Coronavirus and League 2

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I'd like to think we were one of the 4 that voted them down. But Mr Bowler and Mr Rowlinson were on our board when the Old Pals Act was a thing, so it wouldn't surprise me if we voted to keep them in.

 

[valefan16]

I'd like to think we were one of the 4 that voted them down. But Mr Bowler and Mr Rowlinson were on our board when the Old Pals Act was a thing, so it wouldn't surprise me if we voted to keep them in.

Stevenage have essentially survived on re election !

 

[Master D]

I reckon this could make Stevenage disliked now.

 

[Topher]

So for the clubs at the top their efforts get rewarded, but at the bottom nothing? Bit lopsided that.

Also weighted PPG is a very blunt tool to resolve things. Do they not have access to data analysts to come up with a fair and more accurate algorithm? Or even just taking into consideration previous results against the teams a club has to play in its remaning fixtures.

 

[Indian Dan]

Bottom got a big reward, surely. Not being relegated.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

I cannot see for the life of me that three play off games will be played. Then what? Presumably Cheltenham.

I note that the whole of them Dresden side is in quarantine, the same could easily happen to one of the four sides.

 

[Luke Imp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261307440504516608

 

[AdamStag]

How are they all doing this meeting anyway? Some super big version of Houseparty or something haha

 

[Boletus Edulis]

I am pretty sure I read on BBC that Stevenage’s man was saying that this is merely indicative and that not binding on the EFL.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

So for the clubs at the top their efforts get rewarded, but at the bottom nothing? Bit lopsided that.

Also weighted PPG is a very blunt tool to resolve things. Do they not have access to data analysts to come up with a fair and more accurate algorithm? Or even just taking into consideration previous results against the teams a club has to play in its remaning fixtures.

Previous results would've been gravely unfair. I said to valefan16 when he proposed it a while back that we beat Morecambe 5-0 in November. Now I know we played them away in February, but they always have a habit of scabbing draws off us at their place, but the previous games method would hand them a 5-0 loss! So I couldn't see how you could do that at all.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

How are they all doing this meeting anyway? Some super big version of Houseparty or something haha

I believe it's a Zoom meeting

 

[Indian Dan]

So. Are Barrow promoted?

 

[valefan16]

So for the clubs at the top their efforts get rewarded, but at the bottom nothing? Bit lopsided that.

Also weighted PPG is a very blunt tool to resolve things. Do they not have access to data analysts to come up with a fair and more accurate algorithm? Or even just taking into consideration previous results against the teams a club has to play in its remaning fixtures.

An algorithm based on strength of opponents left and home and away would make more sense... as said Northampton had a terrible run in so from ours and Bradfords POV considering we’d played most of the top sides bar Crewe and Plymouth it seems harsh to allow us to miss out by 0.4 points or whatever it is.

Should scrap play offs top three up and keep Tranmere up (certainly if Stevenage stay up)

 

[Topher]

Previous results would've been gravely unfair. I said to valefan16 when he proposed it a while back that we beat Morecambe 5-0 in November. Now I know we played them away in February, but they always have a habit of scabbing draws off us at their place, but the previous games method would hand them a 5-0 loss! So I couldn't see how you could do that at all.

I guess the logic is that we're trying to use the results of the completed games to give a fair reflection of the table so using previous results in the calculations only makes sense, or else it's just pure extrapolation which doesn't take into account the nuances of played and remaining games.

What I'm saying is, Morecambe should have thought about that before they went and lost 5-0.

 

[Vanni]

Because?

Because Macc were in a bigger mess before play was halted and I'm convinced Boro would've stayed up at Macc's expense if play was resumed at a later date.

I'm a U's fan and I probably hate Boro more than you guys. I remember when they beat 3-1 in the first leg of the play off semis back in 2009 and their players and staff were all saying they were going to Wemberley. LOL.

But honestly, if I was the one voting today, I would have voted no relegation for Boro as well. Sad I know but relegating them lot wouldn't have been fair imo.

 

[Indian Dan]

How can anyone hate Stevenage? It’s like hating Sooty.

 

[AdamStag]

Because Macc were in a bigger mess before play was halted and I'm convinced Boro would've stayed up at Macc's expense if play was resumed at a later date.

I'm a U's fan and I probably hate Boro more than you guys. I remember when they beat 3-1 in the first leg of the play off semis back in 2009 and their players and staff were all saying they were going to Wemberley. LOL.

But honestly, if I was the one voting today, I would have voted no relegation for Boro as well. Sad I know but relegating them lot wouldn't have been fair imo.

I get it, though not sure I really agree.

