League 2 General Chat Thread

[masi51]

You get standing at pretty much all music venues, festivals etc.

At Download festival for example you get 80k people stood in a field with mosh pits and walls of death or whatever kicking off left right and centre. But you're not allowed to stand at football in the PL or Championship because it's unsafe apparently.

I dont know if you are old enough or have ever been in a football ground terrace when it was full.
It was not safe .
They used to pass the injured down to the front at most matches. Luckily most were just winded.
Those slanted terraces with crush barriers thankfully are a thing of the past.
You simply cannot compare 100k in a field to 20k in a terrace

 

[SF_]

The German's seem to have cracked it in terms of safe standing.

Would love to have these on the Town End at Deepdale.

 

[Devon_Lad]

I dont know if you are old enough or have ever been in a football ground terrace when it was full.
It was not safe .
They used to pass the injured down to the front at most matches. Luckily most were just winded.
Those slanted terraces with crush barriers thankfully are a thing of the past.
You simply cannot compare 100k in a field to 20k in a terrace

I've stood in many a sold out terraces. As they still exist. Being young enough has nothing to do with it.

Terraces all across the world work just fine. As per you just ain't got a clue what you're talking about. Imagine being foolish enough to blame the deaths at Hillsborough on the fact they had a terrace and not because of the policing..and fans

 

[Devon_Lad]

 

[masi51]

The German's seem to have cracked it in terms of safe standing.

Would love to have these on the Town End at Deepdale.

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yes i can see these look great...leaps and bounds better then the old spread out crush barriers

 

[Chris FGR]

I dont know if you are old enough or have ever been in a football ground terrace when it was full.
It was not safe .
They used to pass the injured down to the front at most matches. Luckily most were just winded.
Those slanted terraces with crush barriers thankfully are a thing of the past.
You simply cannot compare 100k in a field to 20k in a terrace

Too young to have been pre-all seaters in the Prem/Championship, but stand at most games at this level and below, 3/4 of our ground is terracing, never been a problem with safety although crowds obviously a lot smaller.


Your lot would got an open terrace plus bus shelter had fans been allowed this season.

Think safe standing is a good option for the big clubs, atmosphere is way better with it.

 

[Indian Dan]

I’ve been in the CG with 32,000 others v Arsenal. Don’t think my feet were on the ground during the whole game. Brilliant!

Been going since 1968 and have never seen anyone carried down the terraces injured - unless there had been a ruck.

 

[E10rifle]

Really Bolton,Bradford Rangers Hillsborough Hysel Thankfully new stadiums have changed all that

1. An insane feat of overcrowding
2. Virtually everyone who died at Bradford were in the seated part of the stand.
3. A crush in an unsafe stairway.
4. A crush caused by disgusting, wilfully dangerous policing.
5. Hooliganism.

Literally the only one you could directly attribute to terracing is the Burnden Park disaster, though if everyone from Bolton is as terrifically stupid as you I’m not surprised it happened.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Really Bolton,Bradford Rangers Hillsborough Hysel Thankfully new stadiums have changed all that

Bradford was in a wooden seated grandstand. Really dont think you could compare our ground to Heysel or Hillsborough

 

[masi51]

I've stood in many a sold out terraces. As they still exist. Being young enough has nothing to do with it.

Terraces all across the world work just fine. As per you just ain't got a clue what you're talking about. Imagine being foolish enough to blame the deaths at Hillsborough on the fact they had a terrace and not because of the policing..and fans
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1. An insane feat of overcrowding
2. Virtually everyone who died at Bradford were in the seated part of the stand.
3. A crush in an unsafe stairway.
4. A crush caused by disgusting, wilfully dangerous policing.
5. Hooliganism.

Literally the only one you could directly attribute to terracing is the Burnden Park disaster, though if everyone from Bolton is as terrifically stupid as you I’m not surprised it happened.

I never said anything of the sort....those were the bad old days of little if any health and safety.
Christ they reckoned on near 200k at the 1923 cup final
Disasters happened and we have learned from them
The above comment is as low as you can go on a forum Delete it

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Disasters happened and we have learned from them

And what we've learned is it's not terracing to blame, it's poor crowd control either in numbers or policing behaviour.

 

[E10rifle]

The above comment is as low as you can go on a forum Delete it

Keep clutching those pearls.

 

[masi51]

Steep terracing with very few crush barriers have no place in football.
A preston fan showed how they do it in Germany
I would have no problem watching football on the terraces like that.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Haven't they stuck a bit of that rail seating in at Celtic too or is it still just a plan?

 

[Devon_Lad]

I never said anything of the sort....those were the bad old days of little if any health and safety.
Christ they reckoned on near 200k at the 1923 cup final
Disasters happened and we have learned from them
The above comment is as low as you can go on a forum Delete it

You literally called terrarces a death trap you twat, in response to our terracing at SJP.

