League 2 General Chat Thread

[GTFCfish]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825972039556956373

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825971174473363559

God knows why this happens so late, but that’s the double for Jones to go with the main player of the year. Langstaff and Crowley in the XI as well… that defence we had last season committed some incredible crimes.

I don’t rate Jones at all he’s always looked crap whenever we’ve played against him….

 

[chief]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825972039556956373

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825971174473363559

God knows why this happens so late, but that’s the double for Jones to go with the main player of the year. Langstaff and Crowley in the XI as well… that defence we had last season committed some incredible crimes.

3 players in the Team of the Season and you finished 14th.

One of the most overhyped teams I've ever witnessed in the lower leagues.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Or a team that had three absolutely fantastic lower league attacking players who tore it up at L2 level plus dodgy goalkeepers and defenders and a reckless attacking and entertaining approach.

Either or.

 

[Son of Cod]

I'm with Chief here, absolutely mad that a team finishing 14th has three players in it when Crawley haven't got a single one. Having said that, you can argue the case for all three Notts lot. However for me, at the very least, Crowley comes out for the excellent Liam Kelly. I'd be tempted to move DKD into that attack and stick Cannon in that midfield. I guess we're not trying to fashion a competitive formation here though, just shoehorning the players with the best goal contribution stats that play for bigger sides seems to be the aim for the midfield and attack. Quite who you're moving out of attack for that DKD switch though, I don't know. It's hard to argue against any of the three in that attack. Defence is absolutely fine, although I can't say I noticed Touray much he had previously impressed me at Salford. I thought he'd started the season a bit dodgy but I may well be misremembering that. Would be interested to hear the Stockport take on Touray.

 

[Stocky]

Our fans didn't rate Touray at all last season. He's actually got more credit from his opening two games this season than at any point last season. A more sensible pick at LB would have been just to stick left footed centre back Ethan Pye in if they wanted to do one of ours, he can play LB much more than Horsfall plays Right back or that midfield they've chosen plays midfield.

Despite us being Champions, can't argue for more of ours in. It was a team effort and with the injuries it was like batons being passed to do a couple of months of work each.

Glad Horsfall got recognised. Seems a generally underrated player when other clubs talk about us. Was possibly our most consistent player over the season and when he missed one game through illness, we were trounced 4-0 at Tranmere.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

League top scorer.
League top assister and by a country mile.

Both are always going to get in the League Two Team of the Year and rightly so. Jones was a no brainer and deserved winner of the best player last season.

Crowley's quality obviously but there are plenty of quality midfielders who could/should get in ahead of him. So a little surprised myself.

It's an award for individual players after all rather than their respective team's performance over the season. Where the club finishes shouldn't come into it, in fact if it does it should favour players who were outstanding performers at teams further down the league.

 

[chief]

Or a team that had three absolutely fantastic lower league attacking players who tore it up at L2 level plus dodgy goalkeepers and defenders and a reckless attacking and entertaining approach.

Either or.

It's impossible to leave out the league's player of the season and top scorer, but there's zero need for Crowley's inclusion.

 

[Grimsby Road]

We announced 6500 had been sold for Saturday, attendance was 5800!

We wont get a crowd over 7700 even if every ticket is sold because of all the ST holders that don't turn up . Not sure why so many don't bother it's almost like they buy one out of support but don't actually attend games

 

[Grimsby Road]

I didn't but to be able to do that you have to give more than just Port Vale.

Over 10% no shows is BIG even for August and a problem if you have an insufficient capacity like you do.

The capacity thing is a big issue and 1 that will lose us money big time if we ever do well / go up (unlikely i know ) just based on the crowds we get and the lack of ability to offer away allocation obove 1150 or whatever it is , an absolute no brainer that you need to be able to offer the full 2k away end to about half the teams in league 1 and a good handful in league 2 . Knowing that you can already fill the natural home end + 700 more in half the natural away end of home fans for half the games even in this league . The owners don't seem interested in trying to increase capacity though - they either don't want to for some reason or don't find it cost effective not sure which one and certainly don't agree it's not needed

 

[valefan16]

The capacity thing is a big issue and 1 that will lose us money big time if we ever do well / go up (unlikely i know ) just based on the crowds we get and the lack of ability to offer away allocation obove 1150 or whatever it is , an absolute no brainer that you need to be able to offer the full 2k away end to about half the teams in league 1 and a good handful in league 2 . Knowing that you can already fill the natural home end + 700 more in half the natural away end of home fans for half the games even in this league . The owners don't seem interested in trying to increase capacity though - they either don't want to for some reason or don't find it cost effective not sure which one and certainly don't agree it's not needed

What is the issue capping the attendance? We had this for a couple of seasons and think it was to do with toilets or something (a fellow Vale fan may be able to confirm) in a couple of the stands.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

We wont get a crowd over 7700 even if every ticket is sold because of all the ST holders that don't turn up . Not sure why so many don't bother it's almost like they buy one out of support but don't actually attend games

There you go. And that has nothing to do with summer holidays it's throughout the whole season.

