Is it time for a 'Managerial Merry go round' thread?

[Si Robin]

The issues are not solely down to him, but he will have to carry the can.

Even when we've been shocking before, we've managed to look like scoring a goal. We've played one good game this season and we managed to lose it 2-0.

If it's time up - and it really looks like it is - then I'll be gutted for Wade because he's had an awfully tough job. He's a great coach, a decent head coach when working with a DOF, but he's not a manager and he was forced to be that this summer.

 

[CTFCfan99]

Wade Elliott has now been sacked. Best wishes to him, good guy and gave us a great season last year but it's time for a change.

 

[Si Robin]

Couldn't agree more.

He won't get half the credit he deserves for last season, but it has gone as wrong as it possibly could this season and he's clearly out of ideas.

My wishlist of one - Darrell Clarke. I won't be heading to the bookies just yet though.

 

[HutchECFC]

I hear Paul Tisdale is free...

 

[leedsvaliant]

Couldn't agree more.

He won't get half the credit he deserves for last season, but it has gone as wrong as it possibly could this season and he's clearly out of ideas.

My wishlist of one - Darrell Clarke. I won't be heading to the bookies just yet though.

I mean, he did well towards the end of last season but we were utter shite and finished only 5 points behind you. It's not a huge achievement. I could understand if he'd got you a top half finish.

Realistically, a lot of people had you down as a bottom 3 club this season, after losing comfortably your best player. I think it's just the manner of the defeats this time that have done for him. Absolutely appalling to have not scored a goal 8 games in.

Daryl Clarke is a good shout but I think he'll want a team with potential for promotion and growth and that's not you unfortunately.

 

[valefan16]

Tricky one this, Cheltenham were largely favourites for the drop, lost their talisman and a couple of key players from their promotion which in itself was completely against the odds in 2020/21 so was always a tall ask for him and whoever comes in now realistically. We are a much bigger club than Cheltenham and our first aim is 50 points so to compete last season was a huge achievement with clubs with multiple times the budget so it feels a harsh one.

That said scoring no goals bar one OG in the pizza cup isn’t great but does feel like whoever comes in has a huge task to keep them up.

As for DC he tends to go for the mid size clubs that are under achieving like Vale and Bristol Rovers so would be a little surprised but I guess would put him closer to his Southampton family home so you never know. Would love to see DC back in management but he has to be ready.

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

One day, I will read a post from a Vale fan that doesn't mention how massive they are.

 

[Soz]

i feel the same about cambridge posts that arent mental lies.

 

[AmberRich]

Edit: assumed this was the match thread, due to Cambridge/Vale bickering. So apologies for that!

As for Cheltenham issue, never usually nice to see someone lose a job but had to be done in this case it seems. They have plenty of time to change their season around now.

 

[valefan16]

i feel the same about cambridge posts that arent mental lies.

Not sure how “mid sized” equates to Massive!

What I mean is I would anticipate DC at somewhere like Bradford or Tranmere if that came up one where they are underachieving but could be established in league one with the right leadership.

 

[leedsvaliant]

Not sure how “mid sized” equates to Massive!

What I mean is I would anticipate DC at somewhere like Bradford or Tranmere if that came up one where they are underachieving but could be established in league one with the right leadership.

Bradford would be ideal for DC should Mark Hughes get tinned, which is looking increasingly likely. They have the fan base to sustain a Championship club.

 

[leedsvaliant]

One day, I will read a post from a Vale fan that doesn't mention how massive they are.

So, just to clarify, just because he said:

1) we're a much bigger club than Cheltenham (which is true)
2) We're a midsized club (which is also true...I think we were 13th or 14th last year in terms of average attendance and we'll probably be up to about 12th this year having lost a couple of big clubs..you can't get much more midsized in league one than that)

That equates to us as massive does it?Stop making utter shit up.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

Tricky one this, Cheltenham were largely favourites for the drop, lost their talisman and a couple of key players from their promotion which in itself was completely against the odds in 2020/21 so was always a tall ask for him and whoever comes in now realistically. We are a much bigger club than Cheltenham and our first aim is 50 points so to compete last season was a huge achievement with clubs with multiple times the budget so it feels a harsh one.

That said scoring no goals bar one OG in the pizza cup isn’t great but does feel like whoever comes in has a huge task to keep them up.

As for DC he tends to go for the mid size clubs that are under achieving like Vale and Bristol Rovers so would be a little surprised but I guess would put him closer to his Southampton family home so you never know. Would love to see DC back in management but he has to be ready.

