League 2 General Chat Thread

[The_Viking_Magpie]

18000? So our game wasn’t a sell out afterall then

According to the seat planner showing seats available for purchase by home supporters on the day of the game it was a sell out at 16,638.

If no TV cameras at the stadium for the live game and less segregation you could be looking at nearer the quoted 18,000.

Unbelievable Jeff. This is not the Notts County I love and know so well.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Whoa there SOC a bit harsh that, remember he has a life away from here and for those 5 years when he stopped posting he was obviously doing something really really important in his life, and then in a bizarre twist of fate all this really really important stuff he was doing happened to finish the day after Notts play off final which was a stroke of luck for him.
Although I have it on good authority that had Notts lost that game then all this really really important stuff he was doing would’ve carried on for at least another year.
Apparently.

Nope clearly not obsessed
Set to ignore/blocked but still posting about me

Likely gives him more time to dig out multiple old posts from fans of clubs in non league and league one for the benefit of nobody else. You've gotta keep those internet feuds going somehow.

He sure is a special one this Fishy fella.

 

[Richard Cranium]

I love this forum this season

 

[jacobncfc]

https://x.com/gabsutton/status/1727300156167758216?s=46&t=QZhIP4tzxaOmjFS5bDYo_A

Short corners.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Watched it earlier this morning at work. A fantastic response from Strange Luke. He's an absolute gem.

It should immediately but sadly only temporarily shut up moaners corner who detest us not sticking the ball in the box to virtually no height whatsoever.

"It's not from open play, it's still a corner"

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

So when you have 50 passes from the corner, and your keeper touches the ball about 25 of them, and then score, is that still classed as a goal from a corner? And whats with the slagging off of Tozer?

Bloke is a moron.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

So when you have 50 passes from the corner, and your keeper touches the ball about 25 of them, and then score, is that still classed as a goal from a corner? And whats with the slagging off of Tozer?

Bloke is a moron.

If that happens it's a bloody great goal and you need to ask some serious questions of the opposition.

And to answer your question, yes. Only a moron wouldn't be able to follow that simple explanation.

 

[jacobncfc]

So when you have 50 passes from the corner, and your keeper touches the ball about 25 of them, and then score, is that still classed as a goal from a corner? And whats with the slagging off of Tozer?

Bloke is a moron.

That’s what he’s arguing, there’s a logic behind it I guess.

The Tozer thing was just a joke taken out of context. He was talking about why he thinks our disciplinary record is so weird (most fouled team in the division, fewest fouls committed, most yellows) and the new timewasting clampdown. He was basically saying that we generally get the ball back into play extremely quickly from set pieces, so when we do take a bit longer (normally bloody Nemane) it stands out more and we tend to get booked, even though it’s still quicker than waiting for the set up for a long throw or corner. He was arguing for refs to stop booking our players, not book Tozer all the time.

 

[JJ1990]

It was an interesting take from Williams. I mean, I guess he's technically correct in that any move from a corner where the ball doesn't go out of play is technically still a corner. But it's really not is it? Not by most metrics/measurements.

He is right that corners in general are over valued by fans. We are still stuck in that "get it in the mixer" mindset that realistically has a low success rate. Same with demanding players shoot from 30 yards any time they get half a yard of space. I admire him for sticking to his principles and it seems to be working for Notts.

I'd love to see what stats he's using to claim they are the best at corners. How many goals have they scored using his definition of a corner I wonder, compared to everyone else?

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Certainly is interesting and a new one for me. Technically he's right and makes a very good point until the ball is turned over the corner is still taking place. The definition used for success rates from corners is flawed from the start.

Most interesting part for me was how it doesn't allow a rest for the defence as the ball is back in play so quickly.

Corners massively overvalued, traditionally fans get very excited once a corner is awarded and usually for no real reason. That short lived thrill as a Notts fan has disappeared as we go short off almost every corner much to the annoyance of some.

I'm happy with the approach as we have so few targets by main concern with corners is defending them with so many vertically challenged players.

 

[EnglishRed]

I suppose if he is analysing phases of play and they score from the phase of play that starts from a short corner then they are effective. But as a fan the fifteen to twenty passes Inbetween probably hides the effectiveness a bit.

