Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2022/23

[SF_]

Looks to me that they absolutely spunked the Gyokeres & Hamer money on bang average players and are letting the manager take the fall.

His terrible starts every year must be annoying though.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Really harsh decision. I’ve a lot of time for Coventry and Robins was a total class act in my view across many battles along our journeys together with them through the leagues to ultimately the playoff final.

I suspect there is stuff going on behind the scenes because his long time assistant left in the summer.

Think they do have the makings of a good side to be honest, maybe haven’t been able to have the form yet but he has a track record of getting that side to work for him eventually. They played really well against us, should never have been 2-0 down which was a complete fluke, decent win at Boro at the weekend. Sure last night was disappointing result to be sure, but they were starting to look a lot better. Derby scored twice off 3 shots, those games happen in the championship

 

[Kenneth E End]

@ Gary Sweet are you watching...

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

@ Gary Sweet are you watching...

Are you on the #EdwardsOut side of things then Ken?

 

[Kenneth E End]

Are you on the #EdwardsOut side of things then Ken?

Forgive me I meant to respond to this a few days ago and don’t wish to sound like a Sunday morning quarterback in light of yesterday’s events.

I think I’ve been pretty consistent for a month or so now that his race has run unfortunately. I’m gutted about it, but let’s face it, it’s a mess on the pitch but even before we started playing competitive matches, the pre-season for the second consecutive year was unimpressive. They were underprepared when Burnley came to town on the first game of the season.

I don’t like it generally when fans become incredibly fickle and want managers gone straight away. We haven’t been that way as a club. Since John Still left in January 2016 we’ve only sacked 1 manager. I like to think we’re a fairly patient fan base and our board of directors equally so. There was a period where we were changing managers once a year in non league but I think they quickly saw that it wasn’t the way to go.

There has been a pattern for some time. That’s what gets managers deservedly sacked. When results have been consistently poor for some time. I don’t know the exact stats but Edwards has about a 75% defeat record since Feb 1st. That’s simply inexplicable. And yet the style of play doesn’t change.

In fact, since WBA I think it’s got decidedly worse. Yes we were picking up points, but the Watford game is the only match this season where the team has played to it’s potential.

Mitigation is injury. We’ve had many, particularly in defence. But there are surely underlying trends as to why that is. Is it the S&C coaching, lack of toughness from players or just the training levels generally? There was a very odd statement in midweek about Shandon Baptiste which said something along the lines of him only having 100 pro games under his belt by age 26 and getting consistent matches under him. He is not a cheap signing yet take that risk!

We have got a slightly aging squad too which means some players have regressed from where they were a year ago.

Personally I think the biggest factor is the losing mentality. These players are not bad. They’ve just forgotten how to win. I think a refresh and a reset will be a trigger to turn it around.

This is why I believe Rob Edwards should leave the club tomorrow morning.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Forgive me I meant to respond to this a few days ago and don’t wish to sound like a Sunday morning quarterback in light of yesterday’s events.

I think I’ve been pretty consistent for a month or so now that his race has run unfortunately. I’m gutted about it, but let’s face it, it’s a mess on the pitch but even before we started playing competitive matches, the pre-season for the second consecutive year was unimpressive. They were underprepared when Burnley came to town on the first game of the season.

I don’t like it generally when fans become incredibly fickle and want managers gone straight away. We haven’t been that way as a club. Since John Still left in January 2016 we’ve only sacked 1 manager. I like to think we’re a fairly patient fan base and our board of directors equally so. There was a period where we were changing managers once a year in non league but I think they quickly saw that it wasn’t the way to go.

There has been a pattern for some time. That’s what gets managers deservedly sacked. When results have been consistently poor for some time. I don’t know the exact stats but Edwards has about a 75% defeat record since Feb 1st. That’s simply inexplicable. And yet the style of play doesn’t change.

In fact, since WBA I think it’s got decidedly worse. Yes we were picking up points, but the Watford game is the only match this season where the team has played to it’s potential.

Mitigation is injury. We’ve had many, particularly in defence. But there are surely underlying trends as to why that is. Is it the S&C coaching, lack of toughness from players or just the training levels generally? There was a very odd statement in midweek about Shandon Baptiste which said something along the lines of him only having 100 pro games under his belt by age 26 and getting consistent matches under him. He is not a cheap signing yet take that risk!

We have got a slightly aging squad too which means some players have regressed from where they were a year ago.

