Man City CEO calls for B teams to be allowed into the EFL

[masi51]

How many clubs of our ilk actually want to make the PL? We had 1 season and it fucked us up - same for quite a few others as well.

Be honest, all I want is to be able to support my club, get the occasional promotion, accept the probable eventual relegation, have a cup run now and again and watch some vaguely attractive football.

The lure of making it to the PL is not on my list of wants. Flirting with the Championship would do me. A successful season in L2 is great fun - beats the pants off being an also ran in L1.

The premier lge days were great. As you say its not the be all and end all. The truth of the matter is that clubs will not survive this year without a bail out.
The Salary cap needs extending to the Championship.
The Efl cup and the b teams need binning and the League cup retained by all clubs outside the premier.

 

[Indian Dan]

I agree that some clubs will not survive without some sort of bail out and it’s going to be difficult to turn down. If the PL becomes a closed shop so be it, but there has to be a huge incentive for the club winning the Championship in that case - entry to a European cup competition. It must have some intrinsic, standalone value.

I wonder what incentive there would be for big clubs that are outside the PL. Take Sunderland. PL stadium, crowd etc but if the furthest they can go would be winning the Championship. What owner would fund these kind of clubs without the carrot of PL riches.

 

[masi51]

I agree that some clubs will not survive without some sort of bail out and it’s going to be difficult to turn down. If the PL becomes a closed shop so be it, but there has to be a huge incentive for the club winning the Championship in that case - entry to a European cup competition. It must have some intrinsic, standalone value.

I wonder what incentive there would be for big clubs that are outside the PL. Take Sunderland. PL stadium, crowd etc but if the furthest they can go would be winning the Championship. What owner would fund these kind of clubs without the carrot of PL riches.

You would be promoted if you won the Championship, but proberbly be relegated because you could not attract the top players because you could only give them 12 month contracts no parachute payments see to that.

 

[Indian Dan]

Not if the PL became a closed shop - no promotion to, or relegation from.

 

[masi51]

Not if the PL became a closed shop - no promotion to, or relegation from.

Dont think thats part of the deal....
The premiership would soon lose all appeal, within 10 years the top six would break away into a European league leaving ten teams in limbo

 

[Indian Dan]

At the moment. Once this deal goes through the PL can command whatever it wants over the EFL.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Parry's comments in that article are an utter disgrace. What a spineless coward.

He should be handing in his resignation letter tomorrow morning if the detail comes out that it’s far inferior for his own member clubs.

 

[Trapdoor]

Fuck this. Any club accepting these proposals is a scab.

 

[masi51]

At the moment. Once this deal goes through the PL can command whatever it wants over the EFL.

Simple if they want a close shop i would breakaway from the premier lge Have our own cup competition and invite Celtic and Rangers into Lge two and join the Fa

 

[Kenneth E End]

Fuck this. Any club accepting these proposals is a scab.

Hang on until the detailed proposals come out, because if it is beneficial for league clubs there may well be room for negotiation. I’d argue some of what’s been proposed is good.

An important point is that the broadcasters need relegation drama. You saw the backlash when the no relegation idea was touted during lockdown.

 

[masi51]

Fuck this. Any club accepting these proposals is a scab.

Wigan Charlton and Hull would disagree.....Like it or lump it the promise of around a couple of million to get through the pandemic is on the table some teams will grab at the chance.

 

[#Beebot]

Wigan Charlton and Hull would disagree.....Like it or lump it the promise of around a couple of million to get through the pandemic is on the table some teams will grab at the chance.

I'm sure some will, but I expect strong resistance from much of the Championship to this.

 

[#Beebot]

Hang on until the detailed proposals come out, because if it is beneficial for league clubs there may well be room for negotiation. I’d argue some of what’s been proposed is good.

An important point is that the broadcasters need relegation drama. You saw the backlash when the no relegation idea was touted during lockdown.

Both the reduction of the top flight to 18 (effectively forcing additional relegations from L2) and the planned skewed voting in the PL are unacceptable.

 

[masi51]

Both the reduction of the top flight to 18 (effectively forcing additional relegations from L2) and the planned skewed voting in the PL are unacceptable.

The will be no additonal relegation from lge 2...Lge 2 clubs have 1 vote a piece.......More likely two to be relegated as normal but no promotion from the national league

 

[Indian Dan]

Why would the National League bother playing then?

 

[masi51]

it would be for one season only and as the National teams dont have a vote....they say shit rolls down hill and it will proberbly end up at grass roots football

 

[#Beebot]

it would be for one season only and as the National teams dont have a vote....they say shit rolls down hill and it will proberbly end up at grass roots football

It violates the agreement between the EFL and the National League.

