Most tinpot thing I ever heard. (tinpot thread)

[Aberstone]

Who would be offended by that?

It's a fair point though, I've not been on as much but will make more of a concerted effort from now on.

 

[GodsGift]

My sincere apologies to SOC if thats the case. I did not mean to cause any offence.

Fuck that, SoC's a bellend. All offence intended.

 

[FrankTheTank]

Just wanted to point out, that when Barrow went to FGR this season, those that went said there was never 1,200 in attendance (as was given as the official figure), and that even FGR fans had *apparently* told them that it's common knowledge they just pluck a figure from thin air.
I'm inclined to believe this sort of thing goes on, mainly because we used to do the same, but the opposite way around - play down the attendance figure! Whether it was for tax reasons, or whatever, I don't know - but it's pretty tinpot.

That's not true as it's all computerised now, everyone has to scan into the ground using a barcode on ticket, member card, barcode text to phone etc. They had some issues for a game or two with the scanners when they first introduced it the season before last, and people were being let through without counting, but that would have undercounted. But I think it's supposed to be very accurate now.

 

[Sparrow]

That's not true as it's all computerised now, everyone has to scan into the ground using a barcode on ticket, member card, barcode text to phone etc. They had some issues for a game or two with the scanners when they first introduced it the season before last, and people were being let through without counting, but that would have undercounted. But I think it's supposed to be very accurate now.

That's an interesting point, I had forgotten about having to scan your ticket when entering The New Lawn. That said, they could still claim the figure is higher or lower than what the computer comes out with.

 

[Cardsfan]

Crowds often seem a lot higher than reality, especially at certain grounds. Why would anyone do that though

 

[Sparrow]

Crowds often seem a lot higher than reality, especially at certain grounds. Why would anyone do that though

To make it look better to potential investors/sponsors etc, I imagine. You're right, though, as it potentially means more tax would have to be paid.

 

[Aberstone]

Braintree and Eastleigh have repeatedly been accused of doing that.

 

[Sparrow]

Braintree and Eastleigh have repeatedly been accused of doing that.

I think Eastleigh include, or have been accused of including, season ticket holders in their attendance when they aren't there.

 

[Master D]

My sincere apologies to SOC if thats the case. I did not mean to cause any offence.

Better give yourself a warning.

 

[mnb089mnb]

I think Eastleigh include, or have been accused of including, season ticket holders in their attendance when they aren't there.

That's what most Football League clubs do.

 

[Son of Cod]

Right. I think this has rumbled on for long enough. And its spoiling one of the finest threads on the forum

Could those with disagreements or vendettas please take them to PM?

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Haha sorry, badly worded on my account. I should have said "additional mod" not "another mod". I was trying to suggest that there was too much crap to wade through over the various threads getting out of hand for one mod. Admittedly, I forgot Aberstone was a mod at the time I wrote that. Absolutely no need to apologise to me either!

 

[EnglishRed]

Fans of tiny clubs bickering on a non league football forum. How tinpot.

 

[Luke Imp]

That's what most Football League clubs do.

I can remember when England were playing and Bradford vs Shrewsbury were on at around the same time. The attendance got announced at something like 15k when Sky were on air and the reporter had a look around and reckoned there was no more than 6/7k there.

As far as I know, our attendances have always been turnstile clicks like so:

 

[Southern Shayman]

I can remember when England were playing and Bradford vs Shrewsbury were on at around the same time. The attendance got announced at something like 15k when Sky were on air and the reporter had a look around and reckoned there was no more than 6/7k there.

As far as I know, our attendances have always been turnstile clicks like so:

I think some of the possible discrepancies at this level would come when corporate are added on. At a lot of grounds they just enter via reception and not a turnstile - leaving the opportunity to add or not add as many to the attendance as a club wishes. (I think)

 

[Chris FGR]

At our ground any home fan/corporate wanting to use the suite's upstairs can enter via reception. But there are still staff upstairs positioned at the entrances with scanners, so i'm pretty sure we should still have accurate numbers.

Pennock strikes me as a pretty analytical guy and his FGR certainly seem better drilled than the previous regime. So it wouldn't surprise me if he looks for very specific types of players to fill certain roles. The recruitment in the summer showed this as you weren't just buying the 'big' names like previous seasons.

Yep agree with that, he does.

