Man City CEO calls for B teams to be allowed into the EFL

[Kenneth E End]

Andy Pilley at Fleetwood and Dale Vince at FGR are for this scheme. Nothing surprises me there considering they are the typical owner I wouldn't want at my club.

I fear a lot of clubs will see the £ signs and be taken in by this.

Lets be fair, there is a lot to be positive about with this scheme, but not at the expense of integrity.

 

[Indian Dan]

That is already happening now, i think the so called six will say take it or leave it.
No coincedance that it was published this month.....Parry will have been hatching this plan since the day he took over.

It certainly needs looking at/ negotiating, but the top six will win everything anyway for the next 20 years bar a freak season

But no matter what the Big 6 want there is still one club, one vote in place in the PL. No way will 14 vote for it. They lose 2 home games a season in revenue and increase their own chances of getting relegated.

 

[masi51]

If Leicester can win it anyone can. Their main striker is an ageing non league player ffs!

If Leicester can win it anyone can. Their main striker is an ageing non league player ffs!

A ageing non league player....You mean a player who Represented England and won major Honours
Freak seasons occur now and will after the deal is accepted/rejected
Liverpool
Man C
Chelsea
Arsenal
Man utd
Spurs
Everton
Wolves
Leicester
Newcastle
Leeds
Aston Villa
These 12 teams will win Everything for the next ten years with the deal....without the deal

 

[masi51]

But no matter what the Big 6 want there is still one club, one vote in place in the PL. No way will 14 vote for it. They lose 2 home games a season in revenue and increase their own chances of getting relegated.

Who gets a vote??
I would imagine every full shareholder [team in the EFL]

 

[The Terminator]

Andy Pilley at Fleetwood and Dale Vince at FGR are for this scheme. Nothing surprises me there considering they are the typical owner I wouldn't want at my club.

I fear a lot of clubs will see the £ signs and be taken in by this.

Lets be fair, there is a lot to be positive about with this scheme, but not at the expense of integrity.

Our owners support it as well - They're afraid that clubs are going to go bust by Christmas without any support.

As you say, if its voted through then in 5 years time when B teams are thrown on the EFL and clubs are made to take 4 U23 players from PL sides on loan for a season for example, then don't complain about selling your soul to the devil.

All this reminds me of a certain Simpsons episode:

 

[dannyc5]

Devil’s advocate. What are the alternatives? If we take at face value that a number of clubs will go bust within weeks.

 

[Devon_Lad]

You’re making yourself look quite silly, or you’re a troll, or both.

He's a troll

 

[Indian Dan]

Who gets a vote??
I would imagine every full shareholder [team in the EFL]

Obviously the PL are their own when it comes to voting for change - one vote for each club. 14 needed to make changes, but the FA have a ‘golden share’ whereby they can veto any changes even if the majority vote in favour.

 

[Devon_Lad]

People willing to sell our their club and English football so their club gets approx £500k is laughable. Anyone taking this notion seriously is an idiot.

A 250m payment package; I suspect the Championship will get £200m of that, L1 £35m and L2 £15m, so we will get around 500k with the added bonus of promotion being harder to achieve!

 

[Indian Dan]

Devil’s advocate. What are the alternatives? If we take at face value that a number of clubs will go bust within weeks.

That, of course, is the question that needs answering. I’m sure all EFL clubs don’t expect getting bailed out and not conceding to some sort of change. Of course, not all EFL clubs would require a bailout.

Personally, get the PL to hand over a one-off £250m, the EFL agree to either scrap or reformat the League Cup. Either that or put a levy on PL transfers to distribute to the EFL on an ongoing basis.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Devil’s advocate. What are the alternatives? If we take at face value that a number of clubs will go bust within weeks.

If clubs have been run poorly let them go bust, and a new team will emerge with hopefully a better business model.

 

[Indian Dan]

If clubs have been run poorly let them go bust, and a new team will emerge with hopefully a better business model.

That’s bollocks. There are plenty of clubs that are well run but haven’t got the cash to survive. Sure, there are a few basket case clubs but your holier than thou attitude stinks just because you’ve cashed in on a couple of players. That won’t always be the case.

 

[masi51]

Our club are awaiting more proposals but agree money needs to be more evenly distributed between the leagues.
They welcome dialouge

 

[Devon_Lad]

That’s bollocks. There are plenty of clubs that are well run but haven’t got the cash to survive. Sure, there are a few basket case clubs but your holier than thou attitude stinks just because you’ve cashed in on a couple of players. That won’t always be the case.

