Isthmian 2014/15

[Harrier94]

Enfield have been found guilty

http://www.enfieldtownfootballclub.co.uk/news/ryman-league-rule-against-town-1421982.html

 

[rudebwoyben]

So Hendon have to make sure that justice doubly prevails and beat (Fuck da) Not-Police tomorrow.

 

[rudebwoyben]

Actually, looking at Enfield Town's reply, they're looking to take this further. Is the Ryman Premier League season ever going to finish?

 

[Viv Aldi]

The most damning thing about that is the lack of effective stewarding, kids and adults who should know better coming out of the woodwork for a local/playoff game and being complete twats is almost obligatory. However if something similar happened against Leatherhead the year prior then Folkestone should have had the resources in place to prevent a similar scenario taking place again.

I thought you were harsh saying you wouldn't ever go there again, regular supporters have told you these people only appear for 'big' games so there would be no trouble in a normal league fixture.

What is it about Kent clubs who play in amber and their 'supporters' throwing beer over opposition supporters?

Edit: Losing in the playoffs absolutely sucks.

It's not a vendetta against their fans, its their club who just have a wall of silence on it and seem to be putting their fingers in ears and having an 'i'm not listening' approach.
It went beyond even 'twattish' behaviour. Sheer nastiness. Would not go on at my club, fuck them. Never giving money to them again out of principle.

 

[Jemfy]

I think Enfield just need to take the deduction and move on. It's a horrible situation to find themselves in, but this is the correct and only outcome. Play an ineligible player - lose any points gained while playing him. We all know the rules (well outside of the premier league anyway!). How they expected any other outcome is a mystery.

Hopefully this can all be resolved quickly.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Yes, I agree with that. I think Enfield have every right to be peeved at the manner in which this has been dealt with (i.e. thrust upon them at the eleventh hour after they'd all but secured a play-off spot) but it's difficulty to take issue with the imposition of a three point penalty. Seems like the correct decision no matter how long the FA have taken to arrive at it.

 

[Paddy]

Correct decision? Although it is in the rules & they have been dealt with in a consistent manner... Not Police are in the play offs now. There is nothing that can justify that travesty & I'm afraid football as we know it is now dead.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

That is also a VERY PERTINENT POINT

Although Hendon are Isthmian 4EVA so I don't really want them to win that fixture either. Oh well, so long as the victor loses to £££gate/Hipsters in the final, all will be well with the world again.

 

[DarkSithLord]

I think the reason enfield are so peed off is that THEY were the ones to tell the league of the fact that they fielded an ineligible player. The league didnt spot it. By being honest they thought they would get away with a fine and a telling off but the league has used the letter of the law and deducted the points.

Am I right?

 

[DarkSithLord]

A former Worthing FC player who is now paralysed has purchased the club - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32516000

 

[Silver Stone]

We have a new badge, which you can see in my avatar here. It's the shield from the town coat of arms just modified a bit.

It's... I don't know yet. I'll miss the iguanodon...

 

[Raymondo316]

Dont like it at all

Messing with something that didnt need messing with

 

[DarkSithLord]

That looks horrible. I much prefer the previous one

 

[Raymondo316]

And this shambles continues on & on

''Over the last few days the Enfield Town Board has been considering whether or not to appeal against the both the FA's decision and the Ryman League's decision in relation to charges against ETFC and Aryan Tajbakhsh.

The Board has decided to proceed with an appeal against the FA decision. A date for this appeal has been set for 8th May. The Board will aim to make an announcement next week on whether or not the Club intends to appeal against the Ryman League decision.

In the meantime, the club would like to thank other clubs, supporters and commentators for the overwhelming messages of support for our stance. We would like to thank Lewes FC in particular for launching their "Call for support for Enfield Town Football Club" campaign. We have been truly overwhelmed by these sympathetic messages, including some which have put forward some suggestions for fund-raising should we wish to pursue the issues further. The ethos of non-league football has been evident in every message!''

http://www.enfieldtownfootballclub.co.uk/news/club-statement-1423226.html

 

[TFF_REG]

I think the reason enfield are so peed off is that THEY were the ones to tell the league of the fact that they fielded an ineligible player. The league didnt spot it. By being honest they thought they would get away with a fine and a telling off but the league has used the letter of the law and deducted the points.

