Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[shoddycollins]

Yeah course, that was more tongue in cheek. It's an odd one for sure. Not ideal for you guys given the timing - least if you can get someone in quite soon they will have a few weeks of the Jan window

I'm hoping the timing can work in our favour. I'm sure a lot of out of work managers will be tempted by the opportunity to jump into a club 7th in the table just as the January window has opened. Money is the only big stumbling block, we can't exactly offer a big kitty to any incoming manager, hence why I wonder whether a) Chesterfield will have to pay us compensation, and b) this changes EWM's position on investing more money, they said they don't plan to as what they invested before was just to keep us afloat, but with the club at such a huge crossroads where a little bit of money could be the difference between getting promoted to League One and beginning a long spiral downwards that could end with relegation, they may be persuaded that a further investment will reap rewards for them.

 

[spireite]

Will Chesterfield owe us compensation?

Wouldn't have thought so, he's resigned. If he chooses to take another job that's up to him I guess.

 

[valefan16]

Doesn’t always work out a job is there if you fail. Micky Adams was the best L2 manager by a good way until his disaster at Tranmere f*cked his reputation and no one touched him since. Simon Grayson was the same in L1 until failure at Bradford has seen him not back in football.

Sheridan has survived on a record of short term turnarounds, he fails, losing that reputation and he isn’t worth it for anyone

With the stuff on and off field at Chesterfield am thinking it’s a grave error

Micky went and saved Sligo from almost certain relegation afterwards but then set up a consultancy firm after choosing to not stay on there as many of our fans (myself included) wanted him back after Brown went but he only came in to help advise on the new appointment.

 

[shoddycollins]

Wouldn't have thought so, he's resigned. If he chooses to take another job that's up to him I guess.

It's not necessarily as simple though, when Mark Warburton left Rangers to manage Nottingham Forest, he first had to get Rangers' agreement for them to waive the compensation that would be due if he got another job, implying that if Rangers hadn't agreed and he had just gone ahead and resigned, then Forest would have to pay Rangers compensation.

 

[AdamStag]

I'm hoping the timing can work in our favour. I'm sure a lot of out of work managers will be tempted by the opportunity to jump into a club 7th in the table just as the January window has opened. Money is the only big stumbling block, we can't exactly offer a big kitty to any incoming manager, hence why I wonder whether a) Chesterfield will have to pay us compensation, and b) this changes EWM's position on investing more money, they said they don't plan to as what they invested before was just to keep us afloat, but with the club at such a huge crossroads where a little bit of money could be the difference between getting promoted to League One and beginning a long spiral downwards that could end with relegation, they may be persuaded that a further investment will reap rewards for them.

I can't see Chesterfield having money to pay a decent sum of compensation, unless he's managed to wrangle leaving by "mutual consent" - if he resigns from you and then goes there surely you'd be entitled to something?

Someone said they were losing £20k a week! (though obviously might not be totally accurate) it's hard/impossible to see them running at any form of profit

 

[shoddycollins]

I can't see Chesterfield having money to pay a decent sum of compensation, unless he's managed to wrangle leaving by "mutual consent" - if he resigns from you and then goes there surely you'd be entitled to something?

Someone said they were losing £20k a week! (though obviously might not be totally accurate) it's hard/impossible to see them running at any form of profit

Didn't someone say somewhere, either on here, or maybe on Stagsnet, that Chesterfield have a reputation for paying managers well, they must have some money. They'll have had to pay off Martin Allen too I imagine.

The club haven't said 'mutual consent' they've just used the term 'resigned', Jenkins also added 'the request came from John' and 'we have reluctantly accepted his resignation'.

 

[AdamStag]

Didn't someone say somewhere, either on here, or maybe on Stagsnet, that Chesterfield have a reputation for paying managers well, they must have some money. They'll have had to pay off Martin Allen too I imagine.

The club haven't said 'mutual consent' they've just used the term 'resigned', Jenkins also added 'the request came from John' and 'we have reluctantly accepted his resignation'.

They do have that reputation yes.

It's served them well

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

It's not necessarily as simple though, when Mark Warburton left Rangers to manage Nottingham Forest, he first had to get Rangers' agreement for them to waive the compensation that would be due if he got another job, implying that if Rangers hadn't agreed and he had just gone ahead and resigned, then Forest would have to pay Rangers compensation.

Warburton was technically sacked by Rangers. The board and his backroom staff's agent thrashed out a deal which ended in their "resignations" which weren't conventional resignations per se, but the strong rumour was an English club (not Nottingham Forest) were tapping them up but then, due to the compensation package needing to be agreed, the club decided against going for them which led to the agent begging the club to reinstate them to no avail as the Rangers board got what they wanted out of it. This is why Rangers were more than willing to waive compensation when he got a new job. In effect, Rangers, who were going to sack them the following week anyway, saved themselves around £700,000.

 

[shoddycollins]

Warburton was technically sacked by Rangers. The board and his backroom staff's agent thrashed out a deal which ended in their "resignations" which weren't conventional resignations per se, but the strong rumour was an English club (not Nottingham Forest) were tapping them up but then, due to the compensation package needing to be agreed, the club decided against going for them which led to the agent begging the club to reinstate them to no avail as the Rangers board got what they wanted out of it. This is why Rangers were more than willing to waive compensation when he got a new job. In effect, Rangers, who were going to sack them the following week anyway, saved themselves around £700,000.

Has a bit of a knack of getting himself tied up in contractual shenanigans does old Mark Loaf.

Either way, it still implies that just because a manager has resigned prior to taking another job, doesn't mean no compensation is due.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Peterborough paid us compensation in the end I believe after Evans resigned to go to China but got stuck in Peterborough on route.

