European Union Referendum

[CEngelbrecht]

Aaand the Dutch, too.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ponse-to-the-sun-backing-brexit-a7084896.html

"Britain, hello, this is your neighbour calling. Please do not leave us.
Of course, there will always be a Great Britain, anchored only 20 miles from the continent.
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, we feel at ease in your amazing country.
Since our King William III (of Orange) married your Queen Mary II (of England), we have been related anyway.
Nobody in Europe appreciates your culture more than we do. The Beatles, Bridget Jones, One Direction, EastEnders, Brideshead Revisited fame, we love it all. Many of us know Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch by heart.
We admire your stiff upper lip. And every year we remember, with the greatest respect, all those who have fallen to liberate our country."

 

[mowgli]

a record 21 point lead wow

Where did you see that,got a link?

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

top of the page mate

 

[silkyman]

Well, this is the sort of shit that Brexit are resorting to.

https://twitter.com/shoaibmkhan/status/743760440094658560

 

[CEngelbrecht]

If the UK leaves the EU now, all of World War II would've been for nothing.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

lol. will us leaving lead to a genocide in europe?

 

[CEngelbrecht]

lol. will us leaving lead to a genocide in europe?

You'd get a lot more ME immigrants, at least. Weird, 'cause that's what you're trying to run away from.

From Danish newspaper article "Better a flawed EU than no EU."

"It's a human response against incoming threats - real or imagined - to seek shelter behind some kind of border, where you think the threat cannot reach you - behind a fence in a nation or indeed even on a continent. The size of this refuge can vary to the extent of the ratio of the threat versus the character and protective capacity of the refuge. Though sometimes it's hard to see any possible connection between them at all. In one American contingency film from the Cold War era, showing how people should react in case of a nuclear war, it was advised to put a blanket over your head and throw yourself under the nearest bed or table.
Next week the British is to decide whether to leave or stay in the EU. And some of the arguments presented for leaving are about as good as a Cold War film's advice to throw yourself under the bed."

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

look i'm with remain but your ridiculous comments aren't helping

 

[CEngelbrecht]

look i'm with remain but your ridiculous comments aren't helping

Look, you would agree, that right now Brussels have the capacity of dividing all these migrants (that no one wants) amongst the member countries, including the UK, right? If you check that map a couple of pages back, you have had it good so far, seriously; it's Germany taking the real toll. What the fuck are people chastizing Merkel for?
Leave EU now, and nothing political can keep people out of the UK anymore, and the UK's even more attractive to these people than Germany or Sweden. Then it's not sinking fishing boats at Greek islands or lorries on a Hungarian highway. Then it's container ships landing in the Docklands.

 

[Alty]

You'd get a lot more ME immigrants, at least. Weird, 'cause that's what you're trying to run away from.

From Danish newspaper article "Better a flawed EU than no EU."

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No it wouldn't.

What newspaper was that from? The Danes are too bright to be reading nonsense like that, surely? The arguments for Brexit are really quite straightforward. The main two are that you cannot have democratic control of your own country all the while you're in the EU and you can't ensure immigration is kept to a sustainable level either.

The Commission is the only body with the power to initiate legislation and it's entirely unelected, while the Council continues to hold meetings in secret with the minutes never published.

An EU with such stark differences in living standards will inevitably see huge influxes of (predominantly) low-skilled workers from the poorer countries to richer ones. The wealthier countries then struggle with infrastructure and cultural assimilation, while the less wealthy ones suffer a damaging demographic shift as their young people leave in droves (the Polish people in particular are getting very concerned about this).

Unfortunately I still think Remain are going to win this thanks to a last minute monumental scare story and too many undecideds going for the status quo because they think it's safer. But it's going to be bloody close.

 

[Alty]

Look, you would agree, that right now Brussels have the capacity of dividing all these migrants (that no one wants) amongst the member countries, including the UK, right? If you check that map a couple of pages back, you have had it good so far, seriously; it's Germany taking the real toll. What the fuck are people chastizing Merkel for?
Leave EU now, and nothing political can keep people out of the UK anymore, and the UK's even more attractive to these people than Germany or Sweden. Then it's not sinking fishing boats at Greek islands or lorries on a Hungarian highway. Then it's container ships landing in the Docklands.

What the fucking hell are you talking about? Nobody can force the UK to take migrants if we're outside the EU.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

we don't share a land border with refugee states if we don't want em and we ain't in the eu they don't get here legally

 

[CEngelbrecht]

What the fucking hell are you talking about? Nobody can force the UK to take migrants if we're outside the EU.

That's what Brussels have been doing. And you don't even acknowledge it. That is what is so fucking stupid here.

No it wouldn't.

What newspaper was that from? The Danes are too bright to be reading nonsense like that, surely? The arguments for Brexit are really quite straightforward. The main two are that you cannot have democratic control of your own country all the while you're in the EU and you can't ensure immigration is kept to a sustainable level either.

