The Coalition of Expensive Chaos

[Cardsfan]

No pleasing some people, if you don't want the £221 go buy a big issue for £221 from someone.

Me I'll use the extra money to go towards a holiday, or put it into my kids saving account, cheers.

What's your point exactly? People should be happy to gain money from the government while it takes money away from the poor?

 

[Pagnell]

What's your point exactly? People should be happy to gain money from the government while it takes money away from the poor?

If said people voted Tory or buy into their ideology, that really goes without saying.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

It's quite a shrewd budget from Osborne, have to give him some credit. There are some seemingly pleasant headlines there, but some quieter snatching going on, most shockingly the end of grants for poor students which will have a massively negative effect.

 

[Modernist]

Yep the good bits were the ideas he nicked from Labour.

 

[mowgli]

And don't forget the £30 he's taken off the sick and disabled on ESA, he says it's only those put on the work related programme but anyone with a pulse is put on that even double amputees and people with serious illness that could kill them. Only yesterday another man commited suicide over his benefits being cut while recovering from mental illness and you can be sure he won't be the last do do so, this government has blood on it's hands and is the most cruel and heartless to the sick and disabled that i've ever known and i lived under Thatcher!

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

And don't forget the £30 he's taken off the sick and disabled on ESA, he says it's only those put on the work related programme but anyone with a pulse is put on that even double amputees and people with serious illness that could kill them. Only yesterday another man commited suicide over his benefits being cut while recovering from mental illness and you can be sure he won't be the last do do so, this government has blood on it's hands and is the most cruel and heartless to the sick and disabled that i've ever known and i lived under Thatcher!

Who cares? I've got £221 to go on holiday with. Ker-ching

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

From the BBC:

The Institute for Fiscal Studies has given its verdict on George Osborne's Budget - and says the poorest families will bear the brunt of the plans.

The think tank has told the BBC's World at One that the package of welfare measures will cost three million families an average of a £1000 a year each.

Its director, Paul Johnson, said the government was "plain wrong" to argue that the National Living Wage will compensate for tax credits cuts.

“There is simply not enough money going in to the new minimum wage to anywhere near compensate in cash terms people on tax credits."

3m families ON AVERAGE £1,000 worse off. It's indefensible really.

 

[mowgli]

Who cares? I've got £221 to go on holiday with. Ker-ching

Just pray you never become sick or disabled as your £221 won't last long.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

I'd be able to pay for Sky TV for a couple of months and eat a few McDonald's meals. Life would be bliss when the benefits gravy train arrived.

 

[merseyboyred]

A perfect budget for Katie Hopkins' Britain.

 

[mowgli]

A perfect budget for Katie Hopkins' Britain.

If we all ignore the vile bitch she'll fade into obscurity where she belongs.

 

[Gladders]

Who cares? I've got £221 to go on holiday with. Ker-ching

Thought you was so concerned about the poor that you was giving it to them?

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Thought you was so concerned about the poor that you was giving it to them?

Fuck 'em. 7 nights in Benidorm sounds much better.

 

[mowgli]

Fuck 'em. 7 nights in Benidorm sounds much better.

Hope you get the shits!

 

[mnb089mnb]

Thought you was so concerned about the poor that you was giving it to them?

I were, then I saw what I could spend the money on.

 

[Gladders]

I were, then I saw what I could spend the money on.

good, make sure you put it in your kids savings accounts then you won't have to worry about them getting in debt and relying on government funded loans to help them through university.

 

[mnb089mnb]

good, make sure you put it in your kids savings accounts then you won't have to worry about them getting in debt and relying on government funded loans to help them through university.

Those loans are at great rates. You'd be mad not to take them whatever your financial position.

 

[silkyman]

And don't forget the £30 he's taken off the sick and disabled on ESA, he says it's only those put on the work related programme but anyone with a pulse is put on that even double amputees and people with serious illness that could kill them. Only yesterday another man commited suicide over his benefits being cut while recovering from mental illness and you can be sure he won't be the last do do so, this government has blood on it's hands and is the most cruel and heartless to the sick and disabled that i've ever known and i lived under Thatcher!

I'm sure terminally ill people being asked when they think they are going to die will help.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Well another blinding idea coming out today from IDS that they are considering an idea where people pay out of their wages over time to cover for Sick pay and Unemployment pay.

at least you know now why the wages are going up..............its going into these ideas.

