Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[BlackHaddock]

From what I recall they seemed genuine, think they were leaning on Carol for advise initially but the issue does seem to be repairing older issues from before their time like us.

Carol went silent for a long period and explained because everything she said was jumped upon, notably her tearful speech after Lincoln, so she's now left all the comms to the CEO.

Yes, they are genuine fans of the club and decent blokes with some interesting ideas and beliefs. Trouble is some fans want it all at once and can't wait for the infostructure and non-football elements they can't see to disappear and have a proper footballing side to follow. Without more investment we are going to struggle again this season and it's upsetting some already.

 

[Gladders]

I thought they were Kevin and Carol MkII that said they haven't had it all plain sailing either, certainly last season was difficult and fans turned a little and a lot of money they did invest was repairing Vale Park and infrastructure that had been neglected over time.

They spent 10 Million over 5 years and fans were not happy. £5 million on the purchase roughly which was spread over 3-4 years (ground and club).

Then repairing the toilets, ground, pitch, training ground, youth system, coaching.

Can require some patience.

In their 5 seasons we had a decent season curtailed by Covid which we may have gone up, one messy one where relegation was a possibility out the EFL at one point, promotion via the Play Offs, a mixed season in L1, then a relegation breaking a few records in the process.

Its only now we are really see big money into the first team.

They are genuine and fans and have some money, just not loads. I get the impression it's costing them far more than they expected when they took over. They are investing and improving things, trouble is it's not spending millions on players and moving up the leagues so the fans don't care and think we should be doing that.

They have gone quiet on the supposed investment they said was coming in, so that's probably fallen through resulting in even less money available for the playing side. Artell will get the blame because we won't get promoted.

Like I say similar to labour, got to fix the underlying issues before they can achieve anything, but the public won't care about that and see no improvement.

We need several seasons of no ambition, just a nice easy mid table, to fix things and then we can push on. But if we aren't winning every week, or even the first game then we have no chance of ever succeeding again because the fans don't have that patience, unless a billionaire takes over and spends 100m instantly we will be non league again before too long and the fans will be to blame but they wont take any of the blame.

 

[Stocky]

They are genuine and fans and have some money, just not loads. I get the impression it's costing them far more than they expected when they took over. They are investing and improving things, trouble is it's not spending millions on players and moving up the leagues so the fans don't care and think we should be doing that.

They have gone quiet on the supposed investment they said was coming in, so that's probably fallen through resulting in even less money available for the playing side. Artell will get the blame because we won't get promoted.

Like I say similar to labour, got to fix the underlying issues before they can achieve anything, but the public won't care about that and see no improvement.

We need several seasons of no ambition, just a nice easy mid table, to fix things and then we can push on. But if we aren't winning every week, or even the first game then we have no chance of ever succeeding again because the fans don't have that patience, unless a billionaire takes over and spends 100m instantly we will be non league again before too long and the fans will be to blame but they wont take any of the blame.

You can't blame the fans, Grimsby are a very well supported club, away support in particular is outstanding.

I think you're all looking at this too deeply.

Artell is just not a good manager. Your club is fine.

 

[lordofthepies]

Artell is just not a good manager.

Most of the evidence from his career says he is.

 

[GTFCfish]

Most of the evidence from his career says he is.

Stocky’s Artell agenda is at best bizarre and at worst stalkerish.

 

[lordofthepies]

Stocky’s Artell agenda is at best bizarre and at worst stalkerish.

It's very weird

 

[Stocky]

Asbolute rubbish that I have an agenda against David Artell.

I just don't rate him. It's allowed.

The Grimsby Town fans are starting to come round to my way of thinking.

 

[Conker]

Artell is not the right man for Grimsby, mediocre at best.

 

[valefan16]

Artell is a funny one, he did well at Crewe but did kind of hit the right time with them and their youth output at the time.

Crewe is a system though and build on a set way so not easy to transfer unless the said club you move to is a similar ethos I would have thought in how they play football and develop their players.

Sure he will get a good reception from Vale fans if he survives long enough!

 

[PaulHaddock]

I would love to be proved wrong about Artell but I just can’t see it. But then I’ve always thought he was a wanker, even in his Crewe days.

They are genuine and fans and have some money, just not loads. I get the impression it's costing them far more than they expected when they took over. They are investing and improving things, trouble is it's not spending millions on players and moving up the leagues so the fans don't care and think we should be doing that.

They have gone quiet on the supposed investment they said was coming in, so that's probably fallen through resulting in even less money available for the playing side. Artell will get the blame because we won't get promoted.

Like I say similar to labour, got to fix the underlying issues before they can achieve anything, but the public won't care about that and see no improvement.

We need several seasons of no ambition, just a nice easy mid table, to fix things and then we can push on. But if we aren't winning every week, or even the first game then we have no chance of ever succeeding again because the fans don't have that patience, unless a billionaire takes over and spends 100m instantly we will be non league again before too long and the fans will be to blame but they wont take any of the blame.

I don’t expect a promotion push every year because that’s just not realistic. The budget seems far reduced this year, probably because we overspent on flops last year. I love the owners but they perhaps need to learn to not mention things that aren’t finalised, as when they don’t happen it leads to fallout.

 

[GTFCfish]

Artell is not the right man for Grimsby, mediocre at best.

Perfect fit for us then.

 

[hellogregory]

I’m calling it now, Paul Simpson will be the first manager to be sacked during the 24/25 League Two season.