The article title is a link. It's from the paper Information, somewhat a Danish equivalent to The Washington Post.

Unfortunately I still think Remain are going to win this thanks to a last minute monumental scare story and too many undecideds going for the status quo because they think it's safer. But it's going to be bloody close.

Please don't leave us. Not now. It will bring smiles to the faces of all the wrong people. Please don't see it as a defeat, if you remain.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

how about u stop telling us what to do this is our decision if we want to monstrously fuck up our country that's on us

 

[CEngelbrecht]

how about u stop telling us what to do this is our decision if we want to monstrously fuck up our country that's on us

I have a rectum, I have an opinion, don'I? Do you have an opinion on Donald Trump?
And I'm not ordering anyone around here, am I? I'm just asking you lot to not make the wrong choice just because you want to piss off the wrong politicians. Please piss off the right politicians instead.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Maybe I should just head for the Antipodes, while I can. Cassandra syndrome, my ass.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

What the fuck have you been taking dude? You're basically the only one posting in here, and you honestly look like you've lost your marbles. We get it. You don't want us to leave. A lot of us do want to leave (including myself), and all of this whining in here isn't going to stop that, if anything it'll make people want to fuck off more. Not to say as you'd swing anyone on here's votes through the nonsense you've been spouting, mind you.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

What the fuck have you been taking dude?

Just history books and stuff. Machiavelli's "The Prince." News outlets. Wrangham & Peterson's "Demonic Males."

You're basically the only one posting in here, and you honestly look like you've lost your marbles. We get it. You don't want us to leave. A lot of us do want to leave (including myself), and all of this whining in here isn't going to stop that, if anything it'll make people want to fuck off more. Not to say as you'd swing anyone on here's votes through the nonsense you've been spouting, mind you.

Then I guess I'm just venting. And you know what? I know you're right, I can't do anything about this.

 

[mowgli]

The referendum is none of your business so jog on Why put a pic of Churchill up? He would hate what is happening to our once great country now,it was down to him that The Germans didn't invade England and we kept our way of life which is rapidly being eroded while we are in The EU.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Yep, it was all down to Churchill...

 

[JaseTheVillain]

He did help, if we stayed under Chamberlain we'd have lost the war imo. Of course we'll never know if that's true or not.

 

[SUTSS]

The referendum is none of your business so jog on Why put a pic of Churchill up? He would hate what is happening to our once great country now,it was down to him that The Germans didn't invade England and we kept our way of life which is rapidly being eroded while we are in The EU.

Not that it's really relevant but Churchill was very pro-European and certainly wasn't the little Englander that so many try to portray him as. "We must build a kind of United States of Europe." are his own words. Sure he saw Britain standing apart with a stronger Commonwealth but with that falling apart he is far more likely to be pro-EU than anti I reckon.

 

[blade1889]

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

God bless headline writers.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Mr Winston Churchill speaking in Zurich, 19th September 1946.

http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html (transcript)

Excerpt:

Indeed, but for the fact that the great Republic across the Atlantic Ocean has at length realised that the ruin or enslavement of Europe would involve their own fate as well, and has stretched out hands of succour and guidance, the Dark Ages would have returned in all their cruelty and squalor.
They may still return.
Yet all the while there is a remedy which, if it were generally and spontaneously adopted, would as if by a miracle transform the whole scene, and would in a few years make all Europe, or the greater part of it, as free and as happy as Switzerland is today.
What is this sovereign remedy?
It is to re-create the European Family, or as much of it as we can, and provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom.
We must build a kind of United States of Europe.
In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living.
[...]
There is also that immense body of doctrine and procedure, which was brought into being amid high hopes after the First World War, as the League of Nations.
The League of Nations did not fail because of its principles or conceptions. It failed because these principles were deserted by those States who had brought it into being. It failed because the Governments of those days feared to face the facts and act while time remained. This disaster must not be repeated. There is, therefore, much knowledge and material with which to build; and also bitter dear-bought experience.
[...]
In order that this should be accomplished, there must be an act of faith in which millions of families speaking many languages must consciously take part.
[...]
Is there any need for further floods of agony?
Is it the only lesson of history that mankind is unteachable?
Let there be justice, mercy and freedom.
The peoples have only to will it, and all will achieve their hearts' desire.
[...]
If we are to form the United States of Europe or whatever name or form it may take, we must begin now.

Consider his original context, but it might work on the long stretch. In many things, it already has.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

The referendum is none of your business so jog on

What are you on about, none of my business???

 

[Gashead]

Mail on Sunday going for Remain tomorrow apparently, that'll confuse the readership

 

[SUTSS]

Polls today showing some slight movement back to Remain. Looking like a very similar polling pattern to the Indy Ref. Still looks to be really tight though.

 

[Gashead]

Polls today showing some slight movement back to Remain. Looking like a very similar polling pattern to the Indy Ref. Still looks to be really tight though.

If the likes of the Mail are backing Remain then its going one way IMO