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You just want to pummel Salt's dumb opinion using stats that you don't even know how to use.
Ouch.
You just want to pummel Salt's dumb opinion using stats that you don't even know how to use.
I'm not backing Salts because he's wrong, I'm just saying that you can't pick a stat that suits your agenda and say "lol look he's shit". Especially for goalkeepers.
I looked it up, Nick Pope is top of the league in save percentage but imo nowhere near the best shot stopper in the league. Again, you can't use stats like this regarding goalkeepers in football because they are way too dependent on how the team plays. Burnley are extremely good at funneling shots straight at the goalkeeper by blocking the wide lanes (their cbs+Cork are all in the top 10 for blocks this season), which means most of the shots they concede come straight at the goalkeeper. I'd definitely back Mignolet to top the league in save percentage in that system, as I would almost every other PL goalkeeper. This wouldn't make Mignolet a better goalkeeper.
Most of the shots we concede, however, are premium chances. This is because we pressure very well outside our own box so we pretty much never concede long shots. Instead, when the opposition actually takes a shot, it's usually having beaten most of our defenders. Only Man City concede less shots than we do (Burnley are top). The correlation between conceding many shots and the goalkeeper having a good save percentage is quite strong, but again, funneling shots like Burnley does help, never conceding long shots but often getting beaten by deep balls does not help.
If you twist your thinking the other way around; we concede second least shots in the league. Do you genuinely believe that if we got any of the GK's at the top of the save percentage list, that we would actually start conceding the second least in the league? With Lovren, Moreno, Henderson? Of course not. You just want to pummel Salt's dumb opinion using stats that you don't even know how to use. In regards to save percentage, I'd recommend not at all.
I'm going to take another guess here: you have no idea how expected goals against is measured.i dunno about all that beelo mate, i tend to think you've taken a running gag a little bit too seriously. but i'll humour you for a bit anyways mate, cos you're a good mate and i've nothing else to do for an hour or so mate. what other stats would you suggest? expected goals against is a good one isn't it, given the theme of your post? ie. "premium chances" that you've made some excellent points about above. we'll have a go at that mate. before this weekends exciting pl action, mignolets expected goals against is 14.89. but somehow you've conceded 17 . now if we compare that to one of the keepers at the top of the save % list who, as you confidently and ofc rightly say, definitely wouldn't concede less goals if put in mignolets position with all the "premium chances" and that... de geas expected goals against is 12.57 yet he's only conceded paltry 6 . between 2013 and 2015 de gea made more than 3.5 saves per goal conceded while mignolet made 1.4. the average for gk's that are widely considered good pl keepers (all of which have a high save % coincidentally ) is around 2.5 or above. are you saying a shot on liverpools goal is over 250% more difficult to save than a shot on man utd's goal mate? come on that's a ridiculous statement to be making mate.
p.s as you're well aware (and maybe a bit jealous of?) salty is my very good and loyal friend and i find your attempts to stir up drama between us by suggesting i wish to pummel the bloke distasteful at best. to label his opinion dumb is also poor behavior on your part and i will be speaking to admin about your conduct. abusing other members is never ok, unless it's silky.
do you have anything tangible to back up your opinion that Mignolet is a shit goalkeeper? Looking forward to your response.
Yes mate, I used my eyes to watch him and came to the conclusion he is shit.
Ah, alright, so that's your basis of argument? "I've watched him. He's shit." Of course we could all argue like that, and shut down the forum tomorrow.
I’ve changed my opinion regarding Mignolet since February 2015 mate. I take this as you forfeiting.very interesting beelo mate, very interesting indeed mate. tell me more about these goalposts you spotted wandering around mate.
I'm not calling for stats in that instance, I'm calling for you to elaborate. I think. I mean it's nigh on three years ago, I don't even remember. But I know how you wish I would've called for stats. Which I very may well have, had you been lucky, I didn't know then what I know now about goalkeeping stats. Live and learn etc. Now meet me in the other thread I've got another thing to go over.presently... "here's various stats that show you he's shit"
"data is useless, you need to watch him to form an opinion"
previously... "i've watched him and formed my opinon, he's shit"
"that's a stupid argument"
yes beelo mate, you've clearly outdone me there mate.
either way i thought iit made for funny reading.
so i was right all along and you apologise unreservedly like you did with the glen johnson thing, right?
Alf-Inge Håland would disagree.He's typically Irish...all mouth.
Believe it or not you can go to websites like https://www.youtube.com and watch videos of things that aren't even happening live. You can even rewatch them multiple times. Some say you can even watch videos of things that happened before you were born...You're definitely older than your letting on chum!
Has Mark Clattenburg got a book coming out?
First claiming that he lost Spurs the title and now basically admitted big name players used to influence him.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ce=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=Direct
Some fans from smaller teams might say this is a regular theme with most officials!
Arsène Wenger = Renews Anger.
Claude Puel = Cue Dull Ape.
Alan Pardew = Warped Anal.
David Moyes = My Sad Video.
Roy Hodgson = Dog So Horny
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