 

[#Beebot]

Disingenuous, inaccurate, misleading bullshit from Parry here, who now thinks he has the right to speak on behalf of the entire EFL membership.

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[Super_horns]

No surprise Rick Parry likes the idea as he was once at Liverpool

 

[masi51]

Disingenuous, inaccurate, misleading bullshit from Parry here, who now thinks he has the right to speak on behalf of the entire EFL membership.

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just read the draft.....4 teams relegated from leagues 1 and two and three teams promoted

 

[Kenneth E End]

Longer term a third promotion place from non league should be considered. It should’ve happened already in all honesty.

 

[masi51]

Some good points, but the one where they say the season starts later so they can play more pre season games
[lucrative tours] and abolishing the community shield is so wrong on many levels.
That certainly wants binning !

 

[Chris FGR]

Why would the National League bother playing then?

For a nice shiny pyramid shaped trophy of course. And the champions get to try and defend their title next season.

This project big picture is just a power grab by a few clubs who want to create a closed shop and run football to their benefit.

Given that Liverpool and Man U have both suggested getting rid of 2 clubs for the good of English football, seems only right for them to be the ones to go.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Hang on until the detailed proposals come out, because if it is beneficial for league clubs there may well be room for negotiation. I’d argue some of what’s been proposed is good.

An important point is that the broadcasters need relegation drama. You saw the backlash when the no relegation idea was touted during lockdown.

Some of what's being proposed is good - to distract from the absolute bullshit that is at the crux of it!

The proposal is "us big 6 want more power and a lot more money", and the rest are just token gestures to try and get enough other people on board.

Rick Parry probably gets some kind of fee for being the patsy, therefore his opinion can be discounted. Also, his comments that "why should Huddersfield have the same voting rights as Man Utd?" should be a sackable offence.

 

[masi51]

Did you notice in the fans charter that away fans are to receive 3000 tickets or 8% whichever is the greater....That will leave you with about 100 tickets when you play us.

Each club will also be given £100 per seat for Fans experiance and infrastructure.......That will give us 2.8m annually
and Barrow about 10k

 

[Kenneth E End]

So the Premier League have blasted this proposal today. Perhaps they don't like the fact that these clubs will have the ability to sack the executive.

But what's worse is that Parry has given so many concessions for no backing by them. Scandalous.

 

[denzel ecfc]

So the Premier League have blasted this proposal today. Perhaps they don't like the fact that these clubs will have the ability to sack the executive.

But what's worse is that Parry has given so many concessions for no backing by them. Scandalous.

The Premier league dont like the prospect of losing two clubs and, more importantly, seceding power to the 'Big 6'. It would be the proverbial turkey voting for Christmas.

 

[valefan16]

For league one and two it’s not a bad deal we get the bailout we want and more money it seems going forward. As clubs most of us won’t have any Premier League aspirations bar an oil sheikh rolling in with billions so from a selfish POV it probably would be ok.

The cutting the Prem isn’t a huge dealbreaker as Germany have an 18 league and they play more games now, I don’t even think the play off idea is that bad as used across Europe with one of the top flight strugglers in the play offs.

Main issue is power though, assume it’s the big six plus Everton as the long stayers and maybe Newcastle and Villa if it’s based on overall time in the Prem?

It’s a dangerous game that, isn’t it similar in Spain where Real and Barca have big power with their own TV deals etc?

 

[Kenneth E End]

For league one and two it’s not a bad deal we get the bailout we want and more money it seems going forward. As clubs most of us won’t have any Premier League aspirations bar an oil sheikh rolling in with billions so from a selfish POV it probably would be ok.

The cutting the Prem isn’t a huge dealbreaker as Germany have an 18 league and they play more games now, I don’t even think the play off idea is that bad as used across Europe with one of the top flight strugglers in the play offs.

Main issue is power though, assume it’s the big six plus Everton as the long stayers and maybe Newcastle and Villa if it’s based on overall time in the Prem?

It’s a dangerous game that, isn’t it similar in Spain where Real and Barca have big power with their own TV deals etc?

The extra teams other than the Big 6 are pure tokenism, because if the big 6 vote as a bloc, they win the vote anyway.

It becomes like the ICC where certain countries will always vote with India (Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe et al) and nothing constructive ever gets done without prior consent of the senior parties.

If these teams veto ownership structures, officiating and start messing around with the league fundamentals such as handouts, academies and transfer policy, it should be a big no no.

 

[Super_horns]

Don't 14 clubs have to agree to whatever is on the table?

I think the reducing the league part will be the sticking point.

I mean they'd probably quite happily scrap the league cup and of course teams in the EFL will like more money.