Attacks in Paris + Belgium

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

It was only a matter of time until something like this was started..
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516

I'd be interested to know whether anyone has/will sign it from 1FF or whether they'd be brave enough to admit it.

Oh ffs, can't we leave this shit alone? TB has already outed himself as an appalling misogynist. This is terribly inappropriate.

 

[spireite]

Oh ffs, can't we leave this shit alone? TB has already outed himself as an appalling misogynist. This is terribly inappropriate.

What? Where?

 

[Freakyteeth]

 

[spireite]

Video of terrorists arriving at the Bataclan

 

[Dave-Vale]

All the idiots claiming this tragedy had nothing to do with refugee situation are pretty quiet now huh.

Are we?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...found-at-bataclan-theatre-identifies-attacker

I suspect that the majority of them will have been born and raised in France/Europe.

 

[Alty]

the bread winners go out, get established then send remittances home and, hopefully, bring their family along. the logic is sound

sending your family off without u to a foreign land, on a journey in which hundreds have perished, isn't making sure they're safe, is it

Your logic is sound for economic migrants. Not sure it holds for refugees though. If you and your family are being persecuted and/or genuinely fear for your lives, surely you don't head off and leave them behind??

 

[mistermagic]

everyone added a french flag to their profile pic i trust? together we can defeat hate

Fuck dat.

 

[Saddlerrad]

Oh ffs, can't we leave this shit alone? TB has already outed himself as an appalling misogynist. This is terribly inappropriate.

The posting of a countrywide petition? Am I missing something?

 

[Pagnell]

I counted my friends on Facebook who have done that. Three-quarters. As I said earlier, I'm unsure what it achieves.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Your logic is sound for economic migrants. Not sure it holds for refugees though. If you and your family are being persecuted and/or genuinely fear for your lives, surely you don't head off and leave them behind??

I wonder, had fighting-age British males fled to South America while we were fighting the Nazis in a battle to decide the fate of the nation, how would they be thought of? What would we call them? Perhaps some of the names that Syrians who stayed in Syria are calling these refugees today...

 

[Alty]

I wonder, had fighting-age British males fled to South America while we were fighting the Nazis in a battle to decide the fate of the nation, how would they be thought of? What would we call them? Perhaps some of the names that Syrians who stayed in Syria are calling these refugees today...

To be absolutely fair though, if you're a moderate Syrian in favour of a democratic society, who do you fight with? Depending on the region of Syria you're in, you might not have any organisation to actually join. You're caught between Assad loyalists and ISIS. I can see how people leave out of a mixture of fear and the feeling of total impotence.

The problem is that the rest of Europe have encouraged everyone, irrespective of what we know about them, to rock up and claim refuge. Idiotic policy.

 

[The Southbank]

I hav'nt signed it.

Thankfully, Aber, some of us have brains and aren't racist idiots.

 

[Saddlerrad]

Thankfully, Aber, some of us have brains and aren't racist idiots.

Not sure whether that's aimed at me, but just for clarity, when I load up the page it still asks me to sign the petition. They track devices and IP's so anyone that's signed it can't load it up and do so again.

Just for proof.

As I said before and I'll say it again. This was shared on Facebook, about 10 people had shared or commented on it that were my friends, the reaction was mixed so I asked people in here what they thought given that's it s the most in detailed discussion I have easy access too.

 

[The Southbank]

Not sure whether that's aimed at me, but just for clarity, when I load up the page it still asks me to sign the petition. They track devices and IP's so anyone that's signed it can't load it up and do so again.

Just for proof.

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As I said before and I'll say it again. This was shared on Facebook, about 10 people had shared or commented on it that were my friends, the reaction was mixed so I asked people in here what they thought given that's it s the most in detailed discussion I have easy access too.

It definitely wasn't aimed at you! Just a general comment that the petition is a load of nonsense.

 

[Pagnell]

Anyone with even a modicum of computer knowledge could overcome such restrictions and pretty much sign it as many times as they want.

Not that I'm saying you signed it of course.

 

[Abertawe]

Not everyone is a computing genius like you.

 

[Pagnell]

You don't need to be a genius to use a VPN or mac spoof.

 

[markwwfc1992]

I'm just interested in the topic and what people actually think is a worthwhile, proper response. I can form my own opinion when it comes too the actions, but I find myself challenged when it comes to actually finding a solution, or some sort of realistic and logical way of solving things.

Hence why I asked if people would sign that and if they did would they be bold enough to announce it on a forum.

Cheeky twats.

I signed it

 

[Alty]

I signed it

Congrats. You're a complete idiot.

 

[allouso]

I feel sorry for the refugees here, this is precisely what they are running away from. I know so many of them that have fled to Europe over the past couple of years, they are very well educated and are some of the nicest people I have had the pleasure of meeting. It's absolutely terrifying to hear some of their stories and you can feel the fear in their voices. Lebanon and Jordan cannot fit anymore people. Syrians have no choice but to cross to Europe now; it's either that or get persecuted.Can you imagine being put in that position?