 

[merseyboyred]

Well another blinding idea coming out today from IDS that they are considering an idea where people pay out of their wages over time to cover for Sick pay and Unemployment pay.

at least you know now why the wages are going up..............its going into these ideas.

Well, wages are only going up for those below the current minimum, & with the removal of tax credits etc. they're going to be worse off. So this seems like it'll make the most worse off even poorer then?

 

[mnb089mnb]

Well another blinding idea coming out today from IDS that they are considering an idea where people pay out of their wages over time to cover for Sick pay and Unemployment pay.

National Insurance?

 

[blade1889]

Can somebody explain the 'earn to learn' proposal to me? Feel like I'm being daft not understanding it.


As for student grants being turned into loans-great. It is not a bad idea if you understand it and that's from someone taking full benefit of the current grants. Its essentially a tax on the future VERY high earners who will easily be able to afford paying them back.

If I had a 10K student loan or a 100K student loan and earned 31Kper year id still pay the same amount back (£900 per year). But would obviously pay that amount back for more years depending on the size of the loan.

However after a certain amount of years (not sure exactly how many years) if I haven't payed back the loan I stop paying it back and any remainder 'debt' is simply wiped. Currently the vast majority of students never pay off their current loans and new graduates wont either (loans will be ~45K currently and ~55K with the grant to loan change) simply because they don't earn enough. If they don't earn enough to pay off their loans currently then they will never pay back the extra loan that comes from the grant to loan change, so in effect nothing will have changed for the vast majority of people. However if you're in the fortunate position where you do earn very large sums of money post-university and would be in a position where you pay off the total loan amounts you'd currently have accrued then you will start paying the extra loans back...but you'll be a top earner and be able to. I really don't see the issue, this is not a law against the current poor but the future rich.

 

[silkyman]

So I see he is postponing the foxhunting vote (get those important things sorted ASAP, eh you fucking toff c***) until after he can ban the scots from voting on it, because they were going to vote against it.

 

[silkyman]

National Insurance?

National insurance where everyone is only in it for themselves. Personal insurance? Medical insurance?

 

[mowgli]

So I see he is postponing the foxhunting vote (get those important things sorted ASAP, eh you fucking toff c***) until after he can ban the scots from voting on it, because they were going to vote against it.

It would never get through even without the SNP, around 30 Tory MP's say they will vote against it and that includes some ministers plus Labour MP's have been told to vote against it ( not that they would vote for it anyway)

 

[spireite]

I don't mind a fox hunting plan being delayed, but I do mind the SNP tactically voting against against things that don't affect their country just for the sake of being contrary. This was always going to happen after our broken voting system allowed them to get so many seats

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

Ends justify the means, anything which winds tories up is good.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Not sure it does wind the Tories up, because the Tory party itself was heavily split on fox hunting and under a free Whip vote it would have failed. I reckon there was never any intention of loosening the fox hunting law.

I think the Tory hierarchy picked the issue knowing full well that the SNP would weigh in on this one, and thus it would stoke the fires for English votes / English laws which in the bigger picture is a million miles more important to them given the size of the Tory margin in England.

The second the SNP opened fire, Cameron was straight out talking about EVEL. I don't think he even mentioned fox hunting once

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Well since we've got an English government elected based on fear of the Scottish government that was voted in based on fear of the English government..............its bound to get more extreme.

I do not at all think Scotland wanted an SNP dominated set-up and I do not at all think England wanted a conservative dominated set-up.......both got in through lots of cheap fear based propaganda on t'other lot...............quite ironic really.

bound to get worse over the next few years as both parties know how to get the other to react to help themselves I think AFCB_Mark has it spot on, tories have used SNP superbly thus far to get exactly what they want, SNP has been playing into their hands superbly in 2015 and continues to do so.

Saying that I do not think votes should be allowed to just get scrapped at short notice just because it may now not be won by government who asked for it................isn't the fact a government can be stopped called something like Democracy???

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I also notice reading today the tories are trying to attack Unions and hit labour in a very political minded move.....making it tougher to strike, and many other things.

while I can actually agree with some of them moves, my worry is with the economy still quite fragile its really the wrong time to risk a mass 70's/80's style Union/government stand off of mass strikes, transport worries and the like............country cannot afford to take the big losses if things come to a standstill.