Personally I think the biggest factor is the losing mentality. These players are not bad. They’ve just forgotten how to win. I think a refresh and a reset will be a trigger to turn it around.

This is why I believe Rob Edwards should leave the club tomorrow morning.

Think thats a very fair assessment of it. I think i would still give it a bit longer but im not going to vehemently disagree with people who want him to go now.

I do feel for him though, the squad has been badly mismanaged in my view and i would love to know how thats happened - maybe thats Edwards fault too as he wanted these players but theres certainly a lot of culpability to go around. You could go to every area of the pitch and highlight multiple issues with the recruitment & squad management.

We will never know I guess but the night and day difference between the success of the recruitment under Jones and under Edwards is obvious.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Frank Lampard on the of the favourites to replace Robins at Coventry.

Sacking a club legend to replace him with a manager who has at best been very average, not great. Even the Derby side where he was regarded as having done a good job on reflection doesn’t look as good given who was in that side - Mason Mount, Harry Wilson, Tomori.

 

[SF_]

Average is being extremely kind to Lampard.

It would be a fucking woeful appointment.

 

[Super_horns]

Lampard to Coventry? - not sure if that will be a popular appointment with their fans.

 

[Super_horns]

No surprise this at all.

Came with a reputation for a certain style of play but it hasn't produced results.

Tim Walter: Hull City sack boss after 17 league games

Hull City sack boss Tim Walter after just 17 league games in charge, with the team in the Championship relegation zone.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

They were unlucky not to beat us imo, certainly played an interesting style but ultimately you need results and he’s not got them. Really no idea why they got rid of Rosenior.

 

[David Curries Mullet]

Because he wasn't entertaining enough. Hope the owners finding a relegation battle enjoyable.

 

[91SPP]

Average is being extremely kind to Lampard.

It would be a fucking woeful appointment.

We've learned a lot since Lampard was at Derby but he did do well - obviously you look at the players in the squad now and say we should've got promoted, but it wasn't the case.

Harry Wilson - excellent end product, poor general play. He was the definition of a luxury player.
Mount - was excellent, but had 3-4 months where he was struggling.
Tomori - struggled at the start of the season, but was excellent at the end. He won our POTY award because people remembered the end of the season, but he was completely out of sorts early doors. Lampard deserves a lot of credit for that - or Jody Morris who was very much a big part of that coaching staff. Similar to Rosenior and Rooney.

A few players from that team have questioned his competency, others have raved about him (usually the young players) but I would say that he has a lot of potential. Losing to Villa was no disgrace, they had probably the best team the Championship has seen: Elmohamady, Tuanzebe, Mings, Taylor, McGinn, Hourihane, Grealish, Adomah, Abraham, El Ghazi - The bench was very strong too.

I think getting Chelsea into the Champions League after selling Hazard and under embargo is very unstated too - he may have even won the Champions League if they kept him on.

 

[Tea Towel]

We've learned a lot since Lampard was at Derby but he did do well - obviously you look at the players in the squad now and say we should've got promoted, but it wasn't the case.

Harry Wilson - excellent end product, poor general play. He was the definition of a luxury player.
Mount - was excellent, but had 3-4 months where he was struggling.
Tomori - struggled at the start of the season, but was excellent at the end. He won our POTY award because people remembered the end of the season, but he was completely out of sorts early doors. Lampard deserves a lot of credit for that - or Jody Morris who was very much a big part of that coaching staff. Similar to Rosenior and Rooney.

A few players from that team have questioned his competency, others have raved about him (usually the young players) but I would say that he has a lot of potential. Losing to Villa was no disgrace, they had probably the best team the Championship has seen: Elmohamady, Tuanzebe, Mings, Taylor, McGinn, Hourihane, Grealish, Adomah, Abraham, El Ghazi - The bench was very strong too.

I think getting Chelsea into the Champions League after selling Hazard and under embargo is very unstated too - he may have even won the Champions League if they kept him on.

I’m with SF on this

Wilson scored 15 league goals for you lot that year, without him you’re mid table

Lampard added Mount, Tomori, Wilson, spunked millions on Waghorn and Marriott and finished in exactly the same position

Respectable season with Chelsea under difficult circumstances, then a fucking terrible one til he was sacked

Noticed you didn’t mention Everton, that’s probably for a reason

 

[Super_horns]

I think he has gradually got worse so does need to do some re-building - bit like Coventry themselves

 

[Super_horns]

A very odd move .