 

[shoddycollins]

Peterborough paid us compensation in the end I believe after Evans resigned to go to China but got stuck in Peterborough in route.

Now i get the China jokes I saw on Stagsnet.

 

[spireite]

Until Sheridan is seen doing some shopping at the big Tesco, I won't believe it.

 

[shoddycollins]

Rumours on the Chesterfield board is that Sheridan will be offered a contract making him the highest paid manager below League One. The way their owners like to mouth off I wouldn't be surprised if this was an intentional leak.

Where the fuck are Chesterfield getting this money from? Notice the Chesterfield fans there who have been giving shit to their owner for the past five years or more are now praising him.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Rumours on the Chesterfield board is that Sheridan will be offered a contract making him the highest paid manager below League One.

Where the fuck are Chesterfield getting this money from? Notice the Chesterfield fans there who have been giving shit to their owner for the past five years or more are now praising him.

Amazing how easily convinced people can be. However, you wonder if this would've happened if the fans didn't go on the pitch during that Solihull game...

 

[FishyMackem]

I believe this is right...

 

[Luke Imp]

Rumours on the Chesterfield board is that Sheridan will be offered a contract making him the highest paid manager below League One. The way their owners like to mouth off I wouldn't be surprised if this was an intentional leak.

Where the fuck are Chesterfield getting this money from? Notice the Chesterfield fans there who have been giving shit to their owner for the past five years or more are now praising him.

If true, it's bizarre given that he's not even one of the best managers below L1.

Not a wonder Chesterfield have such high debts if they have a Chairman who overpays like that all the time.

 

[shoddycollins]

Tommy Wright has been Sheridan's assistant at several places before, so I wonder why he hasn't followed Sheridan out the door. Could be his seen the lunacy in what Sheridan is suggesting they do and doesn't fancy it.

 

[AdamStag]

A best paid manager below league 1 managing conference north bound standard players.

Makes sense

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

If true, it's bizarre given that he's not even one of the best managers below L1.

Not a wonder Chesterfield have such high debts if they have a Chairman who overpays like that all the time.

You only have to see what they were paying Marc Richards and Chris O'Grady in the fourth tier to realise that.

 

[hellogregory]

I think he's fed up of commuting up to Cumbria every day. He's a bit of a homebody and this is pretty local for him. Could be his career in football up the wall though if he doesn't turn us around. I wonder if Dave Allen has promised him a war chest in the window

He rented a house here.

I think being the highest paid manager in L2 and NL is more to do with it

 

[Hooped Wizard]

He’ll be saving Oldham from relegation to the conference this time next year.

 

[shoddycollins]

He’ll be saving Oldham from relegation to the conference north this time next year by getting Chesterfield relegated instead.

Fixed that for ya

 

[Carver]

What in the fuck man??

 

[Carver]

I heard that Mark Yates is going to be our next manager.

Is he any good Macclesfield fans?

He seems to know this league well.

 

[AdamStag]

With the board and players you could put Guardiola in charge at the sheep dip and still be screwed

 

[hellogregory]

Probably the most embarrassing day I’ve had as a Carlisle United supporter. And that is saying something!

 

[Hamez]

Just posted something similar on our forum, but Sheridan hasn't had a full season at one club in nearly 4 years.

A 3 and a half year contract for someone so volatile is mental. He'll have left Chesterfield by October with a massive pay off.

 

[CFC91]

Rumours on the Chesterfield board is that Sheridan will be offered a contract making him the highest paid manager below League One. The way their owners like to mouth off I wouldn't be surprised if this was an intentional leak.

Where the fuck are Chesterfield getting this money from? Notice the Chesterfield fans there who have been giving shit to their owner for the past five years or more are now praising him.

You won't find many priasing our owners. The fans have been protesting outside games, stormed the pitch on Boxing Day and got the game stopped - those feelings won't go away. The manager is a small part of the issues at CFC, we could get Pep and it wouldn't change much because we a re a basket case. Even if someone is chucking some money around it's stupid, and we never learn, even is Shez is a abit of a coup

Didn't someone say somewhere, either on here, or maybe on Stagsnet, that Chesterfield have a reputation for paying managers well, they must have some money. They'll have had to pay off Martin Allen too I imagine.

The club haven't said 'mutual consent' they've just used the term 'resigned', Jenkins also added 'the request came from John' and 'we have reluctantly accepted his resignation'.

We aren't paying Allen, as it was mutual, but we are still paying Gary Caldwell, and only recently stopped paying off Dean Saunders. If he's resigned we won't pay Carlisle anything.

I can't see Chesterfield having money to pay a decent sum of compensation, unless he's managed to wrangle leaving by "mutual consent" - if he resigns from you and then goes there surely you'd be entitled to something?

Someone said they were losing £20k a week! (though obviously might not be totally accurate) it's hard/impossible to see them running at any form of profit

We lost over £1m LY so 20k a week is about right.

I have 3 thoughts, some synical, some hopeful.

Scary contract length and wages though being touted, why do we never learn? We could feasibly be sacking him in 9 months ( as we have everyone else since Cook) as a Conference North team. It would cripple us.

1 - Either DA has decided to chuck some money into it, 2 - or any proposed takeover has agreed to those kind of figures OR 3 - DA thinks the club is being sold soon and so has offered him loads knowing he won't be paying for it. Cynical but nothing would suprise me

 

[CFC91]

Just posted something similar on our forum, but Sheridan hasn't had a full season at one club in nearly 4 years.

A 3 and a half year contract for someone so volatile is mental. He'll have left Chesterfield by October with a massive pay off.

Posted the same above, we're going through managers every 8 months since Paul Cook left after the play off defeat to Preston. It will be costing us a bomb if this goes wrong, long contract + conference north. We will never learn.

 

[CFC91]

What in the fuck man??

My thoughts too.