Am I right?

Strictly speaking the 3 point penalty is the correct punishment, but as I understand it there's a bit more to it than that. Like you said, they reported themselves (although I don't think this alone is reason enough for them to escape punishment or you could get teams trying to cheat on purpose, cover it up, then report themselves later on in the knowledge that they'd avoid a points deduction), the other teams didn't inform them like (I believe) they are supposed to that he was banned, and they themselves checked the database to see if there was any ban but nothing came up because the previous clubs had spelt his name wrong. It seems really harsh when you take all that into account. One of my mates says that other teams have been asking Met Police to offer the playoff place back to Enfield, this is turning into a farce.

 

[Jemfy]

Given the stupidity of the system at the level, it's actually understandable to see how they really didn't know he was suspended initially. Though they could have checked immediately. There does need to be an overhaul of how it works. The Isthmian league should have also dealt with the matter much sooner.

That said, the rule was broken. The initial correct decision would have been 3pt deduction and no fine (lost points for the games played, but no fine as a gesture of goodwill for the understandable nature and the fact they self reported as soon as they were aware). The arguement over it justifies the fine (as it removed the goodwill).

I have always wondered why the team that gained the point(s) with an ineligible player loses everything they gained, but the opposing team don't get a walkover match. Seems a little unfair, but it's applied across the board and should ideally never have to be applied anyway.

 

[TFF_REG]

Like you say, if you're sticking strictly to the letter of the law the 3 point deduction is justified, but it does seem incredibly harsh when you take into account the things I just posted. Also, I read that they'd already had confirmation from the FA earlier in the season that the player would sit out 2 games as he would have done originally and that no further punishment would be taken. Seems farcical to agree to that, then come back to it now when they playoffs are about to get underway.

 

[Jemfy]

Like you say, if you're sticking strictly to the letter of the law the 3 point deduction is justified, but it does seem incredibly harsh when you take into account the things I just posted. Also, I read that they'd already had confirmation from the FA earlier in the season that the player would sit out 2 games as he would have done originally and that no further punishment would be taken. Seems farcical to agree to that, then come back to it now when they playoffs are about to get underway.

All they had to do was have their club sec (who is almost certainly fully aware of the problems in the system) phone/email the other clubs the player represented checking on the number of bookings the player had received with them.

I've not seen anything where the FA have said there would be no other punishment. Wouldn't be the first time they've given bad advice though.

The rule has to be applied, or people will be trying to get around it every time they fall foul of it.

 

[TFF_REG]

Well that is very true, but you'd think that searching for the player on the FA/League's own database of bookings/bans would suffice, although granted I've never had any personal experience working in a football club at that level so don't know what the norm is.

This is the article I read: http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...w-warshaw-fair-play-for-whom-just-ask-enfield

There it states that:

Since the player was not sidelined by Enfield at the time of joining them, it was agreed that in order to clear the suspension he should sit out two subsequent games - which is exactly what happened. Enfield were duly informed in writing that "no further action" would be taken against them, correspondence seen by Insideworldfootball.

Obviously there's no proof that they've seen it but I don't see what reason they would have to blatantly lie about having seen the correspondence.

 

[Paddy]

" In the meantime, the club would like to thank other clubs, supporters and commentators for the overwhelming messages of support for our stance. We would like to thank Lewes FC in particular for launching their "Call for support for Enfield Town Football Club" campaign. We have been truly overwhelmed by these sympathetic messages, including some which have put forward some suggestions for fund-raising should we wish to pursue the issues further. The ethos of non-league football has been evident in every message!' "

I love this bit... there is no team that are pro Enfield, everyone just hates Met Police but need to sound politically correct about trying to fuck them over

 

[TFF_REG]

Is that just because they are the police or is there another reason?