 

[1862]

It's impossible to leave out the league's player of the season and top scorer, but there's zero need for Crowley's inclusion.

It was voted for by the players wasn't it? I think they're less likely to look at team success for this sort of thing.

 

[Gladders]

There you go. And that has nothing to do with summer holidays it's throughout the whole season.

There you go what? He didn't compare to other clubs!

As for the stadium, probably comes down to the fact the owners can't afford to build a new stadium or develop the current one no matter how much they may or may not want too.

We were meant to be getting a new training ground which they did want, but nothing has been mentioned for over a year again probably because it's unaffordable.

We were meant to be close to new investment a few months ago but again nothing mentioned probably because it's no longer happening. The owners may be rich but I think running a football club is costing them far more than they ever expected just for day to day stuff and feeding the supporters need for massive transfer budgets that they can't afford to do anything else.

 

[Son of Cod]

We wont get a crowd over 7700 even if every ticket is sold because of all the ST holders that don't turn up . Not sure why so many don't bother it's almost like they buy one out of support but don't actually attend games

While I don't disagree with anything else you've said mate, this bit is not true as we've had four or five crowds over 7700 in the last two or three seasons.

What is the issue capping the attendance? We had this for a couple of seasons and think it was to do with toilets or something (a fellow Vale fan may be able to confirm) in a couple of the stands.

We don't cap the attendance, we just have a fair amount of ST no shows which drags down the reported attendances for the vast majority of our home matches.

There you go. And that has nothing to do with summer holidays it's throughout the whole season.

Nobody has said it isn't an issue throughout the whole season, in fact it's been mentioned several times that it is. However that doesn't mean that the summer holidays wouldn't have been a factor on Saturday. These are two factors that can co-exist and both be relevant.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

The summer holidays is a non factor, it impacts every club and presumably to a very similar level. It's that "so many don't bother" "don't attend games" for the whole season which is the real puzzler.
It's a real issue when you have such a small capacity as I'm sure you can't sell the same seat twice (although I'm sure one club used to do it for away allocations ).

The sheer cost and lack of R.O.I. is surely the most likely reason. Regardless it's an absolutely huge issue for GTFC and their desire to progress back up the leagues to the promised land aka The Championship.

 

[Grimsby Road]

While I don't disagree with anything else you've said mate, this bit is not true as we've had four or five crowds over 7700 in the last two or three seasons.

We don't cap the attendance, we just have a fair amount of ST no shows which drags down the reported attendances for the vast majority of our home matches.

Nobody has said it isn't an issue throughout the whole season, in fact it's been mentioned several times that it is. However that doesn't mean that the summer holidays wouldn't have been a factor on Saturday. These are two factors that can co-exist and both be relevant.

Yeah I know the season before last there were a couple around 8k and 8400 for the Forrest game which was slightly different as it was effectively all walk ups . But pretty sure last time out Wrexham, County and Donny were all below 8k even though every seat was sold in the ground or thereabouts ; or at least the club said they were . That means the amount not showing for those games is close to 1k if we assume capacity is about 8400-8500 . It sure isn't the 9k they say it is lol

 

[Son of Cod]

The summer holidays is a non factor, it impacts every club and presumably to a very similar level. It's that "so many don't bother" "don't attend games" for the whole season which is the real puzzler.
It's a real issue when you have such a small capacity as I'm sure you can't sell the same seat twice (although I'm sure one club used to do it for away allocations ).

The sheer cost and lack of R.O.I. is surely the most likely reason. Regardless it's an absolutely huge issue for GTFC and their desire to progress back up the leagues to the promised land aka The Championship.

We're not talking about every club though, we're talking specifically about why our attendance on Saturday vs Cheltenham was as low as it was and why there were so many no shows. All people are saying is that the time of year could have been a contributing factor.

Yeah I know the season before last there were a couple around 8k and 8400 for the Forrest game which was slightly different as it was effectively all walk ups . But pretty sure last time out Wrexham, County and Donny were all below 8k even though every seat was sold in the ground or thereabouts ; or at least the club said they were . That means the amount not showing for those games is close to 1k if we assume capacity is about 8400-8500 . It sure isn't the 9k they say it is lol

Yeah definitely not 9k, must be around 8.5k. I can't actually remember if the Wrexham, Notts and Donny matches last season were "home sell outs" or not?

 

[Grimsby Road]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1826212365341233424

I dunno but the Bantams have cleared their allocation already and we can't give them anymore

 

[jacobncfc]

Our fans didn't rate Touray at all last season. He's actually got more credit from his opening two games this season than at any point last season. A more sensible pick at LB would have been just to stick left footed centre back Ethan Pye in if they wanted to do one of ours, he can play LB much more than Horsfall plays Right back or that midfield they've chosen plays midfield.

