League 1 Promotion Thread

[Hurrikeen]

So how much are Williams, Forte and Bradshaw worth in your opinion? All having scored more/a similar amount.

Forte is worth about twenty quid simply because his knees are fucked and we've basically hit the jackpot with him this season.

I'd be surprised if any club were willing to part with a decent fee to sign Forte up, which in turn benefits us as there's no real need to let him go.

He's also a left winger, not a striker.

 

[Saddlerrad]

Given the fact Bradshaw has 16 goals in all comps and has had 4 spells injured this season on top of the fact we should now make around £750k from Wembley, the fact he's young and still has time on his contract. I think we'd ask for £1m + add-ons for Bradshaw.

 

[Destruction]

Given the fact Bradshaw has 16 goals in all comps and has had 4 spells injured this season on top of the fact we should now make around £750k from Wembley, the fact he's young and still has time on his contract. I think we'd ask for £1m + add-ons for Bradshaw.

How much did Paterson go to Forest for mate?

 

[Saddlerrad]

Roughly, £1m (750k upfront) with various add-ons that would have made him our highest all time sale should he have met them (previously £1.5m for Dann and Fox) - which he hasn't yet by the way.

 

[RavenBish]

You won't get over a million for Bradshaw. No way Jose.

 

[Saddlerrad]

You won't get over a million for Bradshaw. No way Jose.

Depends how many he scores by the end of the season, but yeah it's optimistic. So it should be considering how vital he is too us. He should be valued by the club as to how important he is to the side - which is pretty huge.

 

[LuSiVe]

Yeah, that logic worked really well for us with Doyle .....

 

[RavenBish]

Depends how many he scores by the end of the season, but yeah it's optimistic. So it should be considering how vital he is too us. He should be valued by the club as to how important he is to the side - which is pretty huge.

The team actually offering the actual figure to buy him give zero shits about that though...

 

[Saddlerrad]

True, but after the Wembley windfall and the fact he's contracted for another year, if the club don't receive an offer they like, then it can be turned down.

 

[This Charming Mike]

Some of the figures bandied in this thread

 

[Saddlerrad]

Yeah, that logic worked really well for us with Doyle .....

Yeah, I'm not saying they would - I'm saying I would.

Some of the figures bandied in this thread

Wouldn't say mine is too bad? 16 goals from 20 starts. 4 periods out injured (including currently). If he gets say 10 more in the remaining 18 games odd that would be 26 from 38, for a 22 year old striker playing in an average side. We got £600k for 14 goal Troy Deeney almost 5 years ago, who was a workhorse but not even remotely natural infront of goal and a package worth roughly £600k for 20 goal Will Grigg at tribunal (notorious for lowering fees), despite the fact he only scored 10 or 11 goals from open play in a much better side.

£1m with a few add-ons is absolutely spot on for a 22 year old, should he get that many goals. Which is obviously a big 'should'. Doyle's fee was affected by his age and the fact he's only been a 6 month wonder, on paper (so has Bradshaw) - although Chesterfield should have got a better fee.

 

[LuSiVe]

Nope, we shouldn't have sold at all. Although the club have made out he was going to go in a strop and behave like a 2-year-old if we didn't let him go, so he wouldn't have been any use to us anyway ....

 

[This Charming Mike]

Bradshaw may be young but he's injury-prone. It's never a good sign, especially so early in his career and that alone will put any Championship club off paying big money for him. You've also got to take into account that he's hardly pulled up any trees before this season so could be going through a purple patch and, of course, he is totally unproven above L1.

At this moment in time, I'd say Bradshaw's value is somewhere between £400k and £750k. If he can prove his fitness and continue scoring goals over the next 12-18 months, I'd expect Walsall to be entertaining offers in the region of your estimate.

There's no way Garner will go for £3m either.

 

[SF_]

There's no way Garner will go for £3m either.

And you would know how?

If he leaves Deepdale this summer, there's absolutely no way it will be for less than £2m which we quoted to Rotherham before he signed his new contract.

 

[This Charming Mike]

And you would know how?

If he leaves Deepdale this summer, there's absolutely no way it will be for less than £2m which we quoted to Rotherham before he signed his new contract.

Because by the time the transfer window opens he will be 27 years old having played and flopped in the Championship two or three times already.

He's an excellent striker for L1 but a complete and utter risk in the Championship. £1.5m-£2m is probably about right for Garner.

 

[SF_]

Because by the time the transfer window opens he will be 27 years old having played and flopped in the Championship two or three times already.

He's an excellent striker for L1 but a complete and utter risk in the Championship. £1.5m-£2m is probably about right for Garner.

Our valuation of him is over £2.5m, unless it's matched in the summer, he doesn't go.

Sheffield United paid £1m+ for a right back.

 

[This Charming Mike]

Our valuation of him is over £2.5m, unless it's matched in the summer, he doesn't go.

Sheffield United paid £1m+ for a right back.

A proven Championship right back. They knew they were getting a player more than capable of playing at this level and the one above. You can't say the same about Garner.

 

[SF_]

A proven Championship right back. They knew they were getting a player more than capable of playing at this level and the one above. You can't say the same about Garner.

That's for professional football managers and scouts to decide, Joe Garner in this current form would score goals at Championship level.

Wigan paid £3m for some random striker from the French second division.

I think you're badly under-estimating the market but I hope you're right an no one stumps up the money for him.

 

[LuSiVe]

Sheffield United paid £1m+ for a right back.

And they wouldn't bid over 600K for Doyle.....

 

[SF_]

And they wouldn't bid over 600K for Doyle.....

Was it confirmed at your end that we put a bid in for him?

A few reporters in Sheffield were saying we offered £500-600k before Cardiff came in.