I remember back in our Gary Mills days seeing a stay that showed we won by far the most corners in the league but we hadn't scored from any of them (our delivery was shocking).

At least he's not going on about entrys into the box. I hate that phrase.

 

[Master D]

I get what he's saying but he does think an awful lot of himself considering he was a 5th tier manager last season.

Even his idol Pep has a load of big brutes these days and gets the ball into the box from set pieces. There's no right or wrong way to play the game.

 

[Indian Dan]

He’s certainly progressed from, after criticism from fans about yet another draw, that ‘3 draws is the same as a win’ when he was with us. He’s never lived that gem down in these here parts.

 

[jacobncfc]

Most interesting part for me was how it doesn't allow a rest for the defence as the ball is back in play so quickly.

This bit could be even more effective if the refs ever actually enforced the rules. The amount of times they let the opposition stand a yard away or run right over to block it without getting the automatic yellow it’d be if they did it for a free-kick can be very annoying.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

This bit could be even more effective if the refs ever actually enforced the rules. The amount of times they let the opposition stand a yard away or run right over to block it without getting the automatic yellow it’d be if they did it for a free-kick can be very annoying.

Yeah couldn't fair to notice that in the second half of last season, a clever tactic. One that the ref should allow once or twice but after that it was a joke. Never punished but effective

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

He’s certainly progressed from, after criticism from fans about yet another draw, that ‘3 draws is the same as a win’ when he was with us. He’s never lived that gem down in these here parts.

that's a classic. On that basis he's on a steep upward curve of progression to what he's coming out with these days.

I'm very pleased to see that he has real self confidence, if he doesn't believe in his approach then the players won't that's for sure. So far it's working wonders, clearly. He also is very (too) respectful of the opposition teams, players and managers (Ian Evatt the latest name checked) , to the media, it gets a bit much when everyone else is brilliant and do such a great job especially after we in. He hasn't shown the mardiness and bitterness to disrespectful levels that most managers display when they don't win. Plenty of examples of that type, but he has time to develop this. Right now Strange Luke is a little to nice, but never a moron as suggested earlier.

In terms of the big brutes (and our need for one or two) that also got raised at the surprisingly enlightening fans forum and again he answered it well. Big brutes who can play a bit (as he and the tactic requires) are few and far between at this level, and the ones that are in high demand and don't come cheap.

With a squad budget outside the Top 6, we probably can't compete for these sort of talented brute defenders.

 

[Indian Dan]

He certainly had the shitty end of the stick when with us for his first job - especially with Tim Sherwood looking over his shoulder.

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

I get what he's saying but he does think an awful lot of himself considering he was a 5th tier manager last season.

Even his idol Pep has a load of big brutes these days and gets the ball into the box from set pieces. There's no right or wrong way to play the game.

I don’t know how what he says there indicates he’s got a particularly higher opinion of himself than anyone else. He’s just using facts and stats to illustrate stuff that’s counterintuitive to most people.

What I thought was more interesting was his rather animated comments about refs and bookings which showed a different side to his character to the more amiable one he shows in press conferences and interviews. Obviously I completely agree with what he’s saying there as well.

 

[Son of Cod]

Great point on the corners, it's so annoying that we've been lumping it into the box all season. Posthurstously, we've started taking them short now and we've started looking more threatening from them. Even when we've had Luke Waterfall on the end of them in recent seasons you're scoring such a low amount of them throughout the season. I think they're a good pressure cooker for late in matches though, would love to see stats on how effective they are in the last 5/10 plus injury time and extra time over regular 90 mins.

He's chatting shit on the yellows for me. It's probably more likely that Notts just time waste more than most because they're doing well and thus protecting leads more than most. Just admit that for all your tippity tappitying you've got shithouse tendancies like the rest of us, Luke.

 

[Son of Cod]

Also Gab Sutton needs to get a room by himself.

 

[jacobncfc]

Great point o the corners, it's so annoying that we've been lumping it into the box all season. Posthurstously, we've started taking them short now and we've started looking more threatening from them. Even when we've had Luke Waterfall on the end of them in recent seasons you're scoring such a low amount of them throughout the season. I think they're a good pressure cooker for late in matches though, would love to see stats on how effective they are in the last 5/10 plus injury time and extra time over regular 90 mins.