Despite us being Champions, can't argue for more of ours in. It was a team effort and with the injuries it was like batons being passed to do a couple of months of work each.

Glad Horsfall got recognised. Seems a generally underrated player when other clubs talk about us. Was possibly our most consistent player over the season and when he missed one game through illness, we were trounced 4-0 at Tranmere.

Jones played at left back so you might as well just stick him there.

 

[GTFCfish]

When I went to get my Notts tickets earlier 2 guys behind me with think Yorkshire accents asking if there were any Wednesday tickets available.
Come on lads try a bit harder ffs.

 

[Carver]

Ha that's funny.

 

[Grimsby Road]

There you go what? He didn't compare to other clubs!

As for the stadium, probably comes down to the fact the owners can't afford to build a new stadium or develop the current one no matter how much they may or may not want too.

We were meant to be getting a new training ground which they did want, but nothing has been mentioned for over a year again probably because it's unaffordable.

We were meant to be close to new investment a few months ago but again nothing mentioned probably because it's no longer happening. The owners may be rich but I think running a football club is costing them far more than they ever expected just for day to day stuff and feeding the supporters need for massive transfer budgets that they can't afford to do anything else.

I don't understand what happened with the investment , they talked like it was done - they rarely pipe up about anything unless it's completed so a weird one that . You think it's just fallen through ?

 

[Son of Cod]

I don't understand what happened with the investment , they talked like it was done - they rarely pipe up about anything unless it's completed so a weird one that . You think it's just fallen through ?

They said it wasn't a game changing amount of investment anyway, didn't they? Mike on DN35 seemed to think that it had been alluded to that the investment had already been spent. If that's true then putting two and two together makes me think that the investment was for the Main Stand renovations or some of the other maintenance bits that have been done in the summer.

 

[Grimsby Road]

There you go what? He didn't compare to other clubs!

As for the stadium, probably comes down to the fact the owners can't afford to build a new stadium or develop the current one no matter how much they may or may not want too.

We were meant to be getting a new training ground which they did want, but nothing has been mentioned for over a year again probably because it's unaffordable.

We were meant to be close to new investment a few months ago but again nothing mentioned probably because it's no longer happening. The owners may be rich but I think running a football club is costing them far more than they ever expected just for day to day stuff and feeding the supporters need for massive transfer budgets that they can't afford to do anything else.

Looks like the investment is coming after all

https://twitter.com/x/status/1827088417337045040

 

[Grimsby Road]

Looks like the investment is coming after all

https://twitter.com/x/status/1827088417337045040

Club Statement | 1878 Partners Limited - Grimsby Town Football Club

1878 Partners Limited can confirm that it has converted existing shareholder loans into equity and issued new shares to existing and new investors.

gtfc.co.uk

It's official , it's coming . Will be interesting how much and who they are

 

[Gladders]

Club Statement | 1878 Partners Limited - Grimsby Town Football Club

1878 Partners Limited can confirm that it has converted existing shareholder loans into equity and issued new shares to existing and new investors.

gtfc.co.uk

It's official , it's coming . Will be interesting how much and who they are

Wouldn't get too carried away, not sure how much was loans before but that isn't new money. I suspect the first lot of 4.5m is their loans being converted as it was around 3m a year or so ago. So about 1.6m of new investment.

As for the rest depends whether it's to make us sustainable, invest in ground or possibly the new training ground finally coming to fruition, or they blow it on playing budget. I suspect the former rather than the latter.

Either way this is some good news as the new investment has arrived and we no longer have the loans so making us more attractive to future investment.

 

[GTFCfish]

Oil money Grimsby.

 

[masi51]

Like him or loathe him, Gary Neville is one of the biggest commercial developers in Manchester. He probably doesn't have anything like the wealth of Lim, but he offers a different owners skillset.

Do not talk utter Shite.!!!!

 

[Agombar stool]

Do not talk utter Shite.!!!!

Revealed: The impact Gary Neville's £400m landmark Manchester development is having

Gary Neville's St Michael's scheme is being completed over two phases and will feature office space, a hotel and luxury apartments.

www.cityam.com

Tech giant takes on Manchester's biggest commercial let in two years in Gary Neville's No 1 St Michael's - Prolific North

Relentless Developments has signed a major deal with UK tech giant Arm to expand its presence in Manchester.

www.prolificnorth.co.uk

 

[masi51]

Revealed: The impact Gary Neville's £400m landmark Manchester development is having

Gary Neville's St Michael's scheme is being completed over two phases and will feature office space, a hotel and luxury apartments.

www.cityam.com

Tech giant takes on Manchester's biggest commercial let in two years in Gary Neville's No 1 St Michael's - Prolific North

Relentless Developments has signed a major deal with UK tech giant Arm to expand its presence in Manchester.

www.prolificnorth.co.uk

Gary Neville is just a face that gets things moving......I.E he opens doors to outside investment
Sal boy who in effect is Fred Done is the money man.
Neville is a wealthy man but is only a bit part player