There is no alternative, unless you want to collapse the entire footballing pyramid. These things happen, if clubs go bust then clubs go bust. It's a much better scenario than B teams and all this other bollox being spouted.

I'd rather Exeter City FC went bust than the entire structure of football was ruined. If B teams come into force, the entire league will go bust anyway. How are teams going to survive with attendances of around 500 fans when Swindon Town play Burnley's B team? The only way it'll survive is continued handouts from the PL. Ridiculous notion.

Let clubs go bust if they can't survive, like any business. Football is no exception. Phoenix clubs will emerge and AFC Exeter City will be back in the league eventually.

 

[masi51]

That’s bollocks. There are plenty of clubs that are well run but haven’t got the cash to survive. Sure, there are a few basket case clubs but your holier than thou attitude stinks just because you’ve cashed in on a couple of players. That won’t always be the case.

I dont think Exeter are in any way immune to the pandemic
They have not recruited well this pre season....
Randall will be off this week
The watkins money was used to soak last seasons shortfall

 

[dannyc5]

If these proposals were voted in, where would it leave the FA? Would they not have to approve B teams, if that was put forward in say 5 years time? Or is there something in these proposals that casts them to one side?

 

[Devon_Lad]

I dont think Exeter are in any way immune to the pandemic
They have not recruited well this pre season....
Randall will be off this week
The watkins money was used to soak last seasons shortfall

1) We have plenty of money in the bank
2) We made a large profit last season without the Watkins money - What shortfall are you talking about?
3) We haven't even received the Watkins money yet, it's coming in installments.
4) We want Randell to leave.

 

[Devon_Lad]

If these proposals were voted in, where would it leave the FA? Would they not have to approve B teams, if that was put forward in say 5 years time? Or is there something in these proposals that casts them to one side?

Yes, the FA can reject it even if it's voted in

 

[masi51]

1) We have plenty of money in the bank
2) We made a large profit last season without the Watkins money - What shortfall are you talking about?
3) We haven't even received the Watkins money yet, it's coming in installments.
4) We want Randell to leave.

I cannot disagree with number one as i have no clue,yet your chairman publicly stated you did not have finance to sign any more players in July
2 you say you made a profit last season.....20 home games with app 4.500 coming through the gate
3 Then you do need money this coming season fact
4 why? you will get about 200k and he may save you from relegation

 

[Kenneth E End]

People willing to sell our their club and English football so their club gets approx £500k is laughable. Anyone taking this notion seriously is an idiot.

I would take this seriously - as I say, there are a lot of positives, but clearly there are a lot of real red lines that cannot be crossed.

 

[Chris FGR]

Devil’s advocate. What are the alternatives? If we take at face value that a number of clubs will go bust within weeks.

Negotiate.

 

[Devon_Lad]

I cannot disagree with number one as i have no clue,yet your chairman publicly stated you did not have finance to sign any more players in July
2 you say you made a profit last season.....20 home games with app 4.500 coming through the gate
3 Then you do need money this coming season fact
4 why? you will get about 200k and he may save you from relegation

1. We don't have money to waste on players, we have money in the bank. Just because you have money in the bank, during a pandemic, doesn't mean you have money available to splash out on players.
2. Do you really want a list of all of our player sales in the last financial year, plus the add ons we've been receiving?
3. We don't need money this coming season. Just because you say 'fact', doesn't make it one. We are financially stable and coping just fine.
4. Because he's not performing, his crosses have been average at best. Cash in while we can, this is his last season on his contract and we have academy players who are just as good we can use.

You're a troll so I'm not going to reply to you again. You have no clue about your own team, let alone other clubs.

 

[Devon_Lad]

I would take this seriously - as I say, there are a lot of positives, but clearly there are a lot of real red lines that cannot be crossed.

You think £500k is acceptable to destroy the football pyramid and forever receive lower gate money when teams come up against some random B team? Come on mate, a bit of realism here. Even if the figure was 10x that it wouldn't be worth it.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Negotiate.

For example, exactly the same proposal but with the stuff about the voting removed - that 'could' get 14 votes from the other Premier League teams, and everyone's happy (except Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs).

 

[masi51]

1. We don't have money to waste on players, we have money in the bank. Just because you have money in the bank, during a pandemic, doesn't mean you have money available to splash out on players.
2. Do you really want a list of all of our player sales in the last financial year, plus the add ons we've been receiving?
3. We don't need money this coming season. Just because you say 'fact', doesn't make it one. We are financially stable and coping just fine.
4. Because he's not performing, his crosses have been average at best. Cash in while we can, this is his last season on his contract and we have academy players who are just as good we can use.

