The Coalition of Expensive Chaos

[Aber gas]

I'm sure there must be ways to give the NHS opportunities to make some money without compromising what it exists for at it's core. What would stop the NHS from having a more capitalist wing that does boob jobs and liposuction for profits that it can then reinvest back into itself? The BBC is essentially socialized TV, but that doesn't mean it can't make a few quid too.

I think that's a great idea , you could go even further and nationalise all health care . Say to anyone who wants a boob job , that's fine but your paying the nhs for it .

 

[mnb089mnb]

I'm sure there must be ways to give the NHS opportunities to make some money without compromising what it exists for at it's core. What would stop the NHS from having a more capitalist wing that does boob jobs and liposuction for profits that it can then reinvest back into itself? The BBC is essentially socialized TV, but that doesn't mean it can't make a few quid too.

My wife works for the NHS and does work for private firms quite often. Patients pay to jump the waiting list to get their serious, but not life threatening, heart issues sorted out (basically). Sometimes NHS patients get bumped so they can fit a private one in at the end of the day.

 

[Aber gas]

My wife works for the NHS and does work for private firms quite often. Patients pay to jump the waiting list to get their serious, but not life threatening, heart issues sorted out (basically). Sometimes NHS patients get bumped so they can fit a private one in at the end of the day.

My mums a manager in the nhs and the bumping of nhs patients is one of her biggest irritations . It shouldn't happen but it's hard to prove that a patients delay is due to private patients taking precedence. Bit murky all round tbh .

 

[Red]

I'm sure there must be ways to give the NHS opportunities to make some money without compromising what it exists for at it's core. What would stop the NHS from having a more capitalist wing that does boob jobs and liposuction for profits that it can then reinvest back into itself? The BBC is essentially socialized TV, but that doesn't mean it can't make a few quid too.

At first it struck me that it was a waste of public money paying for boob jobs, but some people actually suffer from depression because of the size of their chest pupp's, whether too big or too small. Similar with trans gender procedures. I'm not adverse to exploring ways of letting the private sector run stuff so long as like you say it doesn't infringe on the clinical stuff.

Then again didn't all the MRSA shit kick off when private contractors took over the cleaning?

 

[silkyman]

So the rest of the post office is being sold. I think Osborne's mates in The City did very well last time, so that's ok.

What next? NHS?

 

[Red]

That's a more long-term project they're working on.

 

[Destruction]

smh

 

[Techno Natch]

Psychoactive bill is amusing.

 

[blade1889]

Sol Campbell to throw his hat into the ring of becoming the Conservative London Mayor candidate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33047030

Ok Sol.

 

[mowgli]

Sol Campbell to throw his hat into the ring of becoming the Conservative London Mayor candidate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33047030

Ok Sol.

And when he doesn't win will claim it's because he's black not because he's a total dickhead!

 

[Red]

I know he's said some stupid things that people focused on but learning that he's a Tory is the worst of all for me.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

I see Gideon is considering £5Bn of welfare cuts to the tax credit scheme.

From the BBC article:

"Changes would cut entitlements for about 3.7m low income families by about £1,400 a year, the IFS said."

Scum, subhuman scum.

 

[mowgli]

I see Gideon is considering £5Bn of welfare cuts to the tax credit scheme.

From the BBC article:

"Changes would cut entitlements for about 3.7m low income families by about £1,400 a year, the IFS said."

Scum, subhuman scum.

He never mentioned that before the election he must have been afraid of the votes the tories would lose. For all the people who voted tory you have been conned and there's a lot more pain to come for the poorest in the country to come, "All in this together" my arse!

 

[Red]

I see Gideon is considering £5Bn of welfare cuts to the tax credit scheme.

From the BBC article:

"Changes would cut entitlements for about 3.7m low income families by about £1,400 a year, the IFS said."

Scum, subhuman scum.

So much for being the party for working people.