Our signings definitely seem to based on specific criteria and how they fit into the set-up and system we play now, rather then just randomly signing big names. The team now seem to properly know their roles, which has led to us being very organised and well drilled, a big reason behind our brilliant start. We also have a lot of like for like players who can seamlessly slot in without there being any real impact on how the team plays. All in all, it seems a more intelligent approach to squad building has worked better then Hockaday's scattergun method. It should also prove a bit cheaper.

 

[Greenacres]

Our signings definitely seem to based on specific criteria and how they fit into the set-up and system we play now, rather then just randomly signing big names. The team now seem to properly know their roles, which has led to us being very organised and well drilled, a big reason behind our brilliant start. We also have a lot of like for like players who can seamlessly slot in without there being any real impact on how the team plays. All in all, it seems a more intelligent approach to squad building has worked better then Hockaday's scattergun method. It should also prove a bit cheaper.

I would agree with this view. If you look at our summer signings: Sam-Yorke, Marsh-Brown, Jones, O'Conner and Maxted, it is hardly the approach that Hockaday took, who if I remember rightly had something like ten strikers on the books at one stage. Sam-Yorke was seemingly fairly average for Lincoln, Marsh-Brown had a bit of a reputation at Barnet, so no big names there, only long ones. Jones and O'Connor had league experience with Newport, the former was returning to the club after a break of several years and Maxted was really signed because our two keepers had injuries. It does seem like there is some sort of systematic approach to putting the squad together but I wonder if that is more the influence of Jamie Day than anything else, either way it is working so far.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

I think some of the possible discrepancies at this level would come when corporate are added on. At a lot of grounds they just enter via reception and not a turnstile - leaving the opportunity to add or not add as many to the attendance as a club wishes. (I think)

Yep, at Barrow there are only two sets of turnstiles, while probably at least a third enter behind the club house where you just have to show your ticket - there is no way of knowing how many people are actually inside the ground without actually doing a head count.
Another thing that always used to bemuse/amuse me was when our announcer would read out the away attendance (how would they really know?) and it'd be about 50, despite only two people cheering when the opposition scored.
The attendance at Holker Street has always seemed like a work of fiction.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Barrow is brilliant. Last time we played them they ran out of change in the away end so were asking if you had the correct money and if not they let you in for free

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Barrow is brilliant. Last time we played them they ran out of change in the away end so were asking if you had the correct money and if not they let you in for free

No wonder the last lot almost went bankrupt... Haha.

I've been lying all along - by far the most tinpot thing ever was when we signed a player called Dominic Rowe on the day of a game and he came on as sub with his name and number drawn on his white shirt in marker pen. Needless to say, (being Cumbria) it was raining and he ended up with just a big smudge on his back. Don't think you can get more tinpot than that.

 

[rudebwoyben]

That is brilliant.

 

[les.gtfc]

Oh dear.

Obviously needs the publicity!

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/X...Grimsby-Town/story-27775027-detail/story.html

 

[mallyx68]

Oh dear...Grimsby have made a play for the tinpottedness trophy...

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[Reginald Fodstain]

Fucking hell, I'm going, so I'm gonna have to listen to that Might have to stuff a wet fish in each ear or something appropriate.

 

[les.gtfc]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34151983

 

[EnglishRed]

The Frome Cheese show does sound better than watching Frome v Chippenham.

 

[Greenacres]

The Frome Cheese show does sound better than watching Frome v Chippenham.

Indeed it does, around these parts people are more used to chasing cheese...which makes a break from chasing eggs, and at least you can eat it if you catch one!

 

[EnglishRed]

Indeed it does, around these parts people are more used to chasing cheese...which makes a break from chasing eggs, and at least you can eat it if you catch one!

Sort of like West Country Pokemon?

 

[Greenacres]

Sort of like West Country Pokemon?

Yeah a bit. Even though I like cheese there is no way I would chuck myself off Coopers Hill, which isn't far off a cliff face, in the vain hope that I might catch one.

 

[rudebwoyben]

They shouldn't have bothered switching as it finished 0-0.

 

[EnglishRed]

Yeah a bit. Even though I like cheese there is no way I would chuck myself off Coopers Hill, which isn't far off a cliff face, in the vain hope that I might catch one.

It does look like a great way to break your neck and legs!

I'll enjoy my cheese sitting down, and served with some crackers.