Most tinpot thing I ever heard. (tinpot thread)

[DarkSithLord]

Classic!

 

[Luke Imp]

It's not really tinpot, but another video that makes me laugh is the Andy Brownrigg song by Buxton fans quite a few years ago now.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Norton United selling Panda Pops at a pre-season friendly I went to, didn't know they still existed!

 

[Andy Harrier]

It's not really tinpot, but another video that makes me laugh is the Andy Brownrigg song by Buxton fans quite a few years ago now.

Gosh, there's a name from the past! That is quite an entertaining video. Just looked Brownrigg up, apparently he played for 23 clubs in just 15 years including us in our promotion season.

 

[Bluandwite]

Ossett Albion's stand for the ball as the players come out, if it's good enough for the cup final then it's good enough for the Evo-Stik!

 

[dan_wrexhamafc]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31795986

 

[Joe.]

That Ramsbottom video is brilliant!

 

[Joe.]

Two points, it's not childish and he started it.

This is also pretty good. Nice whoosh below the post!

 

[shotaway]

Not tinpot but funny...

 

[Deuce_Bigalow]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-31832392

 

[shoddycollins]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-31832392

Is that the link you meant to post?

I don't get it

 

[Deuce_Bigalow]

Is that the link you meant to post?

I don't get it

Not as such tinpot but not worth its own thread. Vince is the moneyman behind FGR, so here's me hoping she takes him to the cleaners!

 

[shoddycollins]

Not as such tinpot but not worth its own thread. Vince is the moneyman behind FGR, so here's me hoping she takes him to the cleaners!

Ah I see... I was looking for the football connection

 

[GTFC1979]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-31832392

Can't understand why he divorced her, proper eye candy.......

 

[Greenacres]

Not as such tinpot but not worth its own thread. Vince is the moneyman behind FGR, so here's me hoping she takes him to the cleaners!

Why, because this has far more serious consequences than people just taking a dislike to the Chairman of a football club. In law there is a thing called precedent, which means that any judgement reached by a court can be quoted in any future similar case. If the courts find against Mr Vince then any person who like him has divorced years ago, then gone on to be a success later in life, might find their ex-partner coming after them for a share of their fortune. This is beyond poking fun at someone on a chat forum, it has serious implications for anyone considering divorce, if you are considering marriage then sign a pre-nuptial agreement.

 

[Master D]

Can't understand why he divorced her, proper eye candy.......

Which one is the woman?

 

[Pliny Harris]

Agreed Greenacres it's a truly bizarre ruling. And I'm wholly behind what Vince is doing in the energy sector, just not what he's doing in the footballing sector...

 

[rudebwoyben]

Why, because this has far more serious consequences than people just taking a dislike to the Chairman of a football club. In law there is a thing called precedent, which means that any judgement reached by a court can be quoted in any future similar case. If the courts find against Mr Vince then any person who like him has divorced years ago, then gone on to be a success later in life, might find their ex-partner coming after them for a share of their fortune. This is beyond poking fun at someone on a chat forum, it has serious implications for anyone considering divorce, if you are considering marriage then sign a pre-nuptial agreement.

It's also somewhat at odds with another divorce court ruling that a horse vet was entitled to have his maintenance payments to his ex-wife reduced because as he would be reaching retirement his income would be reduced. I can't see how Vince's ex-wife contributed to his success.

 

[Greenacres]

Agreed Greenacres it's a truly bizarre ruling. And I'm wholly behind what Vince is doing in the energy sector, just not what he's doing in the footballing sector...

I think you will find a lot of support for what he is doing in the energy sector, from far and wide, but at the same time he is using the football club as a platform for his green agenda. The way I look at it is that he is spending much of the advertising budget for his company on our football team, and seems to be getting pretty fair value, rather than investing it in faceless companies like Sky, ITV, etc.

 

[Pliny Harris]

I've seen him so much in the media for various things now that he should consider becoming a minor TV personality tbh. It's not any of that I disagree with of his, the main things are of course the bankrolling and that idea of his to move the club to somewhere just off the M5 at Stroud.

 

[Greenacres]

I've seen him so much in the media for various things now that he should consider becoming a minor TV personality tbh. It's not any of that I disagree with of his, the main things are of course the bankrolling and that idea of his to move the club to somewhere just off the M5 at Stroud.

I don't think many Rovers fans are in favour of the club moving ground, at least not in the near future. As for the bankrolling, I think you would struggle to find any club at any level of football that hasn't at some time in its history had a financial backer that gave it advantage over its competitors and allowed it to progress, it is just now that it is our turn but for some reason this seems to have attracted an unnatural level of bitterness from many quarters. To anyone who takes that view I would just suggest they look at the history of their own club and see where a local businessman has dipped into their pocket and helped the club, possibly funding a promotion or two, it shouldn't be too difficult to find some evidence of precisely that.

 

[Pliny Harris]

It's not grilling you, it's the principle of bankrolling. Financial backing is one thing the Shaymen have never had. It's never been our "turn". I don't care how prevalent it is within mine or anyone else's clubs, it's still unhealthy for the game and ironically very unsustainable. I'm sure many clubs can delve into their history and see promotion being achieved in much more fair circumstances worthy of admiration: Halifax Town were promoted as champions in 1997/98 having picked some rising stars with a small budget, while in 1984/85 Bury were promoted having used 17 players all season.

