Welcome Derby County to League 1

[DearneValleyRover]

They weren't killed by HMRC though were they.

To be fair the HMRC won’t be killing Derby, their failure to pay what’s due like the rest of us have to will do that. I do t wish to see any club fold but you can’t keep allowing club owners spend beyond their means resulting in lots of local businesses folding due to not getting paid for their services.

 

[Luke Imp]

There's no way that HMRC should be negotiating a figure to be repaid otherwise everyone will be at it.

I read a month or so back that Derby were willing to let Lawrence leave for free because of his £37k/week wages and that made no sense. Why would they let him go for nothing when they'd get something for him?! Makes no sense.

They've recently borrowed more money off MSD to cover the admin costs, another £1.5m or so.

 

[DearneValleyRover]

There's no way that HMRC should be negotiating a figure to be repaid otherwise everyone will be at it.

I read a month or so back that Derby were willing to let Lawrence leave for free because of his £37k/week wages and that made no sense. Why would they let him go for nothing when they'd get something for him?! Makes no sense.

They've recently borrowed more money off MSD to cover the admin costs, another £1.5m or so.

The letting him go for free is because of his wages, he isn’t worth 37k a week and nobody is going to pay a fee and take that wage on as well

 

[Luke Imp]

Didn't realise he was out of contract in the summer as well.

 

[Bartonyellow]

Let’s be honest, this will not be the last time it happens. Another club gambling on promotion to the premier league and it failing. If they had won the play off final then we would be talking
About Aston Villa.

 

[PuB]

There’s absolutely no doubt that it would be Villa had they not been promoted, the gamble is huge, but I don’t know how you stop it from happening.

 

[SF_]

The absolute worst part of administration other than the innocent staffers that lost their jobs was the scavenging of players for fees amounting to less than 10% of their normal value. Derby fans are set to experience this in January and I don't envy them one bit. It's absolutely horrendous, especially when they are your own academy products.



They won't get £10m for all of them combined let alone one of them.

Yeah probably, some really good prospects in that Derby squad who will end up benching it at the likes of Watford & Bournemouth.

How much did you lose Gerhardt for?

 

[Bartonyellow]

There’s absolutely no doubt that it would be Villa had they not been promoted, the gamble is huge, but I don’t know how you stop it from happening.

FFP is suppose to help, but in reality it does not stop a club gambling shit or bust with their finances even with the ffp rules.
I don’t think you can stop it. It’s endemic in the game. Fans demand success and managers and players are moved on too quick which costs a fortune.
I bet Bradford are still paying off carbone…

 

[SF_]

The worst was Bournemouth paying a pitiful £4.75m for absolutely taking the piss out of FFP.

 

[SMH]

Yeah probably, some really good prospects in that Derby squad who will end up benching it at the likes of Watford & Bournemouth.

How much did you lose Gerhardt for?

£700k up front, rises to £1.6m total if he triggers all the add on clauses. Thanks for reminding me!

 

[DearneValleyRover]

If you break ffp it should be an instant relegation that would stop it none of this possible point deduction or fines. If you do it a second time then you lose your golden share, it’s the only way things will change and that will only happen if the decision is taken away from the EFL.

 

[91SPP]

I believe this thread was made a touch too early, it's just as likely as being relegated to League One that Derby County won't be an entity anymore following this season - if we even make it to the end of the season.

I, like most, just want it to be confirmed one way or another. As long as there is another team born in Derby then I will continue to go to games as I have done since I was a kid - Premier League, Championship, League One, Midlands Counties- it really doesn't matter to myself.

At the end of the day, it's a team/city you have an affiliation for playing a game of football. I can assume no one on this thread goes to games because of the sheer quality of players on show. They come-and-go, teams are recycled every 5 years. If you get a good player, a team comes along to take them. If you get a bad player, he's eventually moved on. The average ones stick around the longest. When you strip it back and it's just a game of football, it really doesn't matter too much.

All that being said, I would like to see us get taken over and companies not have to lose out on money due to Mel Morris.

 

[DearneValleyRover]

I don’t believe any genuine fan wants to see Derby go out of business but it does highlight the need for more stringent punishment to stop other clubs doing the same as your current owner. I’m sure there are a minimum of 5 other clubs in the championship who have yet to be sanctioned for doing the same.

 

[Bartonyellow]

It’s almost surreal. It does not seem 5 minutes ago when they won that epic play off semi final at Leeds, and to see where they are now is tragic. They will bounce back, but not before a stint in league 1.

 

[SF_]

I believe this thread was made a touch too early, it's just as likely as being relegated to League One that Derby County won't be an entity anymore following this season - if we even make it to the end of the season.

I, like most, just want it to be confirmed one way or another. As long as there is another team born in Derby then I will continue to go to games as I have done since I was a kid - Premier League, Championship, League One, Midlands Counties- it really doesn't matter to myself.

At the end of the day, it's a team/city you have an affiliation for playing a game of football. I can assume no one on this thread goes to games because of the sheer quality of players on show. They come-and-go, teams are recycled every 5 years. If you get a good player, a team comes along to take them. If you get a bad player, he's eventually moved on. The average ones stick around the longest. When you strip it back and it's just a game of football, it really doesn't matter too much.