 

[This Charming Mike]

That's for professional football managers and scouts to decide, Joe Garner in this current form would score goals at Championship level.

Wigan paid £3m for some random striker from the French second division.

I think you're badly under-estimating the market but I hope you're right an no one stumps up the money for him.

Just like I underestimated the market when I told Chesterfield fans on TFF that they wouldn't get anything close to £1.5m for Doyle?

We're all guilty of over-valuing our own players. Heck, in an ideal world, I'd want £5-6m for Luongo. But deep down, I know we're probably unlikely to get that. Try looking at Garner from the outside.

 

[Hurrikeen]

Try looking at Garner from the outside.

Sorry. Too busy looking at him on the floor.

 

[SF_]

Just like I underestimated the market when I told Chesterfield fans on TFF that they wouldn't get anything close to £1.5m for Doyle?

We're all guilty of over-valuing our own players. Heck, in an ideal world, I'd want £5-6m for Luongo. But deep down, I know we're probably unlikely to get that. Try looking at Garner from the outside.

Everyone said they wouldn't get that much for Doyle, it's his first season scoring goals on a regular basis in England. Similar to Stuart Beavon for Wycombe.

Garner has done it consistently at this level for years, has improved his game massively in the last two seasons and his Championship record isn't as bad as some make out. 9 in 34 starts for Forest and 6 in 17 starts for Scunthorpe, it's only Watford when his form was on its ass and he scored 1 in 16.

We're in a strong position to demand a big fee.

 

[Destruction]

What Garner is worth and what we can ask for him are two completely different things. We have a very wealthy owner who isn't going to put his hand in his pocket to spend millions, but it means we are in the position to hold out for big money if we are to sell our most prized asset.

No offence but we are not a Walsall or a Chesterfield who every so often need to sell to survive, we can keep Garner as long as we want to until the offer is big enough to tempt us.

There is plenty of money now floating around the Championship through either parachute payments or foreign investment. When you look at the fees being quoted for a Rhodes or Deeney, see the 11mil paid for McCormack by Fulham, even the 5mil of Assambalonga to Forest, 3mil for Garner would be chicken feed for most Championship clubs.

Time will tell but I'd put money on us getting a huge fee (for this level).

 

[LuSiVe]

Was it confirmed at your end that we put a bid in for him?

A few reporters in Sheffield were saying we offered £500-600k before Cardiff came in.

The only confirmation we got was that there were 3 bids form 2 clubs on deadline day. I think 2 bids from Cardiff and 1 from Sheff U but can't remember if the Sheff U was from an official source or just rumour so it might have been you ....

 

[Lambourn Red]

None of them are in the same class as Garner and all those clubs are in a position to have their pants pulled down financially, we're not, which is obviously the biggest factor.

Swindon have shown ambition and kept hold of Kassim and Luongo this January but they will go for less than they were initially offered I would imagine if they don't go up. There would probably be a bit of a fire sale down there listening to their chairman earlier in the season.

You're making an extremely poor point.

If you are referring to Lee Powers I will sell if crowds do not improve in October then unfortunately you are barking up the wrong tree, his plea worked as we went from 6.5k to 8.5k average crowds it was nothing more than that. We turned down 3.5m for Luongo on deadline day if we were that close to a fire sale then surely you would think we would have taken that amount ? All the players are under contract except Williams and Foderingham so would require a fee. Having said that if a decent bid for Luongo comes in the summer I think he will be off even if we go up but Power has already said he values him at 5mill and he is under contract until 2017.

 

[LuSiVe]

Everyone said they wouldn't get that much for Doyle, it's his first season scoring goals on a regular basis in England. Similar to Stuart Beavon for Wycombe.

I didn't think we'd get that much for him ... I just hoped we'd choose not to sell him ...
Although I doubt he'll ever score as prolifically again as he did this season, so ....

 

[SF_]

If you are referring to Lee Powers I will sell if crowds do not improve in October then unfortunately you are barking up the wrong tree, his plea worked as we went from 6.5k to 8.5k average crowds it was nothing more than that. We turned down 3.5m for Luongo on deadline day if we were that close to a fire sale then surely you would think we would have taken that amount ? All the players are under contract except Williams and Foderingham so would require a fee. Having said that if a decent bid for Luongo comes in the summer I think he will be off even if we go up but Power has already said he values him at 5mill and he is under contract until 2017.

Fair enough, I know little about Swindon behind the scenes, I was purely going off this Powers bloke saying he might have to sell if attendances don't improve. I still think Garner would command a much larger fee than Andy Williams mind.

 

[RavenBish]

What Garner is worth and what we can ask for him are two completely different things. We have a very wealthy owner who isn't going to put his hand in his pocket to spend millions, but it means we are in the position to hold out for big money if we are to sell our most prized asset.

No offence but we are not a Walsall or a Chesterfield who every so often need to sell to survive, we can keep Garner as long as we want to until the offer is big enough to tempt us.

That's not how football actually works though. Player/agent power. As soon as Garner gets his head turned with Champ football and a 100% pay rise...which he will eventually in League 1 (play all the 'he's a Pweston fan tho' all you want, doesn't mean shit most of the time) then you have to sell. Whether you need to sell or not is irrelevant to some extent and the bigger club will know that.

 

[Lambourn Red]

Fair enough, I know little about Swindon behind the scenes, I was purely going off this Powers bloke saying he might have to sell if attendances don't improve. I still think Garner would command a much larger fee than Andy Williams mind.

He would as Willo is out of contract in the summer, he will be gone at the end of the season as he is the last of Di Canio's stupid high wage earners and wont be offered anywhere near what he is on now. Foderrigham is also on high PDC wages but if we go up I would expect the club to try and keep him.