FA Cup Second Round

[Bobbin']

I'm not going to dispute the transport, or anything else about the place and I will bow to your local knowledge. As BeesKnees says, a lot of people live in the past with these things, however I prefer to see it as clear cut by what it currently is, not what it was before these things were reformed. If anything now, these boundaries need to be expanded further. Certainly in the parts of London I'm most familiar with (north and east London) they're no longer inclusive enough. As you may have guessed, I find urban areas and how they grow, expand and interlink quite fascinating, for an interesting article on London borders have a read of this: https://barneystringer.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/is-london-too-small/

Beesknees, the M60 with Manchester is almost a good a method as any, but I don't see the M25 in the same way with London. North of the river it fits reasonably well (certainly the places that are exceptions commonly have tube stations etc) but South it's a bit of a mishmash as the likes of Cobham, Caterham, Biggin Higg etc are more distinct than, say Romford or Chigwell. The M60 method is a massive can of worms, but it's only really Wythenshawe and the airport that are part of Manchester and outside that.

Anyway, I'll leave this here and then vow to not mention this subject again. Football only from now on!

I completely agree.

I live about 10 minutes from Welling, my address is Kent and I have a Kent postcode yet I live in a London borough. I personally don't really consider anything up to and including Datford as Kent, anything past there is fair game.

 

[Pooliekev]

Of course it had to be us who got thrown the banana skin. This is going be a media nightmare.

I hope we can just ignore it all, get in there and get the job done, and move on. We've got a lot of young'uns who could well swallow the bullshit so I hope Ronnie can keep their heads right.

Mind Salford will be shitting themselves at the thought of the Mighty Bing being released on them.

 

[AdamStag]

It kind of depends how far you want to take the argument that whenever the local governments are rejigged, places that are put into a new authority area can no longer be called by the name of their former county.

If you were to say that is always the case then Derby is no longer in Derbyshire, neither is Leicester in Leicestershire or Nottingham in Nottinghamshire.

Maybe you could argue that only changes that took place before 1974 stand, while the rest is some kind of grey area... or you could just say it's all grey area.

That arguement doesn't work though, as greater Manchester is its own county, whereas Nottingham isn't it's own county that was once part of Nottinghamshire for instance

 

[shoddycollins]

That arguement doesn't work though, as greater Manchester is its own county, whereas Nottingham isn't it's own county that was once part of Nottinghamshire for instance

These days though 'county' is just a name for one of the ways in which the country is divided up. So to say Nottingham is no longer in Nottinghamshire works just as well as saying Manchester is no longer in Lancashire... unless you draw a line at 1974 and say that changes since then don't carry the same weight as changes before. Personally I don't care, somewhere is wherever you want it to be.

Places in the Dorset/Wiltshire/Hampshire area are still described as being Wessex, and that ceased to exist as an administrative place some time around 1066.

Since we're talking about where somewhere is on a football forum I could point out that counties within the FA are still the traditional ones, ergo for footballing purposes Manchester is in Lancashire, and Welling is in Kent.

 

[Vanni]

I'm feeling like I'm back in Geography class. With a bit of history thrown in for good measure.

All because Carlisle have been awarded a bye/were drawn against the weakest side left in the competition.

 

[cufc17]

I'm feeling like I'm back in Geography class. With a bit of history thrown in for good measure.

All because Carlisle have been awarded a bye/were drawn against the weakest side left in the competition.

Ha, me too!
I don't care much for the technicalities, more just north, south, east and west..

...or just south for everything.

 

[Richard Cranium]

I'm feeling like I'm back in Geography class. With a bit of history thrown in for good measure.

All because Carlisle have been awarded a bye/were drawn against the weakest side left in the competition.

Amen to that.

There's some R.E to put the three most pointless subjects at school all together.

 

[shoddycollins]

Amen to that.

There's some R.E to put the three most pointless subjects at school all together.

I didn't realise religion was still a thing, as Rakish is the only being worth worshipping these days.

 

[AdamStag]

Amen to that.

There's some R.E to put the three most pointless subjects at school all together.

Oi! I did geography at uni

The 5 classes at school that counted as a "bye" was art, music, drama, French and RE

 

[Wombling Kiwi]

From reading the article Ben posted, us and Welling both have something in common. We've both conspired in Barrow's expulsion from a division to save our own skins, so I'm sure we'll get on like a house on fire... or a Wetherspoons on fire if you will.

Also, worth mentioning is that looking at Welling's forum, there is a blog-writing Daggers fan (is there any other kind of Daggers fan?) doing a project where he picks a club to follow in the first preliminary round, follows them until they get knocked out and then adopts the club that beat them, until they get knocked out and so on. So far he's gotten to Welling, which means should we beat the mightly Wings, we will win, not only a place in the third round, but far more importantly, the interest of a blog-writing Daggers fan (there really is no other type, in my experience all football blogs are written by Daggers fans).

I also follow a club from the extra prelim round This year I started with Jarrow roofing, which has lead me so far to Borehamwood.

