the official campaign, the media backers, the supporters) was quite overtly racist and xenophobic.

This is why I feel so utterly ashamed. Imo to many (most?) voters this wasn't a referendum on the EU, but on immigration. There are plenty of intellectual arguments against the EU but they were barely heard and certainly not shrieked as loudly as than the anti-immigration stuff. The campaign and result has made many of my EU friends in the UK - political activists from Sweden, family support volunteers from Romania, hoteliers from Latvia - genuinely feel like they are not welcome in my country.

I've been away since Monday and am flying back tomorrow. I feel like the country I left is not the one I'm flying back to.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Mumblings of rumours that potential bidders for Tata Steel are pulling out because of the result.

 

[Kopper]

Brexiters must realise we need to trade with the EU, hence no call for a repeal of the European Communities Act 1972. They must also be aware any trade between the EU and Britain will be under the condition of free movement of EU nationals. Even the sovereignty argument is moot if our elected leaders are dictated to by Brussels.
Greece thought they were getting someone free of EU control when they elected Syriza to parliament. It wasn't long before they realised there isn't a party they could elect that would be free of Brussel's diktats.

So I ask myself what has Brexit achieved?

 

[Habbinalan]

I have been wondering. Have any of you changed your plans for the immediate future? Personally I've shelved my plans for a new business that I was hoping to launch this year/ early next, re thought my family holiday and put the money into paying some debts instead ( probably sensible anyway) and stopped some work being done on my house. Anyone made similar adjustments ?

As an oldie, I'm relatively sheltered from the practical and financial consequences of what's been going on this week. I even managed to get my currency at rates available Thursday lunchtime. So I'm off to the mountains and backwoods to chill for a month or so, having vented on here and got it out of my system (and feeling better for it) over the last few days.

However, what hurts the most is the impact on family and friends (mostly younger, in affected jobs and with mortgages and/or children) - which is massive for both their current situation, job/financial prospects and for their aspirations and plans. At least we're still building submarines in Barrow - which is the other major issue impacting on at least half my family.

That said, unlike most around me, I can see silver linings. The EU and the UK Government and the Opposition were and are a disaster waiting to happen. Perhaps the politics in this country and the EU have to go through this to have a chance of triggering a reaction and coming out better.

It's perhaps glib to say it may have to get worse before it can get better from a position of relative security but it's how I feel - and it seems to be not so different to those who had little to lose and decided it can't get much worse for them.

 

[SUTSS]

Mumblings of rumours that potential bidders for Tata Steel are pulling out because of the result.

It's quite annoying when reality starts scaremongering like this.