Man City CEO calls for B teams to be allowed into the EFL

[Devon_Lad]

EFL rejected £375m offer from American firm

https://twitter.com/x/status/1315873834726289413

 

[Indian Dan]

That will happen in the next ten years... World/European leagues are ultimate goals for American owners

I’ll tell you now, English football fans won’t stomach a European league for long. They’ll soon get pissed off watching Madrid, Barca and Bayern week in week out. Who could afford to go regularly to away games?

Even now I don’t bother watching the CL or even England matches. It’s boring me shitless. I’d rather watch the club I’ve invested 50 years of my life in rattling around the nether regions of the pyramid.

 

[Luke Imp]

And to add further to my post, how stupid must they think we are?

"Here's an extra 'x' amount a year and in exchange we'll chop two from the PL to pay for it, and then hand over all the power to us without it even costing us a penny."

 

[Conker]

How can they not consult the clubs is beyond me. Amateurs.

 

[Indian Dan]

The 72 clubs are the EFL - not Rick ‘PL Liverpool’ Parry. Each club ‘owns’ an equal 72th.

Whatever the outcome, there’s a seismic shift coming for English football.

 

[Luke Imp]

How can they not consult the clubs is beyond me. Amateurs.

Which is why I'm surprised no-one has called for Parry's resignation. He's done his own thing behind the back of the very Clubs he's supposed to be representing.

The EFL CEO stepping down yesterday will no doubt be as a result of that. Even alienating his own people.

 

[masi51]

No I didn't say that at all. I said that was some very real non-negotiable red lines from my standpoint.
But it is not £500k more is it. It is £15m more for Championship teams, around £4m for L1 teams and around £2m more for L2 teams. It is a proper redistribution akin to what I posted on the finance thread before.

Can i ask where did you pluck these figures from?
What i read from the proposal was each club would be given money from last season and this coming season out of the 250m Rescue fund.....Based on the last three years income and season tickets sold this season
There was no mention of the 25% future distribution as to how this would be shared out

 

[valefan16]

Can i ask where did you pluck these figures from?
What i read from the proposal was each club would be given money from last season and this coming season out of the 250m Rescue fund.....Based on the last three years income and season tickets sold this season
There was no mention of the 25% future distribution as to how this would be shared out

I am sure I read it was £100 a seat for this season (assume based on last seasons Av att?)

 

[Chris FGR]

Rick Parry must be the first chairman of the EFL to back plans that involve ditching the EFL Cup.

 

[Devon_Lad]

For the price of a short-term bribe we are being asked to hand unprecedented power for the future of the game over to a small number of foreign-owned clubs who have no long-term interest in anything but themselves. For the last decade the Glazer family have represented everything that is wrong with modern football; now we are supposed to believe Joel Glazer is one of the saviours of the game.

Instead the question should be why is anyone being blinded by the cash into thinking this deal will be anything but terrible for the lower leagues in the long-term. The fact that the only people the Guardian ('Beggars can't be choosers': football pyramid reacts to Project Big Picture) could get to speak on the record were hypocrites like Vince and MacAnthony suggests the plan doesn’t actually have as much support as we’re being led to believe. If Vince is so worried by the systemic issues in the game perhaps he should not have spent the last decade engaged in financial doping. It would also be easier to believe MacAnthony was worried about where future income is going to come from if he hadn’t been so vociferous about trying to finish last season.

 

[denzel ecfc]

People willing to sell our their club and English football so their club gets approx £500k is laughable. Anyone taking this notion seriously is an idiot.

A 250m payment package; I suspect the Championship will get £200m of that, L1 £35m and L2 £15m, so we will get around 500k with the added bonus of promotion being harder to achieve!

Someone said exactly the same thing on exeweb. Wait, it was me!

 

[masi51]

Someone said exactly the same thing on exeweb. Wait, it was me!

So basically you made it up
And Devon lad copied paste what you said.....ok

 

[denzel ecfc]

So basically you made it up
And Devon lad copied paste what you said.....ok

I was using a similar formula to how the EFL distribute Sky money.
The Championship clubs wont be happy with 2 or 3 million, they will want a substantial portion of the 250 million.

 

[dannyc5]

Devon_Lad is an absolute legend. I don’t understand why he doesn’t love this proposal, given that he has such strong libertarian values that he so passionately put forward earlier in this very thread. Surely this is right up his ideological street?

In regards to this proposal, I don’t mind lots of it. However, as others have said, it’s unacceptable that so much power will be transferred to 6 (7 really because Everton will be there at the top now) billionaires. You don’t become a billionaire by being philanthropic. Not handing them the keys is surely a red line, and I was disappointed to hear that our vice chairmen last night agrees with the proposal in its current form. In fact, I’m quite worried that seemingly no FL club official has come out against it yet.

 

[masi51]

But Barrow and Bolton have one vote each the same as say Norwich and Derby
The 250m is a payment that is to save teams and pay overheads last season and this....the 25% is what the premier league is offering going forward and that may go off whatever league you are in.

 

[masi51]

Devon_Lad is an absolute legend. I don’t understand why he doesn’t love this proposal, given that he has such strong libertarian values that he so passionately put forward earlier in this very thread. Surely this is right up his ideological street?

In regards to this proposal, I don’t mind lots of it. However, as others have said, it’s unacceptable that so much power will be transferred to 6 (7 really because Everton will be there at the top now) billionaires. You don’t become a billionaire by being philanthropic. Not handing them the keys is surely a red line, and I was disappointed to hear that our vice chairmen last night agrees with the proposal in its current form. In fact, I’m quite worried that seemingly no FL club official has come out against it yet.