Our owners have made it clear they expect promotion. They’ve given him a top budget to do so, are investing millions off the pitch on top of that, yet we look miles away from that, a bottom half team, probably bottom 6 standard based on what I'm seeing. The losing culture is still in this team and it stems from the manager. He’s still in inferiority expecting to be pummelled mode from last season. We have a tough set of fixtures to start with and there’ll be no hiding. Hope he proves me wrong but I reckon he’ll be gone by start of September.

 

[BlackHaddock]

All forgiven at Grimsby, a 2-2 draw at home to Rotherham and everyone is back on board the Artell Ball Cruiser!

 

[Carver]

I’m calling it now, Paul Simpson will be the first manager to be sacked during the 24/25 League Two season.

Our owners have made it clear they expect promotion. They’ve given him a top budget to do so, are investing millions off the pitch on top of that, yet we look miles away from that, a bottom half team, probably bottom 6 standard based on what I'm seeing. The losing culture is still in this team and it stems from the manager. He’s still in inferiority expecting to be pummelled mode from last season. We have a tough set of fixtures to start with and there’ll be no hiding. Hope he proves me wrong but I reckon he’ll be gone by start of September.

I'd sack the lot of them right now, Simpson, Abbott and Skelton etc. I'm fed up with all 3 of them at the club and they're never going to turn things around.

We need a new and better manager ASAP. I wouldn't mind us going for Gateshead's manager Rob Elliot he's done really well with them since taking over last season and has them playing good football as we found out last night. He's a young energetic manager with enthusiasm and isn't using hopeless tactics from the dark ages.

 

[hellogregory]

I'd sack the lot of them right now, Simpson, Abbott and Skelton etc. I'm fed up with all 3 of them at the club and they're never going to turn things around.

We need a new and better manager ASAP. I wouldn't mind us going for Gateshead's manager Rob Elliot he's done really well with them since taking over last season and has them playing good football as we found out last night. He's a young energetic manager with enthusiasm and isn't using hopeless tactics from the dark ages.

I'm not sure I'd sack them right now. It would make us a true basket case to let a manager assemble a squad over the summer then sack him before a ball has been kicked competitively.

However, he won't get long once the proper fixtures start and performances will have to improve to keep him in the job. This losing culture needs to be gone within the next couple of weeks or the place will turn toxic.

Agree on Elliot. He's done a good job there, he plays good attacking football so would be confident he'd do well at this level with a good budget.

 

[Scum.]

Mike Williamson soon to be sacked.

 

[spireite]

Wow, Don's not fucking around.

 

[Scum.]

Wow, Don's not fucking around.

More me living in hope than anything concrete I should confess.

 

[spireite]

More me living in hope than anything concrete I should confess.

I thought I saw on X earlier he'd actually been sacked? I wonder if it was someone pretending to be the official account and I didn't look long enough to notice.

 

[PuB]

Oh.

 

[RavenBish]

2 horse race between Williamson and Bell this

 

[kieran_vale]

Thing for Crewe if they sack Bell they’ll just do what they usually do and go internal and not much will really change I guess. Can certainly understand the sentiment behind moving on from him but I think part of that has to be what’s next?

 

[JJ1990]

The club are badly stuck in their ways, married to an academy model that isn't fit for purpose whilst many other clubs are producing talent at what I'm betting is a fraction of the cost.

And they're married into an internal appointment structure which yes, has led to success. Steve Davis got us promoted. So did Dave Artell. Lee Bell got us into the play-offs. But with Davis, there was a rapid drop off, 3 years of crappy form and relegation before he was finally sacked. With Artell, we fell apart, it was 1 season of horrendous form and relegation.

We won't sack him before September. The advantage at this level is only 2 go down, so we can afford to be more patient. I still think he can turn it around and make us a mid-table team, but he needs some results at quick, starting with another club who've started the season poorly in Swindon.

 

[Stocky]

Lee Bell did great last season, he deserves more time to turn it round.

Only 2 games in. We lost our first 2 last season and won the league. I think if memory serves we only had 5 points out of the first 18 available.

 

[JJ1990]

Stuart Maynard has entered the chat....

 

[spireite]

2 horse race between Williamson and Bell this

 

[GTFCfish]

Williamson has quit!*

New Zealand's Kane Williamson rejects central contract and steps down as white-ball captain

Kane Williamson says he remains passionate about playing for New Zealand but rejects central contract in order to pursue overseas opportunity during home summer; 33-year-old steps down as Black Caps white-ball captain after first-round exit at T20 World Cup

www.skysports.com

*Kane Williamson, the white ball captaincy.

 

[Conker]

Lee Bell did great last season, he deserves more time to turn it round.

Only 2 games in. We lost our first 2 last season and won the league. I think if memory serves we only had 5 points out of the first 18 available.

The underlying statistics suggested Crewe were at best an average team last season and massively overachieved. I agree Bell should get more time but this was always coming IMO

 

[saddler78]

Tbh I've picked Crewe to finish bottom half this season that's been there form since January had a great first half of the season which kept them in contention last season.

 

[hellogregory]

Three games in and enough is enough. Nothing has changed from last season, the losers culture is still suffocating the dressing room.

A new manager with new ideas is needed now. Not next week, not in a month after more dismal defeats. Now.

Paul Simpson thank you for the three promotions. But it’s time to go.