 

[Chris FGR]

Read a bit about the Burnden Park disaster, tbh had never heard of it but it sounds fucking terrible. Unbelievable that they continued the game with corpses lying next to the pitch.

Tbf I think facilities, security and policing back then was miles away from what you get these days, no way would a stadium be over filled like that.

 

[masi51]

You literally called terrarces a death trap you twat, in response to ours terracing at SJP.

They have been in the past. Times have changed please show me where i mentioned SJP i have never even been there

 

[masi51]

Read a bit about the Burnden Park disaster, tbh had never heard of it but it sounds fucking terrible. Unbelievable that they continued the game with corpses lying next to the pitch.

Tbf I think facilities, security and policing back then was miles away from what you get these days, no way would a stadium be over filled like that.

Awful day in our History.
You cannot comprehend that the game was allowed to carry on they just laid the dead out along the front of the railway end and put coats over them and finished the game.
They reckoned on over 80,000 were on that day.

 

[dedwardp]

I love it when away fans, Walsall are prime at it - Around the midlands, act like an 8 hour round trip is a lot. Walsall was one of our closest matches one season, and we were their furthest match.

I remember seeing a journey chart in a Walsall programme one season about 15 years ago and that season they were our closest away game, and we were their furthest. Crazy. I regularly drive between Colchester and south Birmingham and it's really not too far at all when you get used to it.

 

[Essex2Wessex]

Some bad memories from your place in the pissing down rain

Yeah, sorry about that, we're all embarrassed about our away fans offering, which can only be described as substandard . The Wet Terrace it is.

 

[Essex2Wessex]

Haven't they stuck a bit of that rail seating in at Celtic too or is it still just a plan?

I *think* they have got it up there - and also down here, at Shrewsbury. I'm fairly sure that's the only EFL club with "Safe standing". Officially an experiment still, I think, but commonplace in Germany.

Probably there is a solid case for German fans in general being a bit more sensible/restrained than English fans, across the board. But at League one/two level, I'm sure it would work. Certainly general standards of health and safety in the UK now are worlds apart from what they were even in the 80s, let alone earlier.

 

[Andy Proctor]

Exeter isn't that bad of an away day they have some outdoor bar facility by the ground and on my last trip there they gave away for free any unsold pies pasties ect to the vale fans when leaving the ground. Both games I went though vale played shit and lost 2 nil.

 

[valefan16]

Exeter isn't that bad of an away day they have some outdoor bar facility by the ground and on my last trip there they gave away for free any unsold pies pasties ect to the vale fans when leaving the ground. Both games I went though vale played shit and lost 2 nil.

Oddly we’ve won 3 times in our last 6 visits to Exeter but always feels like we’ve been shit there. Actually a half decent record there!

Sure it was Exeter where their fans attacked the referee after we got a winner late on in the early 90s and of course qualified for Wembley for the first ever time there in 93 in the Autoglass (maybe the same game?)

 

[Devon_Lad]

Oddly we’ve won 3 times in our last 6 visits to Exeter but always feels like we’ve been shit there. Actually a half decent record there!

Sure it was Exeter where their fans attacked the referee after we got a winner late on in the early 90s and of course qualified for Wembley for the first ever time there in 93 in the Autoglass (maybe the same game?)

It was definitely exeter where that happened, have been told that story before

 

[Devon_Lad]

They have been in the past. Times have changed please show me where i mentioned SJP i have never even been there

You were literally replying to a conversation about going on terraces and SJP.
"Do you actually pay good money to go into these death traps. "

They were your words. Present tense. Which ground, in 2020, if not SJP, were you talking about then? You absolute belter. What terrace is a death trap? Name. One.

You haven't got a sodding clue about anything. Have you ever even been to a football game?

 

[Devon_Lad]

FUCK OFF PRICK Dont come on here talking shite......show me where i mention SJP
stop editing messages and taking them out of context........put up or shut up

It's literally on the previous page. We are talking about terraces and SJP. You said are you seriously paying to go into these death traps. Nothing edited. Which ground is a death trap if not SJP which was the comment above? You are talking present tense - are you paying. Name one that is a death trap? Any EFL or national league ground that is a death trap because it has a terrace. Come on, we're waiting..

 

[masi51]

It's literally on the previous page. We are talking about terraces and SJP. You said are you seriously paying to go into these death traps. Nothing edited. Which ground is a death trap if not SJP which was the comment above? You are talking present tense - are you paying. Name one that is a death trap? Any EFL or national league ground that is a death trap because it has a terrace. Come on, we're waiting..

Obviously you dont listen literally on the previous page..........now i will ask you again where and when i mentioned SJP

Now disapear........your blocked Twatty

 

[denzel ecfc]

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[Huntsman94]

Haven't they stuck a bit of that rail seating in at Celtic too or is it still just a plan?

Think so. They have in the away end at Tottenham as well.

 

[Luke Imp]

We're planning on putting rail seating when we expand the Stacey West Stand in the summer I think.