All that being said, I would like to see us get taken over and companies not have to lose out on money due to Mel Morris.

Great post.

If it happened to us then I'd be feel the same, and support whatever reincarnation. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

 

[WhiteRussian]

Derby doing a pretty god job of trying to make up that 21 point deficit. I'm sure they won't, especially if they get raped for their players in January but fair play to Rooney, I didn't think he had it in him.

 

[David Curries Mullet]

Great post.

If it happened to us then I'd be feel the same, and support whatever reincarnation. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

It did happen to us, and I've had as much, if not more enjoyment these last few years as we've tried to get back to the EFL. We've plateaued now, due to the ridiculous number of hobby clubs having fortunes thrown at them even at NLN level, however I'm content to have my team to watch.

 

[Luke Imp]

Derby doing a pretty god job of trying to make up that 21 point deficit. I'm sure they won't, especially if they get raped for their players in January but fair play to Rooney, I didn't think he had it in him.

The way he's got them playing seems very Gerrard like when he was in his first season at Rangers - solid defensively but not quite scoring enough. Agree though, he's doing a very good job given the circumstances, I hope that manage to get out of it tbh.

 

[SF_]

Derby doing a pretty god job of trying to make up that 21 point deficit. I'm sure they won't, especially if they get raped for their players in January but fair play to Rooney, I didn't think he had it in him.

Genuinely seems a decent manager.

They've been decent every time I've seen them this season, playing kids & grandads. They do have a very good academy.

 

[SMH]

If they pull it off it'll be an achievement within English football probably only bettered in my lifetime by Leicester winning the Prem. Feel sorry for their fans, right now they've been given genuine hope that they could actually do it, little do they know it's about to be ripped away when every playing asset not nailed down gets sold in January.

 

[masi51]

Bit like the Bolton promotion thread from last season......Started by laughing and belittling the club and ended up with Bolton promoted

This could be the same with Derby staying up.

Good luck to them. Every club in the Championship are living above there means and this needs addressing before we start to see numerous clubs fold and sooner or later they will

 

[SF_]

Like SMH says, their midfield will get absolutely raided this month and that'll put an end to their attempt at staying up.

Bird, Knight & Ebosele will surely get snapped up.

 

[GTFCfish]

Bit like the Bolton promotion thread from last season......Started by laughing and belittling the club and ended up with Bolton promoted

This could be the same with Derby staying up.

Good luck to them. Every club in the Championship are living above there means and this needs addressing before we start to see numerous clubs fold and sooner or later they will

No chance they will stay up, they are giving it a hell of a go and fair play to them for that but way too much ground for them to catch up when unable to strengthen and when very likely to be pilfered themselves in January.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Bit like the Bolton promotion thread from last season......Started by laughing and belittling the club and ended up with Bolton promoted

This could be the same with Derby staying up.

Good luck to them. Every club in the Championship are living above there means and this needs addressing before we start to see numerous clubs fold and sooner or later they will

I completely agree with your second sentence in the third paragraph, but your first sentence in that paragraph seems contradictory to your point. Why do you wish them well? I don’t wish them ill, but as I think you are implying until more of them are spending within their means a sustainable time in the championship is beyond nearly all the clubs currently in League 1.

While we can never have a completely level playing field the difference between League 1 and the Championship is artificially huge, and will only be reset when a lot of the cards holding the pack up fold.

 

[masi51]

I completely agree with your second sentence in the third paragraph, but your first sentence in that paragraph seems contradictory to your point. Why do you wish them well? I don’t wish them ill, but as I think you are implying until more of them are spending within their means a sustainable time in the championship is beyond nearly all the clubs currently in League 1.

While we can never have a completely level playing field the difference between League 1 and the Championship is artificially huge, and will only be reset when a lot of the cards holding the pack up fold.

I Wish them well as they have a long way to drop. They will have to go down to lge2 bare minimum and may lose there stadium.
I agree about the gap and your thoughts on it. Some teams are better off staying in lge1 and plodding away with mediocracy. Ipswich and Wigan have invested to get out of this league with new owners with little knowledge of the championship.......it will all end in tears

 

[GTFCfish]

Ipswich and Wigan have invested to get out of this league with new owners with little knowledge of the championship.

In the past 20 seasons Ipswich have spent 2 of them in League One and 18 of them in the Championship so I would say they have a pretty good knowledge of the Championship.

 

[masi51]

In the past 20 seasons Ipswich have spent 2 of them in League One and 18 of them in the Championship so I would say they have a pretty good knowledge of the Championship.

I would disagree the owners are American investment bankers and fair play they have invested heavy this season,but it will be loose change to what they would need if promoted.

 

[Bartonyellow]

They are not going without a fight are they..
And as long as reading keep imploding they will have a chance.
If Benitez leaves Everton then they may go for
Rooney which my scupper things for them.

 

[WhiteRussian]

They are not going without a fight are they..
And as long as reading keep imploding they will have a chance.
If Benitez leaves Everton then they may go for
Rooney which my scupper things for them.

That is a good shout. He's Everton through and through but it could be a real poison chalice for him.

 

[Luke Imp]

I'd be surprised if Everton even approached him and if he'd even consider it.

Derby is like a free hit for him at the minute, it's perfect to be learning on the job at a professional club rather than at an U23 side where most start.