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Exactly. So don't people on that flight wonder why, instead of flying over frozen wastes, as they would expect, they are going north, and down the west coast? Even the flat earth route is far further than the plane with the longest range in the world can handle.
Geography not one of your strong points Silky?
 

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To the sun point. I was basing that entirely on Flat Earth assumptions. The Flat Earth Society themselves say it is between two and three thousand miles up.

At 2,000 miles up, 6,000 miles away, it's going to be almost 20 degrees above the horizon. If I'm up a hill or with no buildings blocking my view. I would be able to see the sun at midnight. Even with buildings and the like, the darkest it would ever be would be a permanent twilight.
 

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To the sun point. I was basing that entirely on Flat Earth assumptions. The Flat Earth Society themselves say it is between two and three thousand miles up.

At 2,000 miles up, 6,000 miles away, it's going to be almost 20 degrees above the horizon. If I'm up a hill or with no buildings blocking my view. I would be able to see the sun at midnight. Even with buildings and the like, the darkest it would ever be would be a permanent twilight.
So you now have x ray eyes? you can see 6,000 miles in front of you LOL don't forget the sun isn't as big or as bright ......
 

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Why do I need X Ray eyes to see something that is in the sky with nothing between me or it?

Why would it be so bright that you can't actually look at it when directly overhead at 2000 miles away, be large and bright when it's five thousand miles away (according to Flat Earth logic) and completely invisible and dark a short while later.

Funny how the stars apparently should remain the same brightness over distance, to fill the sky, but the Sun can fade to nothing in a few miles.
 

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Why do I need X Ray eyes to see something that is in the sky with nothing between me or it?

Why would it be so bright that you can't actually look at it when directly overhead at 2000 miles away, be large and bright when it's five thousand miles away (according to Flat Earth logic) and completely invisible and dark a short while later.

Funny how the stars apparently should remain the same brightness over distance, to fill the sky, but the Sun can fade to nothing in a few miles.
No no no, your not understanding simple logic, if as NASA say space is indeed infinite. Logic would say that the sky would be completely full of stars. The light they give off would fill the sky ............think every expanding collage LOL........there would be no black just light.
 

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Why do I need X Ray eyes to see something that is in the sky with nothing between me or it?

Why would it be so bright that you can't actually look at it when directly overhead at 2000 miles away, be large and bright when it's five thousand miles away (according to Flat Earth logic) and completely invisible and dark a short while later.

Funny how the stars apparently should remain the same brightness over distance, to fill the sky, but the Sun can fade to nothing in a few miles.

funny how you can't use the same logic on the horizon...........and it being completely flat........at eye level............always LOL
 

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I've found this thread fascinating. That someone would try and simplify the earth to a flat plane.

NASA don't say the universe is infinite.

Olbers paradox was something that came up in the 19th Century, when we thought the universe was static, and infinitely old.

But it isn't.

All the light is still up there, the whole sky is alight. However, as the universe is expanding a lot of that light is being stretched, red shifted, so the human eye can't see it. We can detect it using clever telescopes though.

Olber's paradox is part of A Level Physics/The NASA conspiracy for power and money.

Still, this thread has been a cracking read, even if it is a little sad that some people are so devoid of wonder they believe the earth is somehow special in the universe.
 

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No no no, your not understanding simple logic, if as NASA say space is indeed infinite. Logic would say that the sky would be completely full of stars. The light they give off would fill the sky ............think every expanding collage LOL........there would be no black just light.

Light doesn't work like that. If I lit a candle a mile away you wouldn't be able to see it.
 

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funny how you can't use the same logic on the horizon...........and it being completely flat........at eye level............always LOL

Because on your logic, the distances involved with the sun aren't enough to make a difference. It WILL always be above the horizon, and would always be visible. A star a billion light years away simply isn't visible to the human eye. Look through a good enough telescope and yes, you do see a blanket of light.
 

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This is an image from a patch of sky about the size of a fingernail at arms length.

HubbleUltraDeepFieldImage.jpg
 

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Because on your logic, the distances involved with the sun aren't enough to make a difference. It WILL always be above the horizon, and would always be visible. A star a billion light years away simply isn't visible to the human eye.

