The Bury summer signing uberthread. WARNING - Contains tinpot material

[Chris FGR]

Googled Fire Utd and found this thread on a non league forum about the team this pastor owns being a bit of a shambles last season. Sounds a bit tinpot tbh. Not sure this bid is credible.

http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/f...rum_view=forum_view_collapsed;guest=323349430

 

[Shrimpurh]

Nixon posted something that EFL sent Bury which does not sound positive.

 

[Bobbin']

A priest wanting to own a football club does sound dodgy as fuck.

Probably wants to bring in Tommy Shelby to carry out a hit on the canteen lady or something.

 

[valefan16]

EFL have confirmed to the Priest that they will not re-instate Bury to the EFL.

Not sure they really could of done, you could say yes again then it falls through and your doing the same circle again next week. If that is it then its probably for the best not to give false hope to the fans and make them suffer the same thing again.

 

[Raymondo316]

Hello, my name is Gustavo I am Brazilian, EU Citizen, I am Chairman and also coach of football in UK TEAM step 7b FIRE UNITED CFC, a club that for now stay with part time players, play inside of English League, and more 3 cups, a good place to be a SHOWBOX to english Football, our base is a lot Brazilian, all EU Citizenship, but also I have a Social Projects in India ( Orphanage 49 children), Nigeria, Brazil, Kenia.
I am in process of development another door open about be onwer of another club in Step 3 or 2 (Ryman or Conference) but implante my vision of FULL TIME players, show talents that is better place but not have opportunities in other clubs, I am looking a investor to this project.

FIRE UNITED CFC start his Season in September and also looking for some more Sponsor to enjoy us.
My email fireunitedcfc@hotmail.com

THE BIG DEAL:

I have a big strong project in UK in a team of step 3 to 2, and also for full time players and some wonder Brazilians players accepted come, all EU and Brazilians strong players easy to get Promotion to Team and also to Negotiations, Loans, make money in end of season, but to complete and start this I am looking for a partner investor.

Is a BIG DEAL, it start in a club with 25 Profissional players 15 EU BRAZILIANS full time, is a good strong Team for League and to FA CUP and etc!

I am Looking for an Investor!

Be blessed

Gustavo

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/gustavo-ferreira-71ab548a


This honestly doesn't sound like someone who has the type of funding hes claiming

 

[Bobbin']

Sure I had an email like that turn up in my junk the other day from some scam bot.

 

[PuB]

Just need to wait for a Nigerian price to turn up next...

 

[T.A]

He's coming in to take out Day, Dale and most the the EFL board including Harvey.

 

[Chris FGR]

Hello, my name is Gustavo I am Brazilian, EU Citizen, I am Chairman and also coach of football in UK TEAM step 7b FIRE UNITED CFC, a club that for now stay with part time players, play inside of English League, and more 3 cups, a good place to be a SHOWBOX to english Football, our base is a lot Brazilian, all EU Citizenship, but also I have a Social Projects in India ( Orphanage 49 children), Nigeria, Brazil, Kenia.


I am in process of development another door open about be onwer of another club in Step 3 or 2 (Ryman or Conference) but implante my vision of FULL TIME players, show talents that is better place but not have opportunities in other clubs, I am looking a investor to this project.

FIRE UNITED CFC start his Season in September and also looking for some more Sponsor to enjoy us.
My email fireunitedcfc@hotmail.com

THE BIG DEAL:

I have a big strong project in UK in a team of step 3 to 2, and also for full time players and some wonder Brazilians players accepted come, all EU and Brazilians strong players easy to get Promotion to Team and also to Negotiations, Loans, make money in end of season, but to complete and start this I am looking for a partner investor.

Is a BIG DEAL, it start in a club with 25 Profissional players 15 EU BRAZILIANS full time, is a good strong Team for League and to FA CUP and etc!

I am Looking for an Investor!

Be blessed

Gustavo

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/gustavo-ferreira-71ab548a


This honestly doesn't sound like someone who has the type of funding he claiming

So he doesn't have the funds to buy a Ryman League team without outside investment, despite owning a £500m pound gold mining firm?

