Man City CEO calls for B teams to be allowed into the EFL

[dedwardp]

The problem is, many lower league chairmen will be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of making some quick cash. They don't care about the future of football or their club, as long as there's more cash in their pockets.

Ian Holloway has called it out as bullshit, the first 'neutral' voice in football to do so, I think.

Ian Holloway is a Director at Grimsby, is that neutral?

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Lmfao, okie dokie. Conversation over.

Google democratic socialism and free markets in the meantime. One is what this entire thread is about, the other is the polar opposite.

The present economic policies of the CPC have had enormous input from Chicago school loons because the Ford Foundation made a point of identitying future high fliers in the early reform period in China (1980s) and paying to have them go an drink the kool aid in Ivy League economic departments. It's not exactly common knowledge but it's all on record; a look at the actual policies they pursue would also give a big hint, but no doubt you've read three blogs in between trading your Bitcoins or whatever you poindexters do, so know better.
Any road, the obvious solution is to nationalise football and pay for it out of Devon Lad's taxes.

 

[Devon_Lad]

The present economic policies of the CPC have had enormous input from Chicago school loons because the Ford Foundation made a point of identitying future high fliers in the early reform period in China (1980s) and paying to have them go an drink the kool aid in Ivy League economic departments. It's not exactly common knowledge but it's all on record; a look at the actual policies they pursue would also give a big hint, but no doubt you've read three blogs in between trading your Bitcoins or whatever you poindexters do, so know better.
Any road, the obvious solution is to nationalise football and pay for it out of Devon Lad's taxes.

Christ, opening up to a foreign market doesn't make a country libertarian or capitalist. It doesn't stop them being communist either. North Korea has open markets with Russia and China, next you'll be telling me they're the next Singapore.

The Communist Party has to be consulted on major business decisions, Pervasive corruption at local level is being reined in at the cost of greater central party control by the CPC. All their liberalisation of the economy, Chinese leaders have been careful to keep control of the commanding heights of politics through the party’s grip on the “three Ps”: personnel, propaganda, and the People’s Liberation Army.

For example, The PLA is the party’s military, not China's. As in the Soviet Union, the Government control the media. The Chinese Communist Party dictates all senior personnel appointments in ministries and companies, universities and the media, through a shadowy and little-known body called the Organization Department. The similarities to the Soviet Union are not just close, but identical. Despite their constitution allowing for free speech, the practice isn't followed, as the judicial review provides little (NONE) review of any new modern laws post 1982 (The new ideology post Mao)

This is madly off topic but pretending, for any second, the CPC are not communists shows a severe lack of intelligence or knowledge on the CPC or Communism.

Moving swiftly on, and remaining off-topic, I'm off to Beijing next June, a 5 night stay before I head on to the dreaded train journey to Pyongyang for 5 days. If you don't see me after June, after your celebrations, wish me well. I'm flying back from rather than train, and it's the only 1 star rated airline in the world.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Christ, opening up to a foreign market doesn't make a country libertarian or capitalist. It doesn't stop them being communist either. North Korea has open markets with Russia and China, next you'll be telling me they're the next Singapore.

The Communist Party has to be consulted on major business decisions, Pervasive corruption at local level is being reined in at the cost of greater central party control by the CPC. All their liberalization of the economy, Chinese leaders have been careful to keep control of the commanding heights of politics through the party’s grip on the “three Ps”: personnel, propaganda, and the People’s Liberation Army.

For example, The PLA is the party’s military, not China's. Is in the Soviet Union, the Government control the media. The Chinese Communist Party dictates all senior personnel appointments in ministries and companies, universities and the media, through a shadowy and little-known body called the Organization Department. The similarities to the Soviet Union are not just close, but identical. Despite their constitution allowing for free speech, the practice isn't followed, as the judicial review provides little (NONE) review of any new modern 1982 laws.

This is madly off topic but pretending, for any second, the CPC are not communist shows a severe lack of intelligence or knowledge on the CPC or Communism.

Moving swiftly on, and remaining off-topic, I'm off to Beijing next June, a 5 night stay before I head on the dreaded train journey to Pyongyang for 5 days. If you don't see me after June, after your celebrations, wish me well.

They're not communist and don't even claim to have implemented communism themselves, you spud. You have just literally read two blogs.

 

[Devon_Lad]

They're not communist and don't even claim to have implemented communism themselves, you spud. You have just literally read two blogs.

Why does it matter what they call themselves? I mean, the KKK claim they're not racist, Vince calls himself not a prick, and by the way, Hitler said he was a socialist... Are you saying the above 3 are correct? Self labels are meaningless. Remainers also said they were looking after the countries interests. Pahahaha.

By the way, when do they call themselves not communist? It's literally their name. They're proud commies. Mao's red book, anyone?