Stars 14bn light years away from us can't be seen as the universe is only 13.7bn years old so the light hasn't reached us yet.
 

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Because on your logic, the distances involved with the sun aren't enough to make a difference. It WILL always be above the horizon, and would always be visible. A star a billion light years away simply isn't visible to the human eye. Look through a good enough telescope and yes, you do see a blanket of light.
It simply acts like a spot light due to the fact that light can not propogate infinitely through air.
 

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Light doesn't work like that. If I lit a candle a mile away you wouldn't be able to see it.
The next time you observe the sunset notice how the sun is much hazier, diluted, and less intense than when it is overhead at noonday. This is a telltale sign that its rays are passing through a thick horizontal atmosphere, much like the light rays from a distant street lamp. The sun's intensity is so diluted when it is low in the sky that it is possible to look directly at it without squinting.
 

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This thread :lol:
You can see with your own eyes that the sun, is round.
You can see with your own eyes that the moon, is round.
You can pick up a cheap telescope and see that nearby planets - are round.

Yet the earth is flat. Of course.

The next time you observe the sunset notice how the sun is much hazier, diluted, and less intense than when it is overhead at noonday. This is a telltale sign that its rays are passing through more of the earth's rounded atmosphere. The sun's intensity is so diluted when it is low in the sky that it is possible to look directly at it without squinting.

Corrected that for you, but you were so very close to getting it right.
C- , must try harder.

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This thread :lol:
You can see with your own eyes that the sun, is round.
You can see with your own eyes that the moon, is round.
You can pick up a cheap telescope and see that nearby planets - are round.

Yet the earth is flat. Of course.



Corrected that for you, but you were so very close to getting it right.
C- , must try harder.

sunset%20diagram.gif
You can see the earth is flat with your own eyes (horizons)
You can feel isn't spinning at 1000mph (wind)
You can see that flight paths exactly match flat earth map

Yet the earth is a globe and spins at 1000mph........of course.
 

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But still doesn't disappear completely until after it passes below the horizon. Which on a flat earth isn't possible. It should never dip lower than about 15 degrees. Ever.

It might get a bit dimmer as it gets further away, in your model it would get smaller (which it doesn't) but it wouldn't disappear completely.

At 4.00 tonight it'll be sunset here. And midday in Manaus in Brazil, almost exactly at the equator. That's 5150 miles away.

Geometry tells us that the sun at that point should be 2000 miles up, 5,100 miles away. That should be 20 degrees up. Even with flat earth logic of it just not being visible because it's so far away (why is it brightly visible at a minute before sunset and gone a minute after?) it still shouldn't get anywhere near the horizon.
 

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So it speeds up and slows down through the year so it can cover more distance in 24 hours? What's driving it and controlling the speed so perfectly? Slower on a shorter circumference and faster on a longer one goes against physics, if it is natural somehow.

But even at midnight in the middle of winter, that sun is visible, because it's still above us.
 

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Please provide evidence that the earth is spinning at 1000mph on an axis.

quoting NASA is not a reply.
 

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why is water always flat?

gravity is not an answer as it is just a theory
 

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how can it be light for 24 hours in certain places on earth if the earth is spinning at 1000mph ?

do we all blink at the same time?

LOL
 

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Ever been on an aircraft at cruising height on a relatively clear day and looked out the window? Horizon with curviture right there!
You just need the full field of view, not a cropped picture.
Perhaps we need a forum fund raiser to get JT packed off onto a holiday. Where would you fancy matey? :)
Although thinking about it, that'd be on an aircraft using GPS from a satellite, so maybe they're all in on the plot?
 

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Ever been on an aircraft at cruising height on a relatively clear day and looked out the window? Horizon with curviture right there!
You just need the full field of view, not a cropped picture.
Perhaps we need a forum fund raiser to get JT packed off onto a holiday. Where would you fancy matey? :)
Although thinking about it, that'd be on an aircraft using GPS from a satellite, so maybe they're all in on the plot?
Yes everything has a curve when looked through fish eye windows in planes or camera lenses which give the curvature to your view.
 

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10 pages everyone. Congratulations all.

A thoroughly commendable achievement.
 
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