 

[Anon]

Is that just because they are the police or is there another reason?

Yeah I always wondered that too...

 

[Paddy]

Well, they are the Not Police. A team funded by the Metropolitan Police sports scheme (which is funded by the Metropolitan Police, which is funded by our taxes) in order for the good respectable boys in blue to play football... only... none of them are actually police officers any more, thus making the whole thing an absolute sham.

Also, for us they are *shudders when admitting it* local rivals.

 

[pinknblue]

why do all the good forum posters go get themselves promoted? First we lost Aber, now the Maidstone gang. Dulwich will probably go up in the play offs so that's PinknBlue gone too... The Hornchurch lot are going out the other way...

Looks like it's just me & PP representing the Isthmian Premier next year.

Very nice of you to say so Paddy, but at this rate I don't think they'll be any play-offs this year!

 

[pinknblue]

I'm admittedly a naturally pessimistic football fan

How were the last ten mins after the Tonbridge equaliser? The laptop saw nervy refreshes aplenty...

Tonbridge never really looked like scoring again! seems a long time ago now!

 

[pinknblue]

Oh my word! What an utter shambles this play-off thing is! A good job Turvey is standing down at the end of the season (whenever that may be!). I just don't understand why the Ryman League had to dock Enfield 3 points when the FA had only issued a warning. Now the FA can overturn that decision if Enfield succeed with their appeal!

I do have considerable sympathy with Enfield, but their actions (and Hendon's) have now severely disadvantaged us in that our game against Margate was postponed resulting in:
1/ Lots of DH supporters losing money for accommodation they had booked in Margate.
2/ DHFC losing money for transport they had already booked for the game.
3/ The probability that DHFC has to pay players extra wages for no extra income. I fully expect the FA / Ryman League to compensate the club and supporters for these costs, that have arisen as a result of THEIR INCOMPETENCE, as they had 2 months to sort this mess out!
4/ The likelihood that a number of DHFC players will be on holiday if the playoffs ever actually happen.
5/ The fact that we had an almost fully fit squad and were coming into some decent form at the season end. Margate will now have opportunity to get any injured players fit. Hendon's argument that they'd be disadvantaged if our game was played (on the date it was supposed to be!), because of the winners of Margate v Dulwich having more recovery time, seems fairly weak to me.
6/ If Dulwich did win their play-off semi final and were at home to the 5th placed team in the final, we may not be able to play our game at home as major work on our pitch is due to start on 11th May and this may not be able to be altered.

This is now an absolute farce and if Enfield's FA appeal on 8th May is successful, presumably Met Police could appeal against that? I can see this dragging on into June at this rate and everyone not giving a flying fig who wins the play-offs and no-one turning up to the games. It's very disillusioning!

Thus far Enfield have rightly drawn considerable sympathy - although they surely need to hire a competent club secretary to ensure this doesn't happen again. However, if they continue to press this issue, I think public opinion may start to turn against them too.

 

[Paddy]

At this point I'm thinking just forget the play offs and promote Peacehaven & Telscombe for the lols.

 

[Rocky 11]

Like I've already said elsewhere.

If all the Ryman clubs are as sporting as we all like to think we are, this whole sorry affair could have been sorted out a couple of weeks ago by Met Police and Grays issuing a joint statement, saying that they were happy to stand aside and let the play offs be decided on the existing league tables Irrespective of the outcome of any appeals, and that neither club would consider making a subsequent appeal.

Surely would have been the sporting and decent thing to do.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Brentwood,Merstham and Burgess Hill all to make their Debuts in the Ryman Premier next season!

 

[Raymondo316]

Enfield are already preparing for further appeals if it doesnt go their way next Friday

http://www.enfieldtownfootballclub.co.uk/news/message-for-etfcssl-members-1423733.html