Out of curiosity - and it’s not a go at you - do you think on that basis there should be no promotion?

I’m just curious on how someone could justify having promotion but not relegation

 

[Huntsman94]

An algorithm based on strength of opponents left and home and away would make more sense... as said Northampton had a terrible run in so from ours and Bradfords POV considering we’d played most of the top sides bar Crewe and Plymouth it seems harsh to allow us to miss out by 0.4 points or whatever it is.

Should scrap play offs top three up and keep Tranmere up (certainly if Stevenage stay up)

Im in favour.

Where do we sign?

In all seriousness though, if you don’t relegate Stevenage then that sets a huge precedent.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

How can anyone hate Stevenage? It’s like hating Sooty.

Fuck him, little bastard was always stitching my man Sweep up.

 

[Vanni]

I get it, though not sure I really agree.

Out of curiosity - and it’s not a go at you - do you think on that basis there should be no promotion?

I’m just curious on how someone could justify having promotion but not relegation

Yep, null and void is my preferred option, and has always been. I did change my mind for a while though and was favouring ppg
because I was thinking that Crewe and Swindon (not sure on Plymouth though tbh) had done enough to go up. That was until I remembered that nothing is won and lost in early March, as has been proven time and again.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Null and void is the most financially devastating option for the entire 92. It could genuinely cost football billions over the next five years. Granted, the vast majority of that will be at PL level. But voiding would genuinely see a scenario where Sky could rebate, renegotiate and pinch the rights at a steal. I mean there might be other takers, but they won't pay anywhere near what Sky paid for the rights as the league is in turmoil right now.

Voiding would likely mean solidarity payments get obliterated to low levels (though I do want them scrapped anyway but at this time it would devastate clubs so it's not realistic to do away with them). And those two examples are just the realistic outcomes of a void season. In the 80s we'd have voided it I accept that, but there's far too much money and TV obligations in the game for a season to be declared void. There are probably other more individual cases too involving player contracts and clauses. What if a player scored 20 goals, but the season was declared void and the club withheld that bonus away from him? And it sets a dangerous precedent. Every fan would go to games realising there's a distinct possibility that the league or competition (S)he's watching could be voided in future if another pandemic hit us. It's just a massive can of worms we could all do without. And that's before I even get started on legal action from clubs.

Though I don't personally think this would happen, in an extreme set of circumstances, technically voiding could mean an excuse for PL clubs to push for the scrapping of the Tripartite Agreement and make it a closed shop. As the EFL would've breached it's contract first, opportunistic PL sides could genuinely take action. I don't think they would, but you never can rule opportunism out in football.

It could also go the other extreme and, when the excessive TV rebates kick in, the grazed Big 6 will jump ship to a Super League to preserve their wealth, whilst the rest of the severely wounded clubs rot in austerity for years.

I'm not saying it's a given, but you actually open up a bigger can of worms for the long term future of the game if you void a season in this current economic climate awash with cash that football finds itself in. There's no easy way of solving this, but voiding would be the worst way.

 

[Super_horns]

Probably why the FA said a season cannot just be null and voided ..

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Probably why the FA said a season cannot just be null and voided ..

Fair play to Deeney, what he said today about testing is spot on.

 

[AdamStag]

Fair play to Deeney, what he said today about testing is spot on.

He’s really quite a smart likeable person when you see his interviews, slightly like joey Barton was/is. Just obviously has a short fuse which sadly attracts more attention.

 

[Super_horns]

Credit to the Port Vale owner - admitted it was hard to miss out on the play offs but wanted to ensure the longer term future of the league.

Don't think FGR guy agreed with the decision though.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Credit to the Port Vale owner - admitted it was hard to miss out on the play offs but wanted to ensure the longer term future of the league.

Don't think FGR guy agreed with the decision though.

Notice it's all the benefactors with cash to burn who are coming across the wrong way about this.

No doubt Vince would've felt differently if FGR didn't tail off in the second half of the season...

 

[Minstermen central]

Absolute joke if Stevenage don’t get relegated won 3 games all season,Relagation should stand and this comes from a YCFC fan who would not want Harrogate being a league club.
Stevenage 100% should be relegated and EFL stinks if they get a Reprieve.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I don't think you'll find many EFL fans who say they deserve to stay up.

Worst L2 side by performance since the record setting Doncaster side of 1998. It's a scandal if they're reprieved.

 

[Camborne Gills]

It's not whether they should be relegated, it's how far down the pyramid they should go

 

[Super_horns]

I didn't rrelise Steveange had done so badly..

I doubt they'd be any better next season despite getting a reprieve.