And yet they're the ones that are going to pay the price for the shooting and any other attack because of a minority. What a horrible situation to be in.

 

[sl1k]

Syrians have no choice but to cross to Europe now; it's either that or get persecuted.Can you imagine being put in that position?

And this is the thing.

I can appreciate the point EG made, if fighting-age men flee then they've effectively failed their country and ribbon tied it for opposing forces to take. However, to think this is anything like the nazi situation would be incredibly simplistic. Like Alty mentioned, on one side you've Assad. The other, ISIS. Being caught between a rock and a hard place is a fucking understatement here. This is without even considering the opportunistic warlords who are waiting around for any ensuing power vacuum should Assad fall.

The moderates are fragmented and have very little space to maneuver, fuck knows what's on the horizon but I do know we cannot let the state of Syria disappear of the map. The ramifications would make todays middle east look like a garden of roses.

 

[allouso]

And this is the thing.

I can appreciate the point EG made, if fighting-age men flee then they've effectively failed their country and ribbon tied it for opposing forces to take. However, to think this is anything like the nazi situation would be incredibly simplistic. Like Alty mentioned, on one side you've Assad. The other, ISIS. Being caught between a rock and a hard place is a fucking understatement here. This is without even considering the opportunistic warlords who are waiting around for any ensuing power vacuum should Assad fall.

The moderates are fragmented and have very little space to maneuver, fuck knows what's on the horizon but I do know we cannot let the state of Syria disappear of the map. The ramifications would make todays middle east look like a garden of roses.

Also worth noting that, Lebanon isn't exactly a safe haven for these people. We may not have a war there but whilst going to Lebanon temporarily guarantees their safety as there isn't a conflict there (yet), most of them are forced to live as beggars or in some dreadful refugee camps. I know some people that have Masters degrees and are forced to take jobs with a 500$ salary that can barely get them through a week. We can't even take care of our own there let alone accept a massive influx of Syrians.

It really is a choice between fleeing to Europe and all the risks that come with that (lots of people have died on their way there), or stay in Syria and 'face' ISIS. Terrifying.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

And this is the thing.

I can appreciate the point EG made, if fighting-age men flee then they've effectively failed their country and ribbon tied it for opposing forces to take. However, to think this is anything like the nazi situation would be incredibly simplistic. Like Alty mentioned, on one side you've Assad. The other, ISIS. Being caught between a rock and a hard place is a fucking understatement here. This is without even considering the opportunistic warlords who are waiting around for any ensuing power vacuum should Assad fall.

The moderates are fragmented and have very little space to maneuver, fuck knows what's on the horizon but I do know we cannot let the state of Syria disappear of the map. The ramifications would make todays middle east look like a garden of roses.

syria has disappeared tho. there's no way rojava is coming back into the fold and there's no way any sunni force is taking the coast. concurrently beyond damascus and a few polite enclaves, the shiite can't expand beyond the alawite cities. syria is dead

 

[sl1k]

You're right Syria as we knew it is dead but the West need active diplomacy with Assad atleast to some capacity, which is why it's all abit fucked up after arming the rebels trying to take him out.

Both him and the Sunnis are at the frontline against ISIS, but are both just as engaged fighting each other. Now what do we do from here, is the question.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

You're right Syria as we knew it is dead but the West need active diplomacy with Assad atleast to some capacity, which is why it's all abit fucked up after arming the rebels trying to take him out.

Both him and the Sunnis are at the frontline against ISIS, but are both just as engaged fighting each other. Now what do we do from here, is the question.

we've been markedly courteous with our relations with assad. in fact the CIA's great big rebel armament programme suffered from a huge desertion rate once they informed the rebels that they were only to be armed if they promised not to attack assad. we've been concentrating mostly on the kurds. and ,considering assad's historical support of the PKK and ASALA, it's not like he has a leg to stand on when it comes down to it

 

[Stevencc]

 

[sl1k]

we've been markedly courteous with our relations with assad. in fact the CIA's great big rebel armament programme suffered from a huge desertion rate once they informed the rebels that they were only to be armed if they promised not to attack assad. we've been concentrating mostly on the kurds. and ,considering assad's historical support of the PKK and ASALA, it's not like he has a leg to stand on when it comes down to it

Then there's the ally Turkey who've no interest in a strengthened PYD and would rather ISIS run them into the ground.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

yah huh.
turkey hates assad and the kurds, neutral towards DAESH and friendly towards al qaeda
saudi and qatar hates assad and DAESH, neutral towards the kurds and friendly towards al qaeda
we hate DAESH and al qaeda, neutral towards assad and friendly towards the kurds
russia and the shiites hate al qaeda and DAESH neutral towards the kurds

 

[sl1k]

Not to mention Russia are also friendly towards Assad.

And the middle east merry go round continues. Hard to see any solution of substance come to fruition with countries who're crucial to the efforts all having non-aligned stances on diplomacy/foreign policy.

 

[G-Dragon]

but but PC idiots here are claiming it has nothing to do wit the refugee situation....