Stickied League 2 Away Support Thread 2024/25

[dedwardp]

261 Colchester at Carlisle.

 

[Crewelad87]

Looks like we are only allocating Vale the 1 stand (around 1650 tickets) for our game next month.

 

[FiRTHYY]

What’s allocation at Vale Park these days?

 

[valefan16]

What’s allocation at Vale Park these days?

3100

 

[valefan16]

Looks like we are only allocating Vale the 1 stand (around 1650 tickets) for our game next month.

Saw that, might come back to bite you if we meet in the play offs as we will do what we did last time and give only what we get given.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

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I think this would be a good week to do the season averages...

 

[kieran_vale]

Crewe’s prerogative to do it with the away allocation. Just don’t be expecting more than the bare minimum in the corner if we meet in the playoffs if that’s what we’re doing now.

 

[Alfie]

I think this would be a good week to do the season averages...

I've been doing them at end of month with other stats.

 

[mozzavale]

Looks like we are only allocating Vale the 1 stand (around 1650 tickets) for our game next month.

Police may intervene in the end. Absolute guarantee Vale fans would end up in the Crewe end if common sense doesn't prevail.

 

[GTFCfish]

Police may intervene in the end. Absolute guarantee Vale fans would end up in the Crewe end if common sense doesn't prevail.

I know there are probably ways to get around it but they might do it where only Crewe addresses are allowed to buy tickets or something like that or people who have already bought tickets on their database or something to stop away fans getting in home ends, I know a few clubs have done that in the past.

 

[kieran_vale]

I know there are probably ways to get around it but they might do it where only Crewe addresses are allowed to buy tickets or something like that or people who have already bought tickets on their database or something to stop away fans getting in home ends, I know a few clubs have done that in the past.

I would anticipate they'll probably insist on a previous purchase history. I know we did that when have had Sheff Wed and Derby in previous seasons. Might be a bit trickier to police on this occasion given there is only about 10 miles difference between the two clubs but we'll see. To be clear Crewe are well within their rights on this, it's their stadium but it is going to have a number who will chance their arm on this.

 

[mozzavale]

Oh they'll definitely do that. I always knew having a boss from Cheshire who goes the odd Crewe match would come in handy...even if he is a Stoke fan

 

[valefan16]

Police may intervene in the end. Absolute guarantee Vale fans would end up in the Crewe end if common sense doesn't prevail.

It’s poor from Crewe in the fact they moaned about a bigger allocation then we are getting at their place, which we then gave them and we probably need to be tougher when clubs do that and then expect us to go “here’s whatever you want”. Notts it didn’t matter in the end but another example.

Of course in the play offs if we are participating then whoever we face in the semi finals would only get what we get so for example if Crewe gave us 1600 or Chesterfield 1000 that’s what they’d get in return as we did with Swindon in 2022.

 

[mozzavale]

Crewe's twitter admin caused a bit of a stir for the game at our place, claiming we'd restricted their allocation to 1,800. Turned out their pants were on fire, after our CEO confirmed before the game, Crewe could have up to 3,100 tickets if they wanted them. The initial allocation was based on what Crewe told Vale they expected to sell. After a few weeks they eventually sold that out a few days before the game, so blamed it on Vale. Then sold 300 extra in the end.

I could understand restricting the away support for Chesterfield, because they sell more than the difference, whereas Crewe probably won't come close, and could accommodate their support in the other 2 stands quite comfortably. In the end it could cost them not only the lost revenue, but additional policing costs with Vale in the home end. There's usually the odd one or two Vale in the home end anyway when we take the usual 2.3k there, so God knows how many will go in if they restrict us to 1.6k.

 

[Jimmy Anderson]

Saw that, might come back to bite you if we meet in the play offs as we will do what we did last time and give only what we get given.

Don't think we will sell out for Crewe anyway as it's 29 pounds with the 1 pound booking fee and it will be a TV game so I don't expect it to sell out.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Crewe's twitter admin caused a bit of a stir for the game at our place, claiming we'd restricted their allocation to 1,800. Turned out their pants were on fire, after our CEO confirmed before the game, Crewe could have up to 3,100 tickets if they wanted them. The initial allocation was based on what Crewe told Vale they expected to sell. After a few weeks they eventually sold that out a few days before the game, so blamed it on Vale. Then sold 300 extra in the end.

I could understand restricting the away support for Chesterfield, because they sell more than the difference, whereas Crewe probably won't come close, and could accommodate their support in the other 2 stands quite comfortably. In the end it could cost them not only the lost revenue, but additional policing costs with Vale in the home end. There's usually the odd one or two Vale in the home end anyway when we take the usual 2.3k there, so God knows how many will go in if they restrict us to 1.6k.

Sounds familiar.

Notts allocation to Vale was based on the away following predicted by PVFC. They clearly underestimated how many tickets were needed and then understandably the fans were confused and moaned when they weren't given the next allocation by Notts but it was their own club fault that they were conservative in their estimates.

 

[mozzavale]

Don't think we will sell out for Crewe anyway as it's 29 pounds with the 1 pound booking fee and it will be a TV game so I don't expect it to sell out.

Ofcourse it will sell out

 

[jacobncfc]

Crewe's twitter admin caused a bit of a stir for the game at our place, claiming we'd restricted their allocation to 1,800. Turned out their pants were on fire, after our CEO confirmed before the game, Crewe could have up to 3,100 tickets if they wanted them. The initial allocation was based on what Crewe told Vale they expected to sell. After a few weeks they eventually sold that out a few days before the game, so blamed it on Vale. Then sold 300 extra in the end.

