The Coalition of Expensive Chaos

[Womble98]

Young people don't vote enough, that is why they are so readily discarded when it comes to politics

 

[Aber gas]

Young people don't vote enough, that is why they are so readily discarded when it comes to politics

thats incredibly depressing , a government has a responsibility for everyone . Sometimes people have more immediate concerns than voting .

 

[Techno Natch]

If they do attack the Support group section of ESA then I really do worry for our disabled people in this country.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Next week is sort've why I've switched from Voting conservative to Labour in May. I still think it was the correct government in 2010 but I do worry about the fact they always go too far and too uneven, both I expect to really happen in the next 2 years.

Terrible the Hb stuff the people on 100% on the whole cannot even afford a fiver, and this in a same budget where they are seriously looking at reducing Tax on them earning £150,000...........so much for all in it together.

and I notice a lot of these decisions of course will hit everywhere EXCEPT London and the South-east............again we are of course all in it together.

 

[mowgli]

Should have voted lib dems guys

I did but my MP lost her seat in Wells because of that prick Clegg!

 

[.V.]

And the man orchestrating the cuts felt moved enough to cry at Thatcher's funeral, but persumably does no such things for the hundreds of thousands more children pushed in to poverty by his actions. Because being poor is a choice of course

 

[Red]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33353318

Here's the link I couldn't post last night. I should have mentioned it might apply to all people on HB.

Edit : Should also add that I got the age bracket wrong about HB, I said it was up to aged 25, but the proposal is actually 18-21 yr olds. Sorry about that Mr Duncan Smith.

 

[Red]

I "enjoyed" this line too: 'It says removing the £30 top-up for WRAG claimants would give people less reason to worry that they were getting the "wrong" outcome from their assessment.'
People won't have to worry about whether they might have been screwed over - they'll know it.

Since the 1980s the Tories have always dressed up welfare legislation changes in a way that implies they're making the changes for the benefit of recipients. I remember reading one of Norman Fowler's green papers on welfare reform and it the narrative was helping people out of the culture of dependency, helping people to help themselves. Their narrative hasn't changed.

If these changes we're discussing come to pass they will visit severe hardship upon thousands of people . These morons who think everyone on benefits has got a 40 inch TV and can afford to go abroad for a holiday every year need to get in the real world. They're the kind of people who will welcome these welfare reform changes, but either don't understand or care about how it will affect people. Having been a jobseeker myself recently I had to live very frugally and had there been a requirement to pay towards HB then I could not have managed.

Maybe the Tories are playing the game of wanting to leak proposals about damaging legislation, but leaking it in a way that makes it sound worse so that they can be seen to be listening and modifying when they tone the original proposal down.
As the report cites people claiming HB it might mean people who are working but get HB might have to pay more rent. This is the party on the side of working people. I just hope to God that there is enough opposition to this that it causes them to back down. It's often the same though, too many people who aren't on benefits don't care about people who are on them, there's no class consciousness. To me this proposal is as iniquitous as was the poll tax, but because it's only going to affect poor people there won't be the same widespread national revulsion.

If I could afford to leave this country I'd be gone in a shot. I might join ISIS, they seem more progressive than the Tories and it's nice weather all year round.

 

[Hooped Wizard]

And the man orchestrating the cuts felt moved enough to cry at Thatcher's funeral, but persumably does no such things for the hundreds of thousands more children pushed in to poverty by his actions. Because being poor is a choice of course

Bizzare comparison.

 

[Gladders]

If I could afford to leave this country I'd be gone in a shot. I might join ISIS, they seem more progressive than the Tories and it's nice weather all year round.

Hope you come into some money soon

 

[Womble98]

If I could afford to leave this country I'd be gone in a shot. I might join ISIS, they seem more progressive than the Tories and it's nice weather all year round.

aaaaaand you're on a list....

 

[Red]

Hope you come into some money soon

Thanks sugar tits

 

[Abertawe]

Are they really about to condemn 20,000, 18-21 year olds, to a life of ruin? It's a good time to be a class A drug dealer I suppose, gonna have plenty of clients soon enough.

 

[.V.]

How is Gideon able to cut Tax Credits and tax in the same budget?

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Cut tax credits and raise the threshold for the 40p tax rate. Tories all over that one! Take from the poorest, give back to the relatively well off.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

He has to be very careful with this budget though or they will be ousted in afew years and won't get back in for a long time.

This is a very dangerous Budget for the Chancellor because its all there on a plate for him.......no opposition, a majority government, news articles that can back his demands to cut, opposition party is a complete disorganized mess, etc, etc

it all sort've on paper means he can make his choices based on what they want and this will get little or no opposition to it...................but while that seems great for it this can also be when fatal errors get made as you think you've a massive comfort zone to do what you want then find 'bang' something suddenly changes and you've made a massive error because you comfortably thought you were in your element now......it is especially dangerous for the conservatives here since I do not think they got a majority based on everyone wanting them in, it was more fear factor and lack of options.

but it can be where they finally deliver on their good slogan 'all in it together' give a first proper budget to show they do mean that and they could well win a majority again down the line, but at present I am doubting it since the Northern powerhouse has collapsed within a month and now we're protecting London again, plus the budget seems to aim at the low earners again..........this is the conservatives first chance since 1997 to prove they have adapted, looks like they may fail, but we'll see.