Literally sat here arguing the CPC are not communist is nearly as hilarious as FGR going Vegan.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Why does it matter what they call themselves? I mean, the KKK claim they're not racist, Vince calls himself not a prick, and by the way, Hitler said he was a socialist... Are you saying the above 3 are correct? Self labels are meaningless. Remainers also said they were looking after the countries interests. Pahahaha.

By the way, when do they call themselves not communist? It's literally they're name. They're proud socialists. Mao's red book, anyone?

Literally sat here arguing the CPC are not communist is nearly as hilarious as FGR going Vegan.

You don't know what communism is either then. No one said they don't call, themselves communist, I said they don't claim to have achieved communism and never have. They've mostly claimed to be building socialism with Chinese characteristics. Do you apply this Noddy Goes To Toyland level of insight into all your opinions?

 

[Devon_Lad]

You don't know what communism is either then. No one said they don't call, themselves communist, I said they don't claim to have achieved communism and never have. They've mostly claimed to be building socialism with Chinese characteristics. Do you apply this Noddy Goes To Toyland level of insight into all your opinions?

Why do you keep claiming what someone else claims? I couldn't give a shit if a brick calls himself a spade. It doesn't make it true.

Look at the facts. They are communist. State owned media, appointed ministers and university lectures. The army belongs to the CPC not the Govt to stop an overhaul, censorship of internet. No Business decision that isn't approved by the state. Literally, they cannot be more communist if they tried. Like is your only defence 'THEey ClAim ThEy AreNt ComMuniST' your only rebuttal? Cause if that ill-educated crap works then I'll use that with Hitler next time I'm arguing with a socialist.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Hi everyone,

This is a formal notification that Exeter City are now in the Premier League. You cannot argue with me. I am speaking on behalf of Exeter City so it makes it true. Jovial said this how the world works. So, it is with deep regret I am to inform you we will no longer be playing Walsall on the weekend, we are playing Manchester City at the Etihad.

*When we play Walsall on the weekend, just forget it ever happened - it doesn't count. I said otherwise*

 

[masi51]

Hi everyone,

This is a formal notification that Exeter City are now in the Premier League. You cannot argue with me. I am speaking on behalf of Exeter City so it makes it true. Jovial said this how the world works. So, it is with deep regret I am to inform you we will no longer be playing Walsall on the weekend, we are playing Manchester City at the Etihad.

*When we play Walsall on the weekend, just forget it ever happened - it doesn't count. I said otherwise*

you need help!!!

 

[valefan16]

The Vale view:

'Real concern' - Port Vale chief exec on 'Project Big Picture' for English game

Port Vale chief executive Colin Garlick has his say on plans to change English football

www.stokesentinel.co.uk

 

[Casey]

DevonLad; just as a matter of interest have you read Das Kapital( Marx) or the Communist Party Manifesto (Mark and Engels) or The State and Revolution (Lenin).

If not I would start with the commuist party manifesto. It is a lot easier to read and gives an overview on what was intended .

Casey

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Why do you keep claiming what someone else claims? I couldn't give a shit if a brick calls himself a spade. It doesn't make it true.

Look at the facts. They are communist. State owned media, appointed ministers and university lectures. The army belongs to the CPC not the Govt to stop an overhaul, censorship of internet. No Business decision that isn't approved by the state. Literally, they cannot be more communist if they tried. Like is your only defence 'THEey ClAim ThEy AreNt ComMuniST' your only rebuttal? Cause if that ill-educated crap works then I'll use that with Hitler next time I'm arguing with a socialist.

Honestly chuckles, it's you who's got the wacky opinion; no-one outside of Alex Jones thinks they're communist either, check the FT and the Daily Telegraph if you want, probably the CIA too if they have any sense; you're hard pressed to find a grown up who argues they're socialist even.
Why does your little list make them communist, including the ones that are plain made up like about business decisions? All of those features can be found in any number of authoritarian states, except maybe the army one. Words mean something, just because you think "communist" is the ultimate bad or something doesn't stop it referring to some actual economic and political content that you won't find in China. Which is the point.
I have looked at the facts, by the way, I've lived here in China for twenty years, speak and read the language and make a living translating stuff on history, politics and business. This is an entirely silly discussion and you so wrong it's laughable, you even missed the point of telling you that not even they think they've achieved communism, but enjoy your view from a train window next week.

 

[Fedora Dale]

The Vale view:

'Real concern' - Port Vale chief exec on 'Project Big Picture' for English game

Port Vale chief executive Colin Garlick has his say on plans to change English football

www.stokesentinel.co.uk

Colin Garlick would make a far better CEO of the EFL than Rick Parry. Did an excellent job at Rochdale for a number of years and I suspect doing the same for Vale.