I could understand restricting the away support for Chesterfield, because they sell more than the difference, whereas Crewe probably won't come close, and could accommodate their support in the other 2 stands quite comfortably. In the end it could cost them not only the lost revenue, but additional policing costs with Vale in the home end. There's usually the odd one or two Vale in the home end anyway when we take the usual 2.3k there, so God knows how many will go in if they restrict us to 1.6k.

No one should be giving up two whole stands to away fans to be honest, and definitely not in a local derby or game that might be important for promotion.

 

[mozzavale]

Sounds familiar.

Notts allocation to Vale was based on the away following predicted by PVFC. They clearly underestimated how many tickets were needed and then understandably the fans were confused and moaned when they weren't given the next allocation by Notts but it was their own club fault that they were conservative in their estimates.

You're missing one key difference, we released additional tickets once the initial batch sold out, as was always our intention.

 

[mozzavale]

No one should be giving up two whole stands to away fans to be honest, and definitely not in a local derby or game that might be important for promotion.

You make it sound like these are normal football league size stands.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

You're missing one key difference, we released additional tickets once the initial batch sold out, as was always our intention.

We would have released additional tickets if the opposition club was confident of selling the majority of them. In case of NCFC Vs PVFC at Meadow Lane that wasn't the case.

Extra costs of opening up more of the stand is factored into the decision.

 

[valefan16]

The Crewe issue was they asked for more which we happily gave them yet they are capping ours below the normal we get despite the space so for me, next year we cap them if in the same league, Play offs as said we will give our opponents if in them what we get so no advantage, if X club wanted the full 3100 they'd have to give us the same, assume workable if its Bradford, Notts or Doncaster, not if its Crewe, AFC Wimbledon or Chesterfield, in the latter two case its fair enough due to capacity but we'd go I imagine for the same for fairness of non advantage.

As i said when Crewe claimed we capped them (which we said we didn't) and with the Notts one at this level we surely want where possible as many fans in our grounds and have them as full as we can watching this level of football as possible.

Seems mad to me that any club with capacity is capping away fans where possible at this level when we want to see huge crowds at this level, not to mention the loss of revenue from doing that.

 

[mozzavale]

We would have released additional tickets if the opposition club was confident of selling the majority of them. In case of NCFC Vs PVFC at Meadow Lane that wasn't the case.

Extra costs of opening up more of the stand is factored into the decision.

You're guessing, and running with it.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

It's a relatively straightforward equation for us.

No point opening up another section of the away stand if only an extra 200-300 fans are going to be in it. It's not cost efficient to do so. Of course if they are going sell lots more tickets then Notts will happily oblige as we have done many times before. That's why they ask the opposition club, like they did with Vale, in advance how many do you think you will sell. That dictates the total allocation.

 

[jacobncfc]

You make it sound like these are normal football league size stands.

Pretty sure we get like 1,800 along the side at Crewe, perfectly decent allocation in League Two IMO.

I get the frustration sometimes at places like Notts where it can be restricted despite it being one big empty stand, but Crewe have their own fans in the other three stands and give out an allocation way beyond what they have to just in that side one.

 

[mozzavale]

It's a relatively straightforward equation for us.

No point opening up another section of the away stand if only an extra 200-300 fans are going to be in it. It's not cost efficient to do so. Of course if they are going sell lots more tickets then Notts will happily oblige as we have done many times before. That's why they ask the opposition club, like they did with Vale, in advance how many do you think you will sell. That dictates the total allocation.

So that's a different approach to Vale, as we did open up more blocks, and only 300 Crewe subsequently bought tickets.

 

[mozzavale]

Pretty sure we get like 1,800 along the side at Crewe, perfectly decent allocation in League Two IMO.

I get the frustration sometimes at places like Notts where it can be restricted despite it being one big empty stand, but Crewe have their own fans in the other three stands and give out an allocation way beyond what they have to just in that side one.

It's 1,600. Crewe don't fill it though, they can accommodate their fans comfortably in the other 2 stands. In fact, most of the times we've played them they could comfortably accommodate all of their fans in the one main stand.

They're not obliged ofcourse, they can play these games all they like, it's their prerogative. However, it will massively increase the risk of Vale fans getting tickets in the home end, so they'll need to weigh up the risks and additional associated policing costs, against the advantage of a lower away following.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

So that's a different approach to Vale, as we did open up more blocks, and only 300 Crewe subsequently bought tickets.

Love thy neighbour perhaps.

Profit>Revenue

 

[Dan Phillips]

Pretty sure we get like 1,800 along the side at Crewe, perfectly decent allocation in League Two IMO.

I get the frustration sometimes at places like Notts where it can be restricted despite it being one big empty stand, but Crewe have their own fans in the other three stands and give out an allocation way beyond what they have to just in that side one.

Would make sense if Crewe could actually fill any of their current stands. It's just petty as fuck. They're shooting themselves in the foot and losing a shit load of money. A guaranteed fully sold out stand, or about 100 Crewe dotted about in it? I can't ever remember going to Crewe away and us not having both stands, apart from the midweek relegation season game in 08?

 

[Valeite]

I reckon Crewe will give us more when we have sold those, they may be just trying to get a buying frenzy going as it may end up on tv and fewer wanting to go.
I don`t go there anyway as it isn`t safe in the popular stand and the railway end is a complete joke.