He's chatting shit on the yellows for me. It's probably more likely that Notts just time waste more than most because they're doing well and thus protecting leads more than most. Just admit that for all your tippity tappitying you've got shithouse tendancies like the rest of us, Luke.

We can be, but Nemane has definitely been booked for timewasting this season when we were losing.

There's definitely something weird in it - against Bradford at the weekend we conceded three fouls in 90 minutes and got three players booked. Bradford made 12 and had none.

 

[SF_]

I like Luke Williams' response to be honest but i'm guessing he's talking about a low success rate from corners at a lower level?

13% of Premier League goals are a result of corners, and i'd imagine the Championship is similar. That's a big percentage of overall goals.

 

[Master D]

Notts' dark arts were what was needed for them to get out of the Conference, their major weakness was being too naive under Burchnall and Ardley, nice guys and that softness transmitted to the pitch. Williams does his nice guy routine but he knows every trick in the book. Pep's book.

It was a noticeable factor since he took over and it is something you have to do down there because everyone is at it. They are as crafty as anyone when it comes to gamesmanship, don't worry about that.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

That's correct , more dark arts were definitely needed as we were pretty to watch but a soft touch. Oh and that Langstaff fella and all his goals helped no end.

You appear to know Luke Williams better than any Notts supporter I know

 

[jacobncfc]

Notts' dark arts were what was needed for them to get out of the Conference, their major weakness was being too naive under Burchnall and Ardley, nice guys and that softness transmitted to the pitch. Williams does his nice guy routine but he knows every trick in the book. Pep's book.

It was a noticeable factor since he took over and it is something you have to do down there because everyone is at it. They are as crafty as anyone when it comes to gamesmanship, don't worry about that.

100%. That Chesterfield away game where we accepted their invitation for a scrap, got King sent off and nearly got Dobra sent off as well before beating them... lovely stuff.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

The Dobra flop at Half Time was beautiful sight. He just managed to get up before the second half restarted.

Oh and that touch and finish for the winner. If anyone still had any doubts about Maccas quality ..... Ended there and then.

 

[1862]

I like Luke Williams' response to be honest but i'm guessing he's talking about a low success rate from corners at a lower level?

13% of Premier League goals are a result of corners, and i'd imagine the Championship is similar. That's a big percentage of overall goals.

They are two different stats tbf, I'm not saying you're wrong as I don't know what the number is in lower leagues but success rate is based off the number of corners not the number of overall goals.

PLus you're forgetting that between Notts and Wrexham (home) games there are more goals than the Prem and Championship combined.

 

[SF_]

They are two different stats tbf, I'm not saying you're wrong as I don't know what the number is in lower leagues but success rate is based off the number of corners not the number of overall goals.

PLus you're forgetting that between Notts and Wrexham (home) games there are more goals than the Prem and Championship combined.

I guess they are, but I think it's still incorrect to say their value is overplayed. They're a key source of goals for lots of teams.

The 13% stat is an average over the last 5 Prem seasons, not 23/24 so far.

Fair play to him if he's found a good formula for short corners though. It's probably something that other teams will try to emulate.

 

[1862]

I guess they are, but I think it's still incorrect to say their value is overplayed. They're a key source of goals for lots of teams.

The 13% stat is an average over the last 5 Prem seasons, not 23/24 so far.

Fair play to him if he's found a good formula for short corners though. It's probably something that other teams will try to emulate.

I guess the other part of it is how valued they are generally, and everyone will have their opinion on that, but I'm not disagreeing.

Thought this was interesting but only focuses on a single season, for someone with such a reputation, Ward-Prowse only finding a teammate 24% of the time seems really low. https://www.premierleague.com/news/...the last 18 seasons,highest share in a decade.

 

[Optipez]

100%. That Chesterfield away game where we accepted their invitation for a scrap, got King sent off and nearly got Dobra sent off as well before beating them... lovely stuff.

Cedwyn Scott got away with murder.