 

[Chris FGR]

Honestly chuckles, it's you who's got the wacky opinion; no-one outside of Alex Jones thinks they're communist either, check the FT and the Daily Telegraph if you want, probably the CIA too if they have any sense; you're hard pressed to find a grown up who argues they're socialist even.
Why does your little list make them communist, including the ones that are plain made up like about business decisions? All of those features can be found in any number of authoritarian states, except maybe the army one. Words mean something, just because you think "communist" is the ultimate bad or something doesn't stop it referring to some actual economic and political content that you won't find in China. Which is the point.
I have looked at the facts, by the way, I've lived here in China for twenty years, speak and read the language and make a living translating stuff on history, politics and business. This is an entirely silly discussion and you so wrong it's laughable, you even missed the point of telling you that not even they think they've achieved communism, but enjoy your view from a train window next week.

Look at Devon Lad making himself look a twat (again) describing someone that's actually far more qualified to talk about China ill-educated on the subject.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Ian Holloway is a Director at Grimsby, is that neutral?

Well that's even more encouraging then, because he could stand to make good money if Grimsby get PL cash but he can see through it.

 

[masi51]

Well that's even more encouraging then, because he could stand to make good money if Grimsby get PL cash but he can see through it.

As much as it looks like a Honourable thing from Ollie...I dont think he is short of a bob or two after a good 40 years in football. I dont think individually he would benefit from any money Grimsby receive.

 

[masi51]

The was a meeting today by all 72 EFL clubs. Seems Parry plan is snow balling and getting support.
The figures of 25% equates to 1.28b last financial year. Devon lad quoted figures of 500k for lge2 teams.....I think championship teams will rightly get more but if you share that pot i think you will find lge 2 teams will get several million per season.

 

[Indian Dan]

Well, it will in the EFL. But it’s not the EFL clubs who will vote for it. That’s down to the 20 PL clubs plus the FA can, and will, veto it even if it’s passed.

 

[valefan16]

Colin Garlick would make a far better CEO of the EFL than Rick Parry. Did an excellent job at Rochdale for a number of years and I suspect doing the same for Vale.

Now he’s free of Smurf he’s been able to, before he was shackled under him!

Seems a decent bloke, assume his connections at Macc probably helped get Askey to the club.

 

[masi51]

Well, it will in the EFL. But it’s not the EFL clubs who will vote for it. That’s down to the 20 PL clubs plus the FA can, and will, veto it even if it’s passed.

The Fa wont veto it.....100m backhander on the table

 

[Conker]

Here we are, relying on PL clubs to stop this happening.

I’m utterly embarrassed for the people really willing to accept the money, but let the top six dictate English football slide.

 

[Luke Imp]

Here we are, relying on PL clubs to stop this happening.

I’m utterly embarrassed for the people really willing to accept the money, but let the top six dictate English football slide.

Exactly, an absolute embarrassment. So much short sighted thinking and presumably not reading the finer details. £250m sounds all well and good but it's an advancement of future TV money, which, as I said earlier today, although an increase in percentage terms, is likely to be a smaller deal because the '6' will take 8 of their games out of the deal and therefore reduce the value of it.

And let's be right, these sort of discussions should be taking place after there's a bailout (I don't partivularly like that word) because we haven't got time for all this faffing about. The PL '6' know how desperate some EFL Club's are and are playing on it. It's so obvious, yet so many Chairman are blind to it.

It's not helpful either when people coming out of the divisional meetings are seemingly lying about the thoughts of others.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1316108473407602691

 

[The Terminator]

Ultimately you have 72 business people who's additional businesses have likely been impacted by the pandemic, offered a free lifeline to help them out and keep clubs afloat for the forseeable future, without putting their hands further into their pockets - It was always going to be favoured IMO - not that I agree with it.

I will still be amazed if the FA and PL Clubs agree to it though.

 

[Si Robin]

Fortunately, the FA appear to be taking a strong stance against it:

Our chairman Greg Clarke has written to FA Council members ahead of October meeting

Read more

www.thefa.com

 

[Super_horns]

But the FA seem to be powerless against the Premier league clubs.

 

[masi51]

But the FA seem to be powerless against the Premier league clubs.

The Fa is mainly for the national team and obviously the Fa cup, which will be boycotted by the big 6 within a couple of years.

 

[Devon_Lad]

But the FA seem to be powerless against the Premier league clubs.

FA gets final say, even if PL clubs vote for it they can say no... I believe?

 

[Super_horns]

FA gets final say, even if PL clubs vote for it they can say no... I believe?

Not sure - guess it depends if this is just a Premier league/EFL issue or one that requires a vote from the FA.

As M51 says they run the National team really and the general governance of the game.

 

[Fedora Dale]

FA gets final say, even if PL clubs vote for it they can say no... I believe?

Correct. And has the power to block clubs playing outside the country (by nominating which League winners/Cup winners qualify for European football). If the PL and EFL muck about too much, it could be the top four from the National League into the Champions League...

 

[Devon_Lad]

And thankfully the FA seem to be on the fans side from what I can see, and not on the side of chairmen trying to pocket a fast buck in the process of collapsing our footballing pyramid.