 

[Jemfy]

The issue people have isn't with the entire concept of bankrolling, but the degree to which it is done, and how far beyond the natural means it takes a club.

At least that's what I've come to believe.

When a club like FGR, Fleetwood, Crawley even the old R&DFC are bankrolled and able to pay much more in wages and transfer fees than traditionally "bigger" clubs, who get higher gates etc, then fans of those "bigger" clubs get bothered.

Sure everyone gets bankrolled to a degree, but that's what makes it even worse when clubs of such low natural income (as things stand at the time) are boosted beyond much larger ones by a rich owner for whatever reason. If income is topped by 10% annually nobody bats an eyelid, but if it's topped by 3-4x what it would otherwise be, because a chairman wants to sink money in, that's when people hate it.

I guess it's generally seen as luck to have big money men, and normal to have smaller ones.

Imagine how much healthier football would be in general if it could move away from everyone being bankrolled...

 

[Chris FGR]

I personally don't like clubs being bankrolled either, it rarely ends well and I'd rather support a club run sustainably with a secure future.

However, there isn't much fans can do. If you want to continue to support your club then you have to accept that you have no say in how it's run and just have to enjoy the benefits of watching a winning team while it lasts. Any dissenting voices have been pretty much drowned out and Vince has free reign to do whatever he wants with the club, which includes moving. If/when the move happens, I hope all those who aren't happy with it make their opinions known, but tbh I can see most just going along with it as they either don't want to rock the boat or see winning as more important then tradition or identity.

 

[Gassy]

Thing is, where does tradition start? In 100 years and FGR are a solid championship team with 20,000 week in week out, people would say they're traditionally a big club. Every club starts somewhere. As I said to people at work, what happens, happens. You just have to support your team either way.

 

[Pliny Harris]

The issue people have isn't with the entire concept of bankrolling, but the degree to which it is done, and how far beyond the natural means it takes a club.

At least that's what I've come to believe.

When a club like FGR, Fleetwood, Crawley even the old R&DFC are bankrolled and able to pay much more in wages and transfer fees than traditionally "bigger" clubs, who get higher gates etc, then fans of those "bigger" clubs get bothered.

Sure everyone gets bankrolled to a degree, but that's what makes it even worse when clubs of such low natural income (as things stand at the time) are boosted beyond much larger ones by a rich owner for whatever reason. If income is topped by 10% annually nobody bats an eyelid, but if it's topped by 3-4x what it would otherwise be, because a chairman wants to sink money in, that's when people hate it.

I guess it's generally seen as luck to have big money men, and normal to have smaller ones.

Imagine how much healthier football would be in general if it could move away from everyone being bankrolled...

Yeah, it gets more subtle at this point for sure. When you've got someone paying players 3x, 5x, 10x what they're getting in from gate receipts it's obscene. When you've got someone who uses that money to build up a new stand, fix some dilapidated training facilities, it's more "lucky" than anything to have that sort of financial boost that should arguably be funded centrally by the Foreign Millionaires League and FA. When a chairman empties his pockets on the league's best striker it's dubious, but less unfair than buying a whole non-league fantasy team. It distorts the competition and thus hampers those who operate more sustainably.

I don't really know any clubs where wages are topped by 10% of so by their board members or what have you but still disagree with it, but it's a proper light offence compared to the likes of AFC Flyde. It was funny to see Chester blow their budget with the Conference North already wrapped up on Lee Trundle, before their fans dug deep to sign Ben Mills from Macclesfield, both of whom were flops, helping Chester practically negate their profits from the glue league years.

I personally don't like clubs being bankrolled either, it rarely ends well and I'd rather support a club run sustainably with a secure future.

However, there isn't much fans can do. If you want to continue to support your club then you have to accept that you have no say in how it's run and just have to enjoy the benefits of watching a winning team while it lasts. Any dissenting voices have been pretty much drowned out and Vince has free reign to do whatever he wants with the club, which includes moving. If/when the move happens, I hope all those who aren't happy with it make their opinions known, but tbh I can see most just going along with it as they either don't want to rock the boat or see winning as more important then tradition or identity.

I agree entirely. Two good posts. I'd always distrust any chairman who injects a bit of money here and there over an identical chairman who didn't inject that money. It always ends, we never know when, but when things do unravel. It's another reason why we need supporters on the board if we can't have outright fan ownership, which I think will only grow in popularity. Sadly, I'd imagine we'd put up a limp fight if the Shay were moved to some backwater outside Dewsbury because as fans we're more likely to flay each other alive over attendance predictions than show some solidarity when things go to pot.

 

[Krazy8]

Tunbridge Wells showing the future of safe standing

 

[Master D]

The fact that TNS have already won the Welsh Prem title being 20 points clear in a 12 team league and haven't lost all season. Because they've got 10 times as much money as anyone else. Oh, and they actually play in England.

 

[ShrewdBlue]

Official ball retriever at Holyport FC in Maidenhead.

 

[Murphy]

Pitch roller destroying the goal at Brocklehurst causing a postponement this afternoon...