Obviously something has gone on behind the scenes ?

I know he had a go at some fans after their game on Saturday but still was doing an excellent job .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866465387925156205

 

[91SPP]

I’m with SF on this

Wilson scored 15 league goals for you lot that year, without him you’re mid table

Lampard added Mount, Tomori, Wilson, spunked millions on Waghorn and Marriott and finished in exactly the same position

Respectable season with Chelsea under difficult circumstances, then a fucking terrible one til he was sacked

Noticed you didn’t mention Everton, that’s probably for a reason

In terms of the year before: Rowett had a defensively solid side with the league's top goalscorer in Matej Vydra. It was also the most expensive side we have ever had in our history - £50m+ in intangible assets, £40m+ on the wage bill. Rowett left as Mel wanted to cut the playing budget down, but ultimately got lost in the hollywood of attracting Lampard.

I seem to remember that we made a net profit on transfer comings and goings that season - Weimann and Vydra alone recouped £14-15m. Waghorn, Marriott cost roughly half that. Those two, along with Baird, Bent, Shackell, Ledley, Blackman, Thorne, Martin and Butterfield would've been some significant money off the books too. We weren't signing players in the same class - Mount was an promising 18yr old, Tomori had just failed on loan at Brighton.. Wilson had done well at Hull but incredibly raw.

Wilson had a great left foot and would grab a goal out of nothing, but his general play and application was well-below the standard at the time. He had an end-product before he had anything else. Unless he scored, he would be one of the worst players on the pitch 9 times out 10.

You compare the Derby team to the Aston Villa team in the final - it's night and day. We had Tommy Huddlestone and Bradley Johnson in midfield, with Mason Bennett upfront. They had Jon McGinn and Jack Grealish in midfield, with Tammy Abraham upfront.

In terms of quality between the two sides, probably the biggest difference for a Championship final in decades.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

A very odd move .

Obviously something has gone on behind the scenes ?

I know he had a go at some fans after their game on Saturday but still was doing an excellent job .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866465387925156205

It is strange as he’s a club legend too. You’d think he would have a bit more leeway with the fans too.

 

[David Curries Mullet]

Sounds like Harris chose to go. Some saying he was always a short term appointment, and expected to leave at end of season anyway.

 

[Super_horns]

Seems like a harsh one after he got Oxford promoted last season .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1868284990976586174

 

[SF_]

That's mental. That Oxford squad should be rock bottom.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Very very harsh. Karl Robinson seemed to be there for years by just getting them close enough to being promoted without actually doing it.

Buckingham puts them over the top, they obviously are fighting to stay up and they sack him for it!

He’s the sort of manager I’d expect us to look at if we pull the trigger on Edwards too

 

[Tea Towel]

Bit worried about Southampton coming in for Danny Rohl after him being there previously. He’s well thought of

 

[Robie]

Des was born an Oxford fan and will remain a legend for getting us promoted but also for the extra work during his time here around mental health and leading the singing during the open top bus parade.

The board are clearly concerned by our inability to pick up points recently and must have a plan to employ and support a manager with experience surviving in the Championship. If it works, it works.

Many of us supporters would like to give Des more time, even accepting relegation as expected and unavoidable, but it’s easy to gamble other peoples money.

 

[BarrieOwl]

Bit worried about Southampton coming in for Danny Rohl after him being there previously. He’s well thought of

Different owners and they would have to pay a lot of compo

 

[SF_]

Surely Southampton will be after Moyes until the end of the season? Although I'm not sure he'd fancy that job.

 

[Tea Towel]

Different owners and they would have to pay a lot of compo

Ah fair enough I wasn’t aware it was different owners

No doubt still some of the same faces around the club that would give him glowing reference

Can’t see compo being an issue for a prem side unfortunately

 

[BarrieOwl]

Ah fair enough I wasn’t aware it was different owners

No doubt still some of the same faces around the club that would give him glowing reference

Can’t see compo being an issue for a prem side unfortunately

He spent 6 months there back in late 2018 to mid 2019 I don't think he has a huge attachment

 

[Tea Towel]

He spent 6 months there back in late 2018 to mid 2019 I don't think he has a huge attachment

You know a lot more than me pal I thought he was there for a couple of years

Let’s hope you’re right

 

[Super_horns]

Gary Rowett in at Oxford .

Good appointment I thnk.