You're a troll so I'm not going to reply to you again. You have no clue about your own team, let alone other clubs.

you wont reply because
1 you have nothing constructive to say
2 you did not know about Dick Pym or Cliff Bastin
3 You go to the football looking for a fight and not to watch the game
4
5 your knowledge of football in general is number 4

 

[Indian Dan]

How about 14 clubs resign from the PL and join the EFL.

Leave the greedy 6 bastards to sort that out themselves

 

[masi51]

How about 14 clubs resign from the PL and join the EFL.

Leave the greedy 6 bastards to sort that out themselves

That will happen in the next ten years... World/European leagues are ultimate goals for American owners

 

[Devon_Lad]

How about 14 clubs resign from the PL and join the EFL.

Leave the greedy 6 bastards to sort that out themselves

A European League with the big 6 is something being suggested, and something that'll have devastating effects on our footballing pyramid as well, that must also be met with fierce opposition. The Broadcasters would fall over themselves offering TV rights even bigger than the PL have now, The rest of the PL that doesn't make the European Super League will be offered far inferior terms and then the EFL would be offered an even a worse deal.

League 2 perhaps would get a two minute mention after the weather if some teams goalkeeper managed to score a hat trick or one of their players had been pinched for tuppence by one of the big boys. (That’s assuming of course there are any left to pinch.) Definitely something not to look forward to.

 

[Luke Imp]

I've not read all this thread yet, so I'm probably repeating bits.

Are there some good points in the plan? Yes
Are there some bad points in the plan? Yes
Should the plan have been made public as it has done before people have seen it? No
Are the EFL likely to get the good points without accepting the bad points? No.
Are we surprised that Parry, ex-Liverpool CEO, think a plan in part from Liverpool is a good idea? No
Are we surprised that Parry, one of the driving forces behind the PL, is comfortable with all the power in a select group of Club's? No
Are we surprised that it's two American ownership Club's who're at the forefront of this? No
Do we want the Glazer's and Henry to effectively run English football? No.
Are the PL sides actually paying for their additional power? No, because the money for the EFL comes from cutting the PL from 20 to 18.

There are all sorts of other questions associated with it.

It's a power grab, and just like the PL and their streaming prices, it shows further greed at the top of the game, which we already know was there.

The biggest concern for me though is that it's two American owned Club's who're at the forefront of this. I've read a few articles about Fenway and the Glazers and how they go about their business within American sport and they're desperate to change the way the PL is done. Some of the stuff the Glazers have done commercially with Manchester United have worked but I'd be very concerned how it'll pan out for everyone if the Americans get their way.

The 25% net share of future PL TV income is a joke. Now that sounds great, but if the bigger clubs are allowed 8(?) of their games to be sold by the Club then that obviously lowers the value of the TV deal so 25% sounds great percentage wise, but it's an unknown figure until new deals are agreed.

Whilst it's presented as a plan to save the EFL, it's in stealth mode and you can guarantee that in 5-10 years they'll be all sorts of change. I'm gobsmacked that some, Vince at FGR and Piley at Fleetwood can't see past the pound signs and are so quick to offer their support to it but maybe that's because their relatively newbies to the EFL and don't fully understand exactly what it'll mean for the EFL and football generally.

I'm also surprised there aren't more calls for Parry's resignation. This feels as though he's gone behind the back of EFL Clubs and jumped into bed with Liverpool and Man Utd. He'll argue that it's PL and EFL talks and he's taken the initiative but the PL have condemned the proposal as well.

The only positive out of this is that it's created conversation and a bouncing of ideas around.

The sooner some form of individual governance comes in to oversee the FA, PL and EFL the better. I'm not a massive fan of Club representatives on the EFL Board either if I'm honest, I think it needs impartial people on it.

EDIT - What I'll also add is that they'll be counter offers etc, this is just the start of negotiating something.

 

[Kenneth E End]

You think £500k is acceptable to destroy the football pyramid and forever receive lower gate money when teams come up against some random B team? Come on mate, a bit of realism here. Even if the figure was 10x that it wouldn't be worth it.

No I didn't say that at all. I said that was some very real non-negotiable red lines from my standpoint.
But it is not £500k more is it. It is £15m more for Championship teams, around £4m for L1 teams and around £2m more for L2 teams. It is a proper redistribution akin to what I posted on the finance thread before.