 

[Plumbob]

Just need to wait for a Nigerian price to turn up next...

Or a Russian lady looking for friendship.

 

[Kim Jong Un]

If there’s one change that could easily be implemented and be a big step forward in transparency is to do away with undisclosed transfer fees.

It gives both clubs the opportunity to what boils down to fraud in their balance sheets. If anyone can come up for a reason why undisclosed fees are a good thing, I’d like to hear it.

Good idea. A good 90% of fees nowadays are undisclosed. Maybe higher than that below the Premier League.

 

[valefan16]

The Peterborough chairman had some decent ideas on his YouTube in fairness. Hopefully he and a few other voices will force reform.

 

[Back in the DHSS]

I’m flabbergasted no one stepped in to save Bury as someone always seems to step in and save ailing football league clubs at the last minute.
Having read the Guardians article on Bury’s loans in 2014 it was never a question of “if” but when the shit hits the fan. Whilst it’s devastating for Bury fans I also feel sorry for the clubs who missed out on promotion through no fault of their own.

 

[Meadow]

I’m flabbergasted no one stepped in to save Bury as someone always seems to step in and save ailing football league clubs at the last minute.
Having read the Guardians article on Bury’s loans in 2014 it was never a question of “if” but when the shit hits the fan. Whilst it’s devastating for Bury fans I also feel sorry for the clubs who missed out on promotion through no fault of their own.

AKA Mansfailed.

 

[Luke Imp]

I'm a little uncomfortable with this blame game the MP's are instigating against the EFL. They have their wrongs, of course they do, but they're making out that they've been hard done by when in fact the EFL provided deadline after deadline to get something done. They should be concentrating further on Day/Dale and getting them investigated (if not already).

This magical £7m bid from Brazilian guy who can now buy the Club? Where's he been hiding? Due diligence 'isn't an issue'? Why? Everyone else has walked away when they've got the books. Then there's the due diligence on the individual(s), which is another two weeks or so. Or is he in some way part involved in Dale/Day to get more money out of the Club? All seems very suspicious.

Of course, they can still get taken over and continue as the same Club, just not in the EFL, so the Club can still survive in its current form. They need to move forward, accept what's happened and focus on trying to salvage Bury in its current form and get sorted for next season.

 

[Gladders]

Aye, stinks of double standards. All the people blaming EFL for allowing people like Day and Dale to take over but then complaining because the EFL didn't allow some mysterious Brazilian who makes a bid 20mins before the deadline to takeover.

Can't have it both ways, simple Google searches show this Brazilian may not be as credible as people make out. At least the EFL have not just caved and let them takeover because if they did and it all wnet wrong again 6 months down the line these people complaining now would be asking why the EFL let them takeover in the first place.

As bad as it is right now for Bury and the EFL have badly let them down last nights decision was probably the right thing to do and it's time Bury looked forward to rebuilding their club without corrupt owners.

 

[WhiteRussian]

^^^ But the EFL haven't stopped them from taking over, they have refused to readmit them to the league^^^

I agree the EFL have not the best of records but I think people seem to perceive they have a lot more power than they actually have. The only teeth they have is to kick a club out of the EFL. Can you imagine the howls of anger from Bury supporters and other clubs if they had said 'Day didn't pass our owners standards, we are kicking you out'.

I agree the whole system is bad and something needs to be done but it needs to be set in black and white so there are no arguments from fans, MP's and whoever further down the line.

Get all the member clubs to discuss it, to set the rules and to set procedures for implementing so we don't get differences like has happened between Burt and Bolton.

It will be a radical shake up and not before time.

 

[Luke Imp]

At least it sounds like Dale's practices are being investigated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1167115333393686534

 

[Marked Ox]

Karl Robinson has suggested a bond has to be paid by a new owner (as others have as well) and our owner, Tiger, agreed with this yesterday on Radio Oxford. So, at the least, it forces a financial commitment from the owner that they risk if they screw up or try to asset strip. Also make it significant enough to put off chancers/asset strippers.

I would also like the Football League to do a detailed annual financial audit which penalties (points deduction, fines, forced relegation etc) can apply if certain standards aren't met. The French leagues manage to do this, iirc, so it is doable.