 

[silkyman]

He never mentioned that before the election he must have been afraid of the votes the tories would lose. For all the people who voted tory you have been conned and there's a lot more pain to come for the poorest in the country to come, "All in this together" my arse!

They were very open that they were cutting £12bn from welfare - even if they refused to say where that would come from.

If you depend on benefits in any way, voted for them and hoped that it might be someone else getting shafted, then you've only got yourself to blame.

 

[mowgli]

They were very open that they were cutting £12bn from welfare - even if they refused to say where that would come from.

If you depend on benefits in any way, voted for them and hoped that it might be someone else getting shafted, then you've only got yourself to blame.

Thing is people in work getting top up benefits because their wages are so low didn't expect to be hit but thought the unemployed/sick and disabled would take the biggest hit, if you believe the Tories bullshit and voted for them then it's your own fault.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

The minimum wage increases come the Autumn which should help those receiving top up benefits to make ends meet. Governments do as they always do - give in one hand and take with the other.

The whole 'living wage' idea is interesting, if paid across the board then there would be much less need for any top up benefits and thus the government could more legitimately pursue it's smaller welfare footprint. The imminent minimum wage increase doesn't go far enough to do that.

 

[Red]

The minimum wage increases come the Autumn which should help those receiving top up benefits to make ends meet. Governments do as they always do - give in one hand and take with the other.

The whole 'living wage' idea is interesting, if paid across the board then there would be much less need for any top up benefits and thus the government could more legitimately pursue it's smaller welfare footprint. The imminent minimum wage increase doesn't go far enough to do that.

It would. You, I, everyone else can see that, but they don't want to upset their business friends with such an imposition.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

If you're opening a new factory or choosing one to close, do you favour the country with a high minimum wage or a low one? And when your retail establishment has a ballooning wage bill do you take on more people? Do you raise prices? How do you pay for the inflated public sector wage bill? What about the new gap between those working minimum wage and those on benefits? What happens when prices adjust and the latter are even worse off? If anyone thinks it's an easy fix then they probably haven't quite grasped the possible ramifications.

 

[silkyman]

The retail point is interesting because by its very definition, raising the minimum wage means millions of people have more money, which means more disposable income and..... More people buying things in their shops....

 

[silkyman]

One or two people here who might have a basic idea on how economics works...

But no... We'll go with your idea George.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/12/osborne-plan-has-no-basis-in-economics

 

[silkyman]

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2015/06/old-etonian-tory-minister-in-lower-classes-gaffe-lord-ashton/

 

[Abertawe]

You posted that at 333, the fuck :jones:

 

[silkyman]

It usually comes between 3.32 and 3.34...

 

[silkyman]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-justice-system-is-failing-crime-victims.html

I've got a great idea lads...

Cut legal aid.

Derp?!

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

There is a discussion to be had about wasteful courts though. The solicitors that the state pays for, who are buddies with the judges, will drags things out for months to get their money's worth, and the money they charge is outrageous. I remember when I was younger getting a letter saying I'd been denied legal aid and my arse nearly fell out looking at the rates, was immediately granted it on appeal though.

 

[silkyman]

I can understand that, but let's not fuck people over by removing legal aid first.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Saying int he papers this morning the Government is trying to change the levels it takes to be called a child in poverty because they want to reduce the stats showing how many children are currently in poverty as its gone up in their term.

how about dealing with the issue than trying to change the stat

 

[mowgli]

Saying int he papers this morning the Government is trying to change the levels it takes to be called a child in poverty because they want to reduce the stats showing how many children are currently in poverty as its gone up in their term.

how about dealing with the issue than trying to change the stat

More fucking spin and lies from the tories!
Duncan Smith was asked by a labour MP in the commons how many people have commited suicide after Atos found them fit to work, he claimed the government didn't collect those numbers but his department do collect them, he refuses to let us know even though he's been ordered to do so by the courts.

 

[silkyman]

IDS is an absolute c***.