 

[mnb089mnb]

He has to be very careful with this budget though or they will be ousted in afew years and won't get back in for a long time.

Kick the guys on benefits (apart from pensioners). Help the rich. That's what the country voted for. And that's what they'll deliver.

It's a few years until the next election - everyone will have forgotten this budget by then.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

The Lib Dems and Labour would not forget, this would be their ammunition afew years down line when next election came through 'remember what you got the moment you gave them a majority' etc, etc

 

[Alty]

Cut tax credits and raise the threshold for the 40p tax rate. Tories all over that one! Take from the poorest, give back to the relatively well off.

The top rate is 45p. Higher than it was for the vast majority of the last Labour Government's time in office. And this Government are also raising the income tax threshold for low earners.

Don't get me wrong. It'll still be a shit budget. The inheritance tax changes are likely to be particularly scandalous. But let's keep it in perspective.

 

[SUTSS]

But people will largely support the inheritance tax changes for some reason

 

[mowgli]

Kick the guys on benefits (apart from pensioners). Help the rich. That's what the country voted for. And that's what they'll deliver.

It's a few years until the next election - everyone will have forgotten this budget by then.

I doubt that mate. I wonder how many low and middle earners voted Tory thinking that JSA claimants and the disabled would be hit by drastic cuts but not them, serves them right for believing bullshit, you reap what you sow.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

The top rate is 45p. Higher than it was for the vast majority of the last Labour Government's time in office. And this Government are also raising the income tax threshold for low earners.

Don't get me wrong. It'll still be a shit budget. The inheritance tax changes are likely to be particularly scandalous. But let's keep it in perspective.

This isn't about the top rate though, it's about the 40p rate. Why give people earning over 42k a tax boost but hit the poor? It's disgusting. I'd be all for a little tax boost myself if it was warranted but whilst people are struggling, it's immoral.

The raising of the personal allowance was a good thing however lowering tax for those in the top 15% of earners is wrong.

 

[Gashead]

I doubt that mate. I wonder how many low and middle earners voted Tory thinking that JSA claimants and the disabled would be hit by drastic cuts but not them, serves them right for believing bullshit, you reap what you sow.

Turkeys voting for Christmas, wasn't it? I think a lot of voters were pretty deluded in how well off they actually are. These lot laugh at the 'middle classes', let alone the working classes.

On a side note, their stuff on maintenance grants this morning pissed me off, shows their 'ambition' nonsense is just that - rhetoric. No surprise though.

 

[Aber gas]

Turkeys voting for Christmas, wasn't it? I think a lot of voters were pretty deluded in how well off they actually are. These lot laugh at the 'middle classes', let alone the working classes.

On a side note, their stuff on maintenance grants this morning pissed me off, shows their 'ambition' nonsense is just that - rhetoric. No surprise though.

The next step to this is the raising of tuition fees . Piling yet more debt onto students . I Started saving for my kids to go to university when they were born but I know I'm in a lucky minority that can afford to do that . It makes a complete mockery of our supposed meritocracy that unless your well off the only way to get an education is by saddling yourself with crippling debt before you've even started off on life .

 

[Gashead]

The next step to this is the raising of tuition fees . Piling yet more debt onto students . I Started saving for my kids to go to university when they were born but I know I'm in a lucky minority that can afford to do that . It makes a complete mockery of our supposed meritocracy that unless your well off the only way to get an education is by saddling yourself with crippling debt before you've even started off on life .

When the first graduates appear from the '9k a year group', that's when the shit will hit the fan. They'll realise that they can't get enough money from it because not enough people will earn enough, and universities at the moment are massively overspending. Therefore two things will happen: the wage needed to start paying back will go down (from £21k to sub-£20k at least) and the rate of repayment will go up. It will get even worse when tuition fees are put up yet again.

They want higher education to only be for the elites - always have done. Ironic when their educations were paid for by their parents and then the state.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Trying to listen to the budget is ridiculous, the deputy speaker really is like a supply teacher trying to control a classroom of unruly kids. He has to keeping stopping every couple of minutes to tell off some of the children for shouting too much!

And this is the environment in which our country is run.

 

[Murphy]

Probably would have just been quicker to stick a massive middle finger up to anyone aged between 18-21 and anyone who's relatively (or chronically) poor and struggling in society. Government is *meant* to help the most vulnerable in society in my opinion, this is just abhorrent.

 

[Veggie Legs]

Minimum wage increase, so at least that's something to offset the tax credits cuts. No idea about the details, but sounds good in theory.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Trying to listen to the budget is ridiculous, the deputy speaker really is like a supply teacher trying to control a classroom of unruly kids. He has to keeping stopping every couple of minutes to tell off some of the children for shouting too much!

And this is the environment in which our country is run.

It's pathetic.

From those cheering, snarling and smirking to those shouting. History will judge them all badly.

 

[Gashead]

Given that the living wage in a lot of places needs to be £9 an hour now, I wonder how 'brilliant' that promise will look in 2020.

It's pathetic.

From those cheering, snarling and smirking to those shouting. History will judge them all badly.

They're all little kids, it's amazing how much of a game it all appears to them.