 

[Marked Ox]

At least it sounds like Dale's practices are being investigated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1167115333393686534

I read that as the Insolvency Practitioner is getting investigated rather than Dale. He and Stewart Day should be investigated though obviously. But that I assume would be the Police/Fraud Squad which could develop out of this investigation I suppose.

 

[Kenneth E End]

There needs to be something put in place because the situation, not just at Bolton or Bury, cannot continue as is. The Championship is loaded with debt. Clubs are being built on a foundation of sand. Something had to give.

Clubs, Bury included, are / were not learning these lessons; they had been through this cycle 3-4 times.

-New owners should need to put down a bond ("security deposit") of £1m with the league, 50% of which is returned within 12 months and the balance returned within 24 months.
-Clubs should be automatically relegated for an insolvency event and teams disqualified for the rest of the season 'to sort shit out'.
-Football creditors rule is scrapped.

 

[valefan16]

I read that as the Insolvency Practitioner is getting investigated rather than Dale. He and Stewart Day should be investigated though obviously. But that I assume would be the Police/Fraud Squad which could develop out of this investigation I suppose.

If this leads to the CVA being ceased it will surely then end the current Bury FC?

 

[Marked Ox]

If this leads to the CVA being ceased it will surely then end the current Bury FC?

I would have thought so but then losing their Football League spot surely has already in reality brought that to pass.

 

[T.A]

If this leads to the CVA being ceased it will surely then end the current Bury FC?

The CVA will fail anyway with us being out of the league. Unless in the unlikely event of someone buying us and wanting to pay it but that would be a silly decision when they could wait for a us to become a Phoenix club.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I know Bury fans are in a state of shock upon the revelations of this week but they're fighting a losing battle by taking the EFL to Court. There is absolutely no way they'd win because the League had every single right to expel them as they were served notice and Bury failed to comply with the demands in a suitable fashion. And they had extension after extension after extension. The EFL, despite their obvious and glaring faults, cannot win in any situation. Bury should've gone bust mid-season when Stewart Day's life came crashing down upon him, imagine the uproar from these social media warriors if they didn't sell to Dale and allowed the club to be expelled? Only, that dickhead Shaun Harvey enabled the swift sale to Dale, and now this is why we are where we are. I genuinely feel sorry for Debbie Jevans too, she's inherited the mess of that charlatan Harvey who has left a trail of destruction in his 5 years as chairman of the EFL. She is in an awful situation where League One clubs are demanding a swift resolution to this debacle whereas some Bury fans and a vast majority of sympathisers genuinely have no clue why we are where we are. I bet most of these bandwagon sympathisers don't even know who Stewart Day is for a start. Jevans is not entirely blameless but some of the flak she's getting is undeserved whilst the likes of Harvey and Day seem to be avoiding the line of fire from social media.

Day and Dale will both get what's coming to them in the next few years which will hopefully be long stints in a HMP somewhere in the North West. Stewart Day is comfortably the worst owner I've ever seen in English football, even worse than Peter "The Riddler" Ridsdale and Stephen Vaughan.

This Brazilian bid is all a falsehood and a tactic to delay the inevitable. That's the harsh reality of it all. The Brazilian pastors second name has now been changed from Ferreira to Benedito as well after his LinkedIn account was publicly exposed which obviously shows he's not the owner of cash reserves that can keep Bury functioning as a football club. But again, the bandwagon sympathisers want this bid to go through despite no due diligence? Really? Have they seen the colossally poor state of the finances that surround Gigg Lane, its car park and the football club itself? It's bleeding significant sums of money by the day to the point it's going to need at least 8 figures to get it onto an even keel. And which sane person is going to invest upwards of £10 million on a third division football club with gates of 3-4000? No one bar an asset stripper or spiv would. What if we're here again 6 months down the line? Then social media will be saying "EFL HOW COULD YOU LET THIS MAN PASS THE FIT AND PROPER PERSONS TEST?". We all have sympathy for Bury fans but some of the lack of awareness and logic by these people on social media thinking the club are an innocent party beggars belief. The fact of the matter is that the club is sadly beyond salvageable in its current guise and the only way for the current limited company trading as the club right now is liquidation.