 

[shoddycollins]

which has lead me so far to Borehamwood.

You have my deepest sympathies.

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

I think it is safe to assume we will beat Braintree, which means we have Forest Green at home. I think we will be too much for them on our own turf, I will go for a comfortable 3-0 victory. In the third round, I'd like that Salford team.

 

[hellogregory]

Rochdale v Bury on TV? Are they taking the piss!

An all league one clash is hardly capturing the magic of the cup.

And the BBC taking the Salford game again is pretty disgraceful. I hope Hartlepool absolutely stuff them.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Rochdale v Bury on TV? Are they taking the piss!

I honestly thought my eyes were deceiving me on that one. I have no idea why they thought that would be a good game to show.

 

[T.A]

They did the same last year. Peterborough v someone. It was a crap draw. Most non-league teams are away or playing each other.

 

[hellogregory]

They did the same last year. Peterborough v someone. It was a crap draw. Most non-league teams are away or playing each other.

They do it with all premier league ties in the third round as well which is shit IMO.

It should be non league v football league ties in rounds 1 and 2. Bury and Rochdale already play each other at least twice a season as it is. It's a dire choice for an FA Cup tie.

 

[shoddycollins]

They do it with all premier league ties in the third round as well which is shit IMO.

It should be non league v football league ties in rounds 1 and 2. Bury and Rochdale already play each other at least twice a season as it is. It's a dire choice for an FA Cup tie.

The sad fact is that the only thing that determines which games they televise is how many people will watch. Bury and Rochdale are local rivals so that will get more viewers presumably than Welling or Stourbridge would. Same with Salford again, that will get all the ManU fans watching and that's all they care about. At least BT Sport can use the argument of being a commercial outfit and relying on good viewing figures to keep going, the BBC really have no excuse, they should mix things up a little just because they're the BBC and can do whatever they like. When Arsenal and Spurs inevitable come out together in the 3rd round it will be televised despite the fact that they seem to play each other about 10 times per season these days and everyone in the country who isn't an Arsenal or Spurs fan being sick to the back teeth of North London derbies.

 

[Wombling Kiwi]

You have my deepest sympathies.

Could be worse, I could end up with Northampton, for 3rd round

 

[hellogregory]

Will it get more viewers though? Wouldn't Welling or Stourbridge or Chesham or someone get more neutral viewers than Bury v Rochdale would?

If it's all about viewers then surely they'd just show the club with the biggest fanbase. I know that happens from round 3 onwards with Man United on every round until they're knocked out.

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

Good job too, can't wait for a chance to watch Man Utd.

 

[cufc17]

Surprised we weren't one of the TV games, though not surprised Salford are on again. Bury v Rochdale isn't too interesting either, maybe if they were in different divisions. I don't even think it'd be classed as a 'cup upset' if Grimsby were to overturn Shrewsbury.

I think the BBC will try to get our game on that Sunday highlights programme.

 

[Carver]

It's a fucking joke that we're not on live so the BBC can wank over Salford City again and their class of 92, hope it's a shit bore of a match and Hartlepool win. We don't often get matches away at proper non league clubs and when we finally do and are pretty much one of the only ones we don't get shown, fuck off!

As for BT Sport why are they showing Rochdale and Bury? A local darby? Two shitty little lower league clubs with no more than 2000 fans per game? Yes that is a real darby and it's on at midday as well, just ridiculous.

Hmm and who the fuck wants to see Grimsby v Shrewsbury? Grimsby is the grimest shithole in the country and they aren't even that much of a non league club and Shrewsbury aren't exactly an established L1 club.

What's the bet they fix the draw for the next round and have Salford play Man Utd away, c***.

Who is it who picks the matches? Obviously some utter TWAT who hates Carlisle.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Salford v Hartlepool was always going to be on, Class of 92 or not.

Fuck knows what Bury v Rochdale has been picked though. Very strange, I know it's a local derby but no one bar either set of supporters really gives a shit.

 

[MrGloverLover]

I remember watching the draw and thinking that apart form Salford there wasn't a single other stand out tie that was obvious for tv. Very boring.

 

[Carver]

I remember watching the draw and thinking that apart form Salford there wasn't a single other stand out tie that was obvious for tv. Very boring.

What about us? We're away to some pub team as well.

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

The fact that our routine victory against lower league opposition didn't receive any consideration is not surprising to me at all.

 

[oakroader]

lets be honest muckers,how many of us actually watch any derby game for the football ??
its all about the chance of witnessing a bit of aggro on the screen that really titillates ???
luton wont let you down !!

 

[EricSabin]

Could be worse, I could end up with Northampton, for 3rd round

Hey.

 

[Laker]

Our game at home to Doncaster has been moved to the Sunday at 2pm. I imagine Carlisle will get the same deal as us.

 

[cufc17]

Our game at home to Doncaster has been moved to the Sunday at 2pm. I imagine Carlisle will get the same deal as us.

It has. I think fans travelling from Carlisle won't be able to go by train (earliest arrives at like 14:25), so may lower the away following.