You nearly got it spot on....legend leg end

 

[Devon_Lad]

Devon_Lad is an absolute legend. I don’t understand why he doesn’t love this proposal, given that he has such strong libertarian values that he so passionately put forward earlier in this very thread. Surely this is right up his ideological street?

In regards to this proposal, I don’t mind lots of it. However, as others have said, it’s unacceptable that so much power will be transferred to 6 (7 really because Everton will be there at the top now) billionaires. You don’t become a billionaire by being philanthropic. Not handing them the keys is surely a red line, and I was disappointed to hear that our vice chairmen last night agrees with the proposal in its current form. In fact, I’m quite worried that seemingly no FL club official has come out against it yet.

How exactly is bailing out businesses conservative and libertarian idealisms? As I've said - Let them go bust if they can't survive. Free markets, innit. No company or business should be given any bailout money to survive. It's exactly why this Conservative Govt cant agree a Brexit deal re state aid.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Someone said exactly the same thing on exeweb. Wait, it was me!

And spot on you were. Next time save me the job and post it on both

 

[dannyc5]

How exactly is bailing out businesses conservative and libertarian idealisms? As I've said - Let them go bust if they can't survive. Free markets, innit. No company or business should be given any bailout money to survive. It's exactly why this Conservative Govt cant agree a Brexit deal re state aid.

This proposal isn’t bailing out a business. This is a power grab in its current form. Handing over money to essentially purchase English Football. Very free market, innit.

 

[masi51]

This proposal isn’t bailing out a business. This is a power grab in its current form. Handing over money to essentially purchase English Football. Very free market, innit.

your not from the south show more class i dont want to see innit in your post even if you are mimicking Southerners

 

[Devon_Lad]

This proposal isn’t bailing out a business. This is a power grab in its current form. Handing over money to essentially purchase English Football. Very free market, innit.

It's literally bailing out football clubs that can't afford to survive. That's your CPC route not your Thatcher route.

It's the people in charge, I.E, Rick P, colluding to bailing out businesses (Bolton) that haven't worked. By destroying the market and structure for genuine businesses that have a sustainable model (ecfc)

It's exactly like the Govt bailing out any business and inserting unneeded assistance into the market. The stuff Corbyn would even raise an eyebrow at.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Devon_Lad is an absolute legend. I don’t understand why he doesn’t love this proposal, given that he has such strong libertarian values that he so passionately put forward earlier in this very thread. Surely this is right up his ideological street?

In regards to this proposal, I don’t mind lots of it. However, as others have said, it’s unacceptable that so much power will be transferred to 6 (7 really because Everton will be there at the top now) billionaires. You don’t become a billionaire by being philanthropic. Not handing them the keys is surely a red line, and I was disappointed to hear that our vice chairmen last night agrees with the proposal in its current form. In fact, I’m quite worried that seemingly no FL club official has come out against it yet.

The problem is, many lower league chairmen will be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of making some quick cash. They don't care about the future of football or their club, as long as there's more cash in their pockets.

Ian Holloway has called it out as bullshit, the first 'neutral' voice in football to do so, I think.

 

[dannyc5]

It's literally bailing out football clubs that can't afford to survive. That's your CPC route not your Thatcher route.

The bailing out is a by product. They can’t just enact their plans without having to give something in return. I don’t think John Henry is a Chinese Communist.

 

[dannyc5]

Also I’m not sure the Chinese Communist Party are particularly communist.

 

[dannyc5]

your not from the south show more class i dont want to see innit in your post even if you are mimicking Southerners

Well I thank you for recognising that glorious Crewe is the gateway to the North.

 

[Devon_Lad]

The bailing out is a by product. They can’t just enact their plans without having to give something in return. I don’t think John Henry is a Chinese Communist.

It's not a by product at all. The reason for this is because Efl club are unsustainable. So the PL, whos annual losses are £400m, are bailing them out. Rather than pay them back, as per CPC and UK Govt rates at an inflated interest rates its via a power grab.

This is the polar opposite to libertarian and Conservative ideology. I say let the sods go bust. As I've said from the beginning.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Also I’m not sure the Chinese Communist Party are particularly communist.

Lmfao, okie dokie. Conversation over.

Google democratic socialism and free markets in the meantime. One is what this entire thread is about, the other is the polar opposite.

 

[dannyc5]

It's not a by product at all. The reason for this is because Efl club are unsustainable. So the PL, whos annual losses are £400m, are bailing them out. Rather than pay them back, as per CPC and UK Govt rates at an inflated interest rates its via a power grab.

This is the polar opposite to libertarian and Conservative ideology. I say let the sods go bust. As I've said from the beginning.

No, the reason for this is the big 6 want to run English Football and have complete autocracy over how they do business. The fact lower league clubs need a bailout is a happy coincidence. It’s the perfect breeding ground for the billionaires. Business with a good business model needs funding, we buy it, we become richer. It’s not a hand out to enable all to prosper in a glorious Marx revolution.

 

[dannyc5]

Lmfao, okie dokie. Conversation over.

Google democratic socialism and free markets in the meantime. One is what this entire thread is about, the other is the polar opposite.

You’re mad. Completely mad. Billionaires embrace democratic socialism hahahahahaha. Very good.

 

[Devon_Lad]

You’re mad. Completely mad. Billionaires embrace democratic socialism hahahahahaha. Very good.

Umm. Richard Branson. George Soros. Not entirely clear on your point.

You are suggesting it is free markets and libertarianism that would see a club reject this and then be forced to accept circa 500k cash from the governing body. Are you stupid?

You either don't understand communism, socialism, free markets or these proposals.

Imagine suggesting Exeter City opposing these proposals and being forced to accept bailout money and an enforced agenda change is anything but extreme democratic socialism.

Here you are saying thats free markets.