The fight Bury fans need to go on now is to save Gigg Lane and that's one where I'm absolutely sure 100% of football fans will back them to the hilt on. We cannot lose a historic football ground like that to property developers and hopefully a team lower down the pyramid can represent the town of Bury and work its way up the leagues in a more sustainable manner. I hope they can achieve this sooner rather than later.

 

[valefan16]

Oddly one of the points of the letter to the EFL demanded to know “why was Norman Smurthwaite not deemed suitable to be chairman of Bury FC”

Made me chuckle that one! Don’t need to ask the EFL to explain that one!

 

[T.A]

I know Bury fans are in a state of shock upon the revelations of this week but they're fighting a losing battle by taking the EFL to Court. There is absolutely no way they'd win because the League had every single right to expel them as they were served notice and Bury failed to comply with the demands in a suitable fashion. And they had extension after extension after extension. The EFL, despite their obvious and glaring faults, cannot win in any situation. Bury should've gone bust mid-season when Stewart Day's life came crashing down upon him, imagine the uproar from these social media warriors if they didn't sell to Dale and allowed the club to be expelled? Only, that dickhead Shaun Harvey enabled the swift sale to Dale, and now this is why we are where we are. I genuinely feel sorry for Debbie Jevans too, she's inherited the mess of that charlatan Harvey who has left a trail of destruction in his 5 years as chairman of the EFL. She is in an awful situation where League One clubs are demanding a swift resolution to this debacle whereas some Bury fans and a vast majority of sympathisers genuinely have no clue why we are where we are. I bet most of these bandwagon sympathisers don't even know who Stewart Day is for a start. Jevans is not entirely blameless but some of the flak she's getting is undeserved whilst the likes of Harvey and Day seem to be avoiding the line of fire from social media.

Day and Dale will both get what's coming to them in the next few years which will hopefully be long stints in a HMP somewhere in the North West. Stewart Day is comfortably the worst owner I've ever seen in English football, even worse than Peter "The Riddler" Ridsdale and Stephen Vaughan.

This Brazilian bid is all a falsehood and a tactic to delay the inevitable. That's the harsh reality of it all. The Brazilian pastors second name has now been changed from Ferreira to Benedito as well after his LinkedIn account was publicly exposed which obviously shows he's not the owner of cash reserves that can keep Bury functioning as a football club. But again, the bandwagon sympathisers want this bid to go through despite no due diligence? Really? Have they seen the colossally poor state of the finances that surround Gigg Lane, its car park and the football club itself? It's bleeding significant sums of money by the day to the point it's going to need at least 8 figures to get it onto an even keel. And which sane person is going to invest upwards of £10 million on a third division football club with gates of 3-4000? No one bar an asset stripper or spiv would. What if we're here again 6 months down the line? Then social media will be saying "EFL HOW COULD YOU LET THIS MAN PASS THE FIT AND PROPER PERSONS TEST?". We all have sympathy for Bury fans but some of the lack of awareness and logic by these people on social media thinking the club are an innocent party beggars belief. The fact of the matter is that the club is sadly beyond salvageable in its current guise and the only way for the current limited company trading as the club right now is liquidation.

The fight Bury fans need to go on now is to save Gigg Lane and that's one where I'm absolutely sure 100% of football fans will back them to the hilt on. We cannot lose a historic football ground like that to property developers and hopefully a team lower down the pyramid can represent the town of Bury and work its way up the leagues in a more sustainable manner. I hope they can achieve this sooner rather than later.

I would say the court case from the fans point of view is to show the EFL for their failings not to get back in the league as such.

 

[PuB]

Is there a funding page yet for a Phoenix Bury to set up? I wouldn’t mind chucking a couple of quid in

 

[Raymondo316]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1167083671523868673

 

[Super_horns]

For a man who said he didn't really care about Bury or football he seems to be saying a lot here against the EFL:

https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/...isLpV_Co06vlxNVMOvV3U5s2lVV6tMT_f5RJNeYYbuw-s