To be fair he was already here as No2 to John Ward the season we got relegated to the conference

 

[Si Robin]

Tricky one this, Cheltenham were largely favourites for the drop, lost their talisman and a couple of key players from their promotion which in itself was completely against the odds in 2020/21 so was always a tall ask for him and whoever comes in now realistically. We are a much bigger club than Cheltenham and our first aim is 50 points so to compete last season was a huge achievement with clubs with multiple times the budget so it feels a harsh one.

That said scoring no goals bar one OG in the pizza cup isn’t great but does feel like whoever comes in has a huge task to keep them up.

As for DC he tends to go for the mid size clubs that are under achieving like Vale and Bristol Rovers so would be a little surprised but I guess would put him closer to his Southampton family home so you never know. Would love to see DC back in management but he has to be ready.

The only issue I have with your post is the highlighted bit.

In what way was it completely against the odds? The season before we were just outside the automatics when Covid curtailed the season and were in fantastic form going into the run-in having won 5 and drawn 1 of the 6 games before the season was stopped. We were then great in the first leg of the playoffs before falling to bits in the second leg.

I may not have posted it on here (I'll double-check in a second) but I was certain we'd go up automatically in 20/21. A quick search shows we were 7th favourites with Sky Bet to win League 2.

EDIT: My predicted table for the 20/21 season. I think anyone who knows me on here knows that I'm not one for bigging up our chances - if anything I'm too cautious (I think you can ignore the rest of the predictions ):

2020/21 League Two Final Table Predictions

pluses.....last year lge 2 top scorer tick.......Last years top lge 2 midfielder tick......best crop of under 21s tick. Best stadium in lge tick. New progressive coach tick. Good owners tick. Minus bloody cold even in summer ! Did I miss something, are points now being awarded for how good...

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[denzel ecfc]

The only issue I have with your post is the highlighted bit.

In what way was it completely against the odds? The season before we were just outside the automatics when Covid curtailed the season and were in fantastic form going into the run-in having won 5 and drawn 1 of the 6 games before the season was stopped. We were then great in the first leg of the playoffs before falling to bits in the second leg.

I may not have posted it on here (I'll double-check in a second) but I was certain we'd go up automatically in 20/21. A quick search shows we were 7th favourites with Sky Bet to win League 2.

EDIT: My predicted table for the 20/21 season. I think anyone who knows me on here knows that I'm not one for bigging up our chances - if anything I'm too cautious (I think you can ignore the rest of the predictions ):

2020/21 League Two Final Table Predictions

pluses.....last year lge 2 top scorer tick.......Last years top lge 2 midfielder tick......best crop of under 21s tick. Best stadium in lge tick. New progressive coach tick. Good owners tick. Minus bloody cold even in summer ! Did I miss something, are points now being awarded for how good...

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Just looking at that, I can't work out why I put Notts County to go up, unless I was being ironic. Or just weird.

 

[bigfatron]

Didn’t we all get Morecambe so very wrong that season?!
I think I had them down in the bottom four too…

 

[Laker]

The only issue I have with your post is the highlighted bit.

In what way was it completely against the odds? The season before we were just outside the automatics when Covid curtailed the season and were in fantastic form going into the run-in having won 5 and drawn 1 of the 6 games before the season was stopped. We were then great in the first leg of the playoffs before falling to bits in the second leg.

I may not have posted it on here (I'll double-check in a second) but I was certain we'd go up automatically in 20/21. A quick search shows we were 7th favourites with Sky Bet to win League 2.

EDIT: My predicted table for the 20/21 season. I think anyone who knows me on here knows that I'm not one for bigging up our chances - if anything I'm too cautious (I think you can ignore the rest of the predictions ):

2020/21 League Two Final Table Predictions

pluses.....last year lge 2 top scorer tick.......Last years top lge 2 midfielder tick......best crop of under 21s tick. Best stadium in lge tick. New progressive coach tick. Good owners tick. Minus bloody cold even in summer ! Did I miss something, are points now being awarded for how good...

www.thefootballforum.net

I counted 36 predictions, 26 had us to be bottom half (with three relegated). Only one poster put us in the play offs, none automatic. We came second.

I applaud your Cheltenham prediction but no one had a clue about us.

 

[Si Robin]

Cambridge and Morecambe were the big shocks of the season that year. Our win at The Abbey was when I was convinced we wouldn't be caught at the top of the league.

 

[valefan16]

Cambridge and Morecambe were the big shocks of the season that year. Our win at The Abbey was when I was convinced we wouldn't be caught at the top of the league.

To be fair I forgot that Cheltenham had a solid season the year before, we had three very competitive games and pretty sure the last game before Covid was at Cheltenham when a couple of penalty decisions didn’t go our way which at the time was annoying but turned out to be the difference between us making and not making the play offs.

Not that anyone would ever predict what would happen and we did the right thing with Carol calling for the season to be settled how it was to stop other clubs potentially going into deeper financial trouble in big contrast to some other clubs who didn’t agree!

Cambridge and Morecambe was a big shock all be it Hoolahan was a bit of a cheat code and Mullin had the season of his life. Think even Hannant had a good season!

Weird season that behind closed doors in L2. We were flying first 10.. then won 3 in 25 which two were against the relegated pair and one oddly was 3-6 at Bolton when we could of hit double figures, then we won 6 drew 1 won 2 before losing the last two dead rubber and fans wonder why we are Jekyll and Hyde about our club. The changes Carol made that January though saved us going down potentially and set the structure in place with Flickers and DC to get us up now to a club that’s unrecognisable at least.

 

[Laker]

Cambridge and Morecambe were the big shocks of the season that year. Our win at The Abbey was when I was convinced we wouldn't be caught at the top of the league.

Yeah that was a massive win but we went into the last three games needing a win to be promoted and only got it on the final game. Don’t get me wrong, for me Cheltenham were the best side in League 2 that season but we bottled the title to be honest.

 

[CTFCfan99]

To be fair I forgot that Cheltenham had a solid season the year before, we had three very competitive games and pretty sure the last game before Covid was at Cheltenham when a couple of penalty decisions didn’t go our way which at the time was annoying but turned out to be the difference between us making and not making the play offs.

For a 0-0 that was a great game, was like a derby with both sets of fans being weirdly hostile even though we aren't rivals. And it remains the only time I've seen a ref change his mind about a penalty without the aid of VAR

 

[Si Robin]

I still maintain the ref was right to change his mind as well on that decision.

 

[valefan16]

I still maintain the ref was right to change his mind as well on that decision.

He was but the second half one we didn’t get was a stone Waller on Conlon!

That said at the time we didn’t realise the significance.

Had the cup game with Pope’s 8 minute hatrick giving us that night at the Etihad and a real decent pre Xmas game at Vale Park, ended 1-1 but was two good sides having a go.

 

[leedsvaliant]

I still maintain the ref was right to change his mind as well on that decision.

It was the correct decision but we had a definite penalty turned down second half that should have been.

The thing that annoyed me more than anything was the government kow towing to the permanently terrified and cancelling the season in the first place but that's a debate for another time.

 

[valefan16]

It was the correct decision but we had a definite penalty turned down second half that should have been.

The thing that annoyed me more than anything was the government kow towing to the permanently terrified and cancelling the season in the first place but that's a debate for another time.

At the time I was gutted as we were flying and Northampton had a horrific run in and had dropped form themselves but in the end I wouldn’t have changed Wembley 22 and being there to experience that with the rare chance to experience that success as a Vale fan.

 

[Si Robin]

Only Wycombe benefitted more than Northampton by the season ending early. The enforced break gave Northampton a chance to regroup completely.

I'm sure I'll be corrected, but if I I remember rightly they were dropping out of the playoffs like a stone.

EDIT - a quick search shows they'd lost 5 of the previous 7 going into lockdown

 

[valefan16]

Only Wycombe benefitted more than Northampton by the season ending early. The enforced break gave Northampton a chance to regroup completely.

I'm sure I'll be corrected, but if I I remember rightly they were dropping out of the playoffs like a stone.

They were and had the majority of the top 10 to play. Not sure if it was them or Colchester we unseated in the top 6 the week before then they overtook us when we drew at yours again.

 

[Marked Ox]

Only Wycombe benefitted more than Northampton by the season ending early. The enforced break gave Northampton a chance to regroup completely.

I'm sure I'll be corrected, but if I I remember rightly they were dropping out of the playoffs like a stone.

EDIT - a quick search shows they'd lost 5 of the previous 7 going into lockdown

I'd argue Rotherham benefitted more than both with automatic promotion. From memory Rotherham were dropping like a stone and, whilst this is obviously opinion, I doubt they'd have made the play offs.

 

[Si Robin]

AFC Wimbledon as well of course - maybe I'm guilty of a bit of hyperbole.

 

[leedsvaliant]

At the time I was gutted as we were flying and Northampton had a horrific run in and had dropped form themselves but in the end I wouldn’t have changed Wembley 22 and being there to experience that with the rare chance to experience that success as a Vale fan.

I'